Other aliens in the Alien and Predator universe

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The Alien Predator

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 29, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 29, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 29, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 28, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
I think he is talking about the skull at 1:38.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUViwcxut-A

Speaking of Concrete Jungle, in the weapons selection, the very first Speargun is fashioned from a skull of a now extinct animal. That was quite an interesting bit of lore.
Thank you Guan Thwei
Predator concrete jungle brings tear to my eyes it is the only Predator game(not including arcade)and you get to feel like the cityhunter when will we get an other Predator game

You are welcome, my friend.  :)


I really loved watching the Concrete Jungle walkthrough done by AcidGlow, I watched it twice. They should make another Predator game.

THE CITY HUNTER

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 29, 2015, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 29, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 29, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 29, 2015, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 28, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
I think he is talking about the skull at 1:38.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUViwcxut-A

Speaking of Concrete Jungle, in the weapons selection, the very first Speargun is fashioned from a skull of a now extinct animal. That was quite an interesting bit of lore.
Thank you Guan Thwei
Predator concrete jungle brings tear to my eyes it is the only Predator game(not including arcade)and you get to feel like the cityhunter when will we get an other Predator game

You are welcome, my friend.  :)


I really loved watching the Concrete Jungle walkthrough done by AcidGlow, I watched it twice. They should make another Predator game.
Definitely i live in oxford and i hope to join Rebillion 

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

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Like Hicks, I don't find an empty galaxy the least bit frightening, any more than I'd find an empty desert unsettling. It's just an absence. Something to fill, potentially colonise, but not to fear.

To me, the parts of 'Alien' which were most memorable, setting-wise, were to do with the derelict and egg chamber. All that stuff about ancient tombs once made by a civilisation which wasn't even human... There is a great piece of Ron Cobb concept art of an astronaut shining a torch around such a room and, while unused, it's stayed with me to the present day, every bit as much as the unused Giger hieroglyphics have. That stuff is eerie because it echoes of old 'here be dragons' and 'where even angels fear to tread' proverbs.

Is the continuity devoid of intelligent life? No. Arcturians are canon and even Rico Ross recently opened up in a recent interview that some of that dialogue was ad libbed with a sexually attractive species in mind, not mere human colonists (which wouldn't really fit with the mention of 'male', as opposed to a more believably informal 'guy').

I don't want them explored in novels, however. Those should be left for the films to examine, for canonical reasons.

So, we then have to ask ourselves whether the continuity should be represented as largely devoid of intelligent life. This is a more interesting and relevant question.

While I can't personally accept them as canon, the recent novels seemed to at least get the balance right, so far as I'm concerned. Humans keep mostly to their own affairs, but we've encountered other races - plural. The galaxy is f**king huge - and that's assuming some other species hasn't got access to technology which allows them to traverse galaxies as easily as individual planetary systems!

For the sake of realism, alone, I found 'Babylon 5' and, especially, 'Farscape' as highly believable, in terms of species and cultural diversity. Would this necessarily be reflected in 'Alien' continuity? Well, we've only glimpsed a small fraction of it, haven't we? A disused prison and secret military research ship aren't exactly likely places for other species to populate. Hadley's Hope? It was only just starting off. Gateway Station? Small - and orbiting directly outside of Earth. Colonial Marines? Well, they'd be Earth-centric, too.

So, yes, it very well could be that humans freely intermingle with other species. We just haven't really been anywhere that would be appropriate to reflect on screen.

What about dialogue? In this sense, we need to look at context. Aside from the mention of Arcturians, there are two prime candidates for this.

* Ferro commenting to Vasquez about who Ripley is.

"Apparently, she saw an alien once."

There's a vague hint of sarcasm in her tone. Ambiguous, but it strikes me that the implied meaning of it is that a civilian who's seen another species is not all that special. Especially when Hudson immediately chimes in with his unimpressed whoopy-f**kin'-doo moment.

Personally, I find it easier to interpret that scene as Ferro and Hudson not finding Ripley's experience the least bit unusual. It's the nature of what she's faced which, later on, proves to be unique. Not the fact that she's encountered another species.

* Dallas speaking about the signal.

To me, the context of this is even more telling. Ripley, without dropping a beat, asks if it's human. None of the others crack a joke at her expense for doing so - and her manner is quite clearly serious. Likewise, Dallas doesn't frown in confusion or anything like that. He treats the question honestly and just shrugs his shoulders. Why aren't at least Parker and Brett eventually making digs at her for asking such a question?

The scene is presented, not as someone asking a bizarre notion, but as a concern which should be treated realistically.

In both of these scenes, they make more sense, not less, if humanity has encountered at least one other species in the past, if not several. Quite what level we might be socialising with them is open to question - and wouldn't dilute any focus on future human characters, at all (any more than it has in 'Babylon 5', 'Farscape' or, more recently, the great 'Mass Effect' games).

So, what about science?

Well, there's the Drake Equation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

It seems obvious that open alien contact will be declared at some point, especially if space travel gets increasingly common, as shown in these films.

Then there's the Fermi Paradox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

It states, basically, that if intelligent life is truly common, why haven't we found it yet? That could, of course, be worked around within a story's context, but there's always the more obvious potential answer that we have found life or even been visited, but that the public has simply not been informed about it.

And, like it or not, the 'Alien' films do actually lend themselves to that... Albeit in a veiled way. :) LV-426? It's set in the same system which the Grey-like creatures declared as their home planet, in the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case. Dan O'Bannon never clarified whether it was set there for that purpose, but it could be likely.

And the Engineers from 'Prometheus', if we want to accept that as part of the continuity, do now force us to look up the many examples of dark legends which point to ET intervention in our history. Part of what I lamented about that film was that it only made a superficial attempt to explore that side of things, but, nevertheless, it's there. The moment you look into that type of thing and accept intervention as having happened, then you also have to accept several different species were visiting us in the distant past, not just the one.

This should, ideally, be what the sequel to 'Prometheus' should explore: What made the Engineers? Were they just drone-like servants for a different civilisation? Were they just one of many which have been visiting Earth through prehistory? And was it, in fact, the Engineers who made us or were they left behind on the planet Weyland went to? Were they just prototypes for humanity, as opposed to our creators?

As was written earlier in this discussion, at the very least, the Engineers (or whatever had made them) must have been making and experimenting with life on numerous other worlds. If their goal was to create something with recognisable intelligence, then the only real question is how many of those other species were wiped out through environmental catastrophe, war and so on. How many others reached the level of humanity or even beyond? Those would be the ones we might be encountering in the future.

So, on balance, yes. It's likely that ET life with technology either in advance of our own or, perhaps, in parity with it, would be out there. By the time of the Nostromo and Sulaco are we now openly interacting with Greys, Nordics and other species reported in UFO encounters? Maybe, maybe not... But it's interesting to note that 'Arcturians' are actually mentioned in some contactee cases. :)

In another sense, we also have to examine why the Colonial Marines even exist, in the first place. It would cost a lot of money to keep a galactic force out there in spaceships and equip them with advanced weaponry, up to and including whole nuclear weapons. They aren't mere rescue specialists, as in 'Event Horizon'. These are hardened combat veterans who travel around on even lowly troop transports which are kitted out to engage and destroy other craft.

Purely for defending against other human governments? Maybe. But, again, maybe not.

And they've routinely been going into Arcturian territory, if nowhere else...

TheTrekman

My idea for the Alien Universe is that the galaxy is full of life, but life that comes in all kinds of forms. Truly alien aliens so it's not like Star Trek where all you need is some pointy ears or a bumpy forehead to qualify as an alien.

I find that much more interesting than a galaxy with barely any life.


Xenomorphine

For wildlife, absolutely. Though there are strong evolutionary reasons why a species which graduates towards advanced technology would generally be humanoid in shape.

Exceptions would be if something has been given assistance from another species or if they're, say, telekinetic.

TheTrekman

I'm not against humanoid aliens, as long as they don't look human.

The Runner

As long as the other alien beings and the et wildlife have unique and good designs I'll be happy.

Something along the lines of this!
https://canopy.uc.edu/bbcswebdav/users/gibsonic/Snaiad/snduterus.html

TheTrekman

Quote from: The Runner on Aug 02, 2015, 11:02:01 PM
As long as the other alien beings and the et wildlife have unique and good designs I'll be happy.

Something along the lines of this!
https://canopy.uc.edu/bbcswebdav/users/gibsonic/Snaiad/snduterus.html

I wouldn't have it any other way!

The Alien Predator

Very detailed post, Xenomorphine. I liked that you mentioned Greys and Zeta Reticuli, I used to love reading alien conspiracy stuff when I was younger.  :P

Until the Arcturians are fully described, I imagine them as slightly grey like but with a more human skin tone. Also, the Engineers remind me of the greys in some way, their bald heads, white skin and black eyes.

One of the EU comics had a reptilian humanoid try to collect Xenomorphs, so there's our Reptoid.  ;D

Xenomorphine

Going by the talk of the Marines, I suspect these types of Arcturians are overly feminine, by our human standards!

markweatherill

I suppose Daleks are not out of the question? :)

TheTrekman

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 03, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
Until the Arcturians are fully described, I imagine them as slightly grey like but with a more human skin tone. Also, the Engineers remind me of the greys in some way, their bald heads, white skin and black eyes.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 03, 2015, 10:53:06 AM
Going by the talk of the Marines, I suspect these types of Arcturians are overly feminine, by our human standards!

For me, I think the Arcturians are shape-shifters. That's what they were in The Long Tomorrow written by Alien co-creator Dan O'Bannon, which I feel was what James Cameron was referencing in that scene. And it makes sense since if they were shape-shifters, whether they were male or female, in the immortal words of Frost, "It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!" since both genders could change into any form a horny Colonial Marine wants.

Xenomrph

Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 27, 2015, 02:36:48 AM
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Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 25, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 25, 2015, 05:37:32 AM
Also, if there are no other creatures in AvP, what were those other skulls in the Predator 2 trophy room?
One was a TREX dont know about the rest

I'd be really curious to see the creature with the big lobes on its head and no eyes.
Was there an Jockey helmet i am going to watch my predator 2 dvd and go to that bit.

I don't see one:



The one in the middle looks like some kind of amphibian, the one on top looks like a troll, and the one to the far right looks completely unknown.  Maybe the one on the right could be one of the Engineers' creations, though the other two do not fit the bill.  And that does not look like any t-rex skull I've ever seen.
Fun fact: the one in the middle shows up in an 'Aliens' comic (Aliens: Alien, from the Dark Horse Comics serial anthology series).

I'd love to see a comic series (or even a novel) short-story anthology about the Lost Predators, giving backstories to each of them while detailing some of their more memorable hunts that perhaps led to the skulls on the Predator 2 trophy wall (and as a result, expanding on those creatures a bit).

The Alien Predator

Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2015, 03:27:06 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 27, 2015, 02:36:48 AM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2015, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 26, 2015, 01:31:38 AM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 25, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 25, 2015, 05:37:32 AM
Also, if there are no other creatures in AvP, what were those other skulls in the Predator 2 trophy room?
One was a TREX dont know about the rest

I'd be really curious to see the creature with the big lobes on its head and no eyes.
Was there an Jockey helmet i am going to watch my predator 2 dvd and go to that bit.

I don't see one:



The one in the middle looks like some kind of amphibian, the one on top looks like a troll, and the one to the far right looks completely unknown.  Maybe the one on the right could be one of the Engineers' creations, though the other two do not fit the bill.  And that does not look like any t-rex skull I've ever seen.
Fun fact: the one in the middle shows up in an 'Aliens' comic (Aliens: Alien, from the Dark Horse Comics serial anthology series).

I'd love to see a comic series (or even a novel) short-story anthology about the Lost Predators, giving backstories to each of them while detailing some of their more memorable hunts that perhaps led to the skulls on the Predator 2 trophy wall (and as a result, expanding on those creatures a bit).

I know of the comic you speak of, Xenopedia says that it focuses on one of them named "Suom" and his tribe.

Here's a picture of the cover.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/f/f0/Dhc18.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110108190811

I remember while searching Google, I saw a scan of a page where a human looking astronaut carries one of them towards Suom. Has anyone here actually read this comic? Because if you have, please spoil me, I have been dying to know what goes on in the story.

Xenomrph

It's a super cool little story.

The basic gist of it is that there's an Alien that's been terrorizing Suom's tribe, so he and others of his tribe set out to kill the Alien; Suom sees it as a sort of "coming of age" ritual where he will become a man. Suom's race is intelligent, but technologically primitive.

So they all go out and track down the Alien, and they get their asses kicked and all get murdered except for Suom and one other. Suom manages to wound the Alien, but it sprays acid all over and wounds his tribe mate before fleeing. Suom drags his wounded friend and they come across a crashed space ship; they find a mummified human inside with its chest blown out (the source of the Alien), and then a masked astronaut shows up with a big honking gun.
The astronaut's dialogue is done in gibberish speech bubbles to indicate that Suom can't understand what he's saying, and you never see the astronaut's face, but he's heavily implied to be human.

The astronaut is all threatening and imposing, but Suom can't do a whole lot about it because he's just got a spear and his friend is wounded. The astronaut ends up euthanizing his wounded friend, and that upsets Suom but the astronaut threatens to kill him as well, so Suom backs off.
The astronaut leaves, and Suom tags along; the Alien attacks, and the astronaut effortlessly blasts it with his gun. Suom takes this opportunity to spear the astronaut through the back with his spear, killing him.
The last page of the comic shows Suom returning to his tribe, carrying both the alien head and the astronaut's helmet and some of his gear.

That's the gist of it; it's been years since I read it so I may have gotten some of the details wrong.

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