Should Predator 4 plot be in the jungle or in the city.

Started by Alien Jockey, May 14, 2013, 03:20:59 AM

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Should Predator 4 plot be in the jungle or in the city. (Read 137,488 times)

Lotus

The future i wish to seeing upgrade equipment predator against with the high tech human some else like the concrete jungle   

Xenomorphine

Quote from: Tusky on Jul 15, 2014, 07:58:42 AM
Set in New York during a hundred year storm with a grizzled Dutch (Arnie) would be ok.

Would seem a bit contrived, wouldn't it? Dutch just happening to be there and all.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2014, 08:57:09 AM
The main reason I hate that idea so much is it completely undermines the concept established in the first two films that Predators are specifically drawn to very hot areas.

That we know of...

Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
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If it votes... we can kill it.

:laugh:

SM

QuoteWould seem a bit contrived, wouldn't it? Dutch just happening to be there and all

Not if the Predator is there looking for Dutch.

SiL

Predator: The Revenge

Xenomorphine

Tracking one humanoid blob of heat in a jungle with virtually nobody else around for miles, is one thing. Once he got to civilisation, it'd be just one almost indistinguishable heat blob amongst millions.

Other flaws with a prospective 'revenge' story:

* Why wait all this time?

* As it was a lone hunter, where were the supposed Predator witnesses?

* It'd go against the events of the first sequel, where we know that if a human is intelligent/brave/courageous enough to defeat one of their own, they consider said human worthy enough to survive.

Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:13:20 AM
Predator: The Revenge

I'd rather see vengeance, myself.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
* It'd go against the events of the first sequel, where we know that if a human is intelligent/brave/courageous enough to defeat one of their own, they consider said human worthy enough to survive.

If they go this route, it could just be that the Predator clan in the second film operates differently than the clan the first film's Predator came from. The Predators in Predators operated differently than the ones in both previous films.

Of course, if they want to bring Dutch back they could have him as the one tracking down Predators on Earth, rather than the other way around.

SiL

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
Tracking one humanoid blob of heat in a jungle with virtually nobody else around for miles, is one thing. Once he got to civilisation, it'd be just one almost indistinguishable heat blob amongst millions.
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way. We're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator. Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.

OpenMaw

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 16, 2014, 01:21:14 AM
Of course, if they want to bring Dutch back they could have him as the one tracking down Predators on Earth, rather than the other way around.

Which is what i'd do. Arnie's had enough of these ugly mother ****ing predators on this mother ****ing planet!  8)

SM

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:13:20 AM
Predator: The Revenge

f**k yes.  Arnie kills it with the prow of the Staten Island ferry.

Xenomorphine

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way.

Indistinguishable, full stop. :) It's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists. It's a bit better by the time of 'Predators', but that's a different kettle of fish.

QuoteWe're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator. Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.

And that's the biggest plot-hole in the entire story (as is how they could have known the past crimes of those in 'Predators'). Personally, I prefer to interpret the first sequel's events as more along the lines of coincidence. There's no physical way they could have been tracking the guy. They'd have had to have at least one Predator trailing him everywhere - including inside all of the buildings and individual office rooms (where he likely spends most of his working day).

Not to mention the public lavatories... Heh.

I mean, it's possible they might have had tiny microscopic flying drones constantly buzzing alongside him or whatever, but there's no evidence of them in the movie.

SiL

QuoteIt's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists.
Which would be a problem if the Predator was a human, I guess, but they're not, so what's your point? At the very least they're not deaf.

And it's not a plot hole that the Predator can follow him at all. The movie never shows there'd be any reason it couldn't (besides you assuming it finds the infrared as incomprehensible as you do, which is really, really silly).

dudes

how about no where...franchise does not need another quick buck movie.. it needs an legit avp movie based on the classic films that MADE the franchise.  with like marines and weyland tied into it in future space with a suspense feel like they use to make movies? ( not blow em up and blood with all hail computer graphic film)

dudes

only movies I recognize from the franchise is alien 1-4 and predator 1-2, all it needs is the legit avp movie... no fricken prometheus(which should remain a mystery in the minds of the audience like orginally intended) no predators (poor rip off the first movie and stuck "super preds" in it, like that was desperatly made up), no dicken around pred 4 either

DaddyYautja

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 02:44:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way.

Indistinguishable, full stop. :) It's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists. It's a bit better by the time of 'Predators', but that's a different kettle of fish.

QuoteWe're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator. Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.

And that's the biggest plot-hole in the entire story (as is how they could have known the past crimes of those in 'Predators'). Personally, I prefer to interpret the first sequel's events as more along the lines of coincidence. There's no physical way they could have been tracking the guy. They'd have had to have at least one Predator trailing him everywhere - including inside all of the buildings and individual office rooms (where he likely spends most of his working day).

Not to mention the public lavatories... Heh.

I mean, it's possible they might have had tiny microscopic flying drones constantly buzzing alongside him or whatever, but there's no evidence of them in the movie.

The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.

Anyway, i would love seeing these flicks in the future but these movies never get enough cash for this to happen.
I really hope they dont do it in Iraq or other middle eastern countries, that stuff is played out.

They should go to Africa if they are going to do present time. Have some special forces doing a mission against some local militia screwing around then the pred pops in to kill everyone.

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

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Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 03:18:21 AM
And it's not a plot hole that the Predator can follow him at all. The movie never shows there'd be any reason it couldn't (besides you assuming it finds the infrared as incomprehensible as you do, which is really, really silly).

We are shown exactly what the beast sees, though. Those vaguely contoured rainbows - which massively fall off in detail, the further away it gets - are what it perceives. No amount of evolution is going to change that.

Photoshop Harrigan's heat signature in amongst, say, the ones from the subway crowd scene. The best one would probably be from the beginning, where he's crouching down and aiming a gun at it or where he's being seen from above fighting the gangs (as those are taken from about mid-range). That would be the difficulty you'd have if you were trying to track him down in the entirety of Los Angeles - and we know the Predator was going off and doing other stuff for the majority of its time. Harrigan is slightly more bulky than some people, but that'd be about the only real visual clue a Predator would have to go by.

Yes, it can probably detect his voice, but he's not goign to be constantly speaking to himself while he's walking down the street or anything. Dutch had a different situation. He was the only humanoid target for miles around. Harrigan was surrounded by, literally, millions of other people on a daily basis - and most of it was inside of buildings, like his home and the police station. How would they know which target is him on the way out?

Get up close and personal and, sure, some extra details can be made out, contour-wise, but for the Predator(s) to be able to track him down, it needs to be something they could do at a considerable range.

We could say maybe they put some kind of tracker on him (which would have to be microscopic enough for him to not notice, water-proof and also embedded in his skin or a simple wash or change of clothes would defeat it), but the movie doesn't indicate this. Just like we could also say that Predators have some kind of telepathic skill - which I could actually buy, because it would have obvious hunting advantages. But, likewise, we never get any kind of hints of that.

I do understand the writers intended, in their heads, for the thing to be tracking him, but my problem is that it's never explained how it could physically do such a thing. He'd be indistinguishable from all the other human beings until he did something they'd recognise as unique.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 16, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.

We were shown how it was able to do those things, though. being able to sift through, literally, millions of fuzzy heat blobs to zero in on a single human being? Without him growing some kind of extra limb or having an unusual shape or height, I'm not understanding how. Those things would show up on thermal, but faces didn't. Not at any real distance.

QuoteAnyway, i would love seeing these flicks in the future but these movies never get enough cash for this to happen.
I really hope they dont do it in Iraq or other middle eastern countries, that stuff is played out.

They should go to Africa if they are going to do present time. Have some special forces doing a mission against some local militia screwing around then the pred pops in to kill everyone.

Africa would be very do-able in today's age. If it started out with a pirate hijacking to get the Predator interested in them, we could even have an interesting water-based scene. I'm sure they must have specialised aquatic gear for worlds requiring hunting beneath the surface. Plus, I always liked how 'Cold War' depicted them using one end of their spears as a kind of giant harpoon-gun.

Plenty of mercenaries for it to deal with and US forces have AFRICOM which could help to co-ordinate them for any would-be capture mission. Might even play out 'Black Hawk Down' style, with them going to secretly capture some kind of local warlord and finding something's already decapitated him. DNA/equipment samples being taken for evidence from the crime scene, of course, which then leads someone high up to realise an old foe is stalking around.

The story is unlikely to age too badly, either. It's a country where poverty and vicious tribal militancy are probably still going to be thriving long after we are dead.

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