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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #30 on: Jun 18, 2012, 06:55:49 AM »
To be honest, if there's any connection between the movies: Prometheus and Predator, I really don't think there's any real relationship between the Engineers and the preds.  The Engineers built us and then they left, the predators found us and thought "hey, they would make good prey!"
In the view of the Engineers, we're just ants; predators: animals.  They did stuff on our planet that were probably just the normal routine and no big deal, but a huge deal to us b/c we're so small in comparison.  So we create legends of godly creatures from the heavens.
No different from us wiping out an ant colony in our backyard b/c we don't want the ants getting into our food.  But if the ants had intellect, they would view it as something far deeper and meaningful, as an apocalypse for their "greed" and "corruption"- when really, we just don't want them in our food.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #31 on: Jun 18, 2012, 01:28:46 PM »
To be honest, if there's any connection between the movies: Prometheus and Predator, I really don't think there's any real relationship between the Engineers and the preds.  The Engineers built us and then they left, the predators found us and thought "hey, they would make good prey!"
In the view of the Engineers, we're just ants; predators: animals.  They did stuff on our planet that were probably just the normal routine and no big deal, but a huge deal to us b/c we're so small in comparison.  So we create legends of godly creatures from the heavens.
No different from us wiping out an ant colony in our backyard b/c we don't want the ants getting into our food.  But if the ants had intellect, they would view it as something far deeper and meaningful, as an apocalypse for their "greed" and "corruption"- when really, we just don't want them in our food.

Ive had the same thing going on in my mind as well, they are both different movies lol

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #32 on: Jun 18, 2012, 09:35:08 PM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #33 on: Jun 18, 2012, 09:40:03 PM »
Oh dear...

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #34 on: Jun 18, 2012, 11:42:06 PM »

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #35 on: Jun 19, 2012, 05:26:07 AM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

In Alien 3 , Bishop is synthetic in theatrical cut, in directors cut he is human.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #36 on: Jun 19, 2012, 05:27:21 AM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

In Alien 3 , Bishop is synthetic in theatrical cut, in directors cut he is human.

Holy shit.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #37 on: Jun 19, 2012, 05:45:37 AM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

In Alien 3 , Bishop is synthetic in theatrical cut, in directors cut he is human.
No he's not, he's quite human in both. :)

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #38 on: Jun 19, 2012, 11:54:25 AM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

In Alien 3 , Bishop is synthetic in theatrical cut, in directors cut he is human.
No he's not, he's quite human in both. :)

In theatrical cut he still seems pretty fine after hitting with that wrench. In directors cut he screams from pain and says I'm not a droid!! and touches his ear that is bleeding, so it's obvious. He is human in directors cut, in theatrical release he is android.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #39 on: Jun 19, 2012, 03:37:27 PM »
Getting better and better! Not only a canon debate but a Bishop-in-Alien3-was-android debate as well! ...Throw in some Caste vs. Cowl and you'll bring a tear to my eye.
« Last Edit: Jun 19, 2012, 05:33:32 PM by SpreadEagleBeagle »

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #40 on: Jun 19, 2012, 04:02:39 PM »
reading this i keep feeling like their relationship is only that maybe the Enginers created the preds to by seeding their world like they did so many others and many humanoid aliens are simular becasue of this fact givin the preds would have happened much longer ago than humans due to their tech but just an idea
I Still want to believe that the aliens are natural and the Enginers worship them and have made many of their bio weapons from the alien DNA hence all the goos creations haveing aliens trates
then the Preds hunt the aliens which if someone was hunting something i worship i'd be pisses so maybe the engiers were enginering something to kill the predators maybe thats what they were running from and fighting  then the ship on LV-426 could have been rescued eggs from the preds on the way back to the alien home world OR just a bomber like Scott origionaly said because like in AVP you can tell preds can not handel to many aliens so the eggs could have been on the way to the predator home world so many possibilities and the thing i cant believe with all the great idea i read on this site every day and all the amazign places this universe could take all 3 species WHY ARE THE SUITS AT FOX NOT ON HERE GETTING IDEAS WHY ARE THE DIRECTORS NOT US WHY DO WE KEEP GETTING THIS AMAZING STORY RAPPED OUT HTE ASS WITH ALL MOST EVERY OTHER MOVIE
ALIEN-AMZING
ALIENS- AMAZING
ALIEN 3- ORIGINAL STORY WITH NEWT HICKS AND RIPLY ALL ALIVE FIGHING THE GOOD FIGHT FREAKIN AMAZING
ALIEN 3 MOVIE- NOT BAD NOT WHAT IT COUDL HAVE BEEN BUT NOT BAD

PREDATOR-AMAZING
PREDATOR 2- WATCHABLE AND ENTERTAINING
PREDATORS- PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST PREDATOR ON A DIFFERENT PLANET BUT STILL NOT TO SHABBY BUT NOT GREAT

AVP- IF IT WOULDA STUCK TO THE LIFE CYCLE TIMES CORRECTLY AND NOT HAD ONE ALIEN TAKE DOWN 2 FULLY EQUIPT PREDS WOULDA BEEN COOL GREAT STORY IDEA
AVPR- BLOOD ORGY BUT WATCHABLE BUT HORRIABLE STORY BUT IT SHOWED WHAT WE WANTED EVEN THOUGH THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRED ALIEN QUEEN WITH A EGG SACK NOT A ALIEN MAKE OUT SCENE

PROMETHEUS- INTERESTING AND BEAUTIFUL BUT JUST TO MANY QUESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH TIE INS YET TO MAKE IT OK MAYBE THE SEQUEL WILL HELP

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #41 on: Jun 19, 2012, 06:22:24 PM »
I was thinking that if Charles and Peter Weyland are related, then this could explain why the Company built the Bishop android series, in honor of their founder, think of it like Mount Rushmore remembering all the presidents by carving their faces in stone. I also believe that the Weyland in Alien 3 was a synthetic.

That can be a connection for those who, like me tend to patch the movies together.

In Alien 3 , Bishop is synthetic in theatrical cut, in directors cut he is human.
No he's not, he's quite human in both. :)

In theatrical cut he still seems pretty fine after hitting with that wrench. In directors cut he screams from pain and says I'm not a droid!! and touches his ear that is bleeding, so it's obvious. He is human in directors cut, in theatrical release he is android.
He was always intended to be human, the extended cut just makes it clearer. He's still bleeding red blood in the theatrical cut.

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Re: Alien/Prometheus and Predator films ...
« Reply #42 on: Jul 01, 2012, 09:54:46 AM »
I am going to hypothesize from the other side of things.

1st - I remember seeing decades ago, a tid bit about combining the series - in a predator movie... I believe it was 2 - there is a queen alien's head in the ship - someone will have to check, but it may have been made up in my head since it was a long time ago (but I'm young so that looks good lololol) 2nd, they had issues picking the storyline for avp was tricky for the directors to pick. Everyone whom can, confirm this for me - now is where I point out some features from the alien species... so try to follow me, as all of these movies from this series seem to all be genetic in nature from the beginning of the series to the end... here it goes.

1) First I have to explain some genetics to make WHAT happened in Prometheus correct - which then can also explain the predators and everything else in the AVP/P series' as a while.

Take a horse... if it mates with a horse it makes a horse
If a horse mates with a donkey it makes a mule
A mule is infertile - it can't make more...

Horse = 1 species
Donkey = 1 species
Mules = 1 infertile species
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Of these creatures - mules (male) cannot produce viable offspring aka sperm (think of them like an infection... sorry men - i feel you) and think of the female mules as the queen in Resurrection - forgive me ladies. - NOW it is safe to say that if we consider that bit of biology to be factual - and it is - then let us consider the following from the movie

The beings from this movie ARE NOT THE CREATORS - they brought the FIRE to HUMANITY... aka they stole it from the gods... and I ALSO BELIEVE there is a CLUE in the AVP dialog... as the "GODS/GUARDS Need their WEAPONS" - You can say there is no relation but if the word GOD was not so universal, and uniformal instead, then indeed we are referring to Predators as we call them every time we say the word 'god'... back to the beings that STOLE the fire, Let me address the name of the ship and the connection to the beings.

I am going to then state that the name of the ship, under the lore of the knowledge above - was named for its purpose... which of course was to steal the 'fire.' Under our culture, Prometheus is the titan that stole the fire from the gods, so in essence - the science that lead to our prehistoric sense of religious deities then adequately described what the Engineers as you call them, did to the predators, and thus we later did to the engineers (and named our ship to do) in the process under culturally inspired names for our ships that thus depicted indirectly events that were recorded in the lore and lay of our own land!!! damn that's deeeeeeeeeeep.

So then what was the fire??? Well is that not obvious. The predator's used this bio-weapon to reign supreme within the universe - it was changed and managed by their tech. experts. But it was stolen by the engineers and although predators may have enjoyed 'finding' us and 'using us' they then learned in their discovery of how we came to existence and perfected this bio-weapon and the xeno's, and we were put on the list of 'things to destroy'.

HOLD IT... this sounds like the same take, so how does it connect differently?
-You remember the DNA and biology bit I said about the aliens above? - The engineer was the horse, she was the Donkey and the alien is the mule... and if you think of the aliens as bacteria or viral, the aliens dont need to mate with a race - because the male is infertile but the queen lays eggs, and if it meets with a host it can create more - and as we know, ripley mated with a female- and it worked - think of the goo, as the step before the horse - and that means...

ALLLLLLLLL of this said... what was that thing at the end of the movie then? - It means that she gave birth to a 'mule' alien/metheous baby. And this was bacterial in nature, and when mixed with the Engineer created a similar race of beings to the Alien race.

If the genetics of this had to be explained, which by her labor causes the indirect explanation of it even though you'd need to know genetics to know it - then that goo was the weapon used to kill them, not us - in fact, that goo may have had effects on us - but realistically what that did to the dna of a worm could only pale in comparison to what it would do to an Engineer... and wow, it didn't kill us, remember... although it had effects... zombie like effects (which is kind of dumb imo)


 

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