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Author Topic: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space Jockey  (Read 4680 times)

Capovin

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Re: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space...
« Reply #135 on: May 09, 2012, 05:14:02 AM »
I think the thing that is most wonky for me with AA in Prometheus is making the jockeys humanoid. Okay, it's an allusion to the Bible and God creating man in His image, but I think the problem is that hominids poop on the idea of ancient astronauts creating man in their image.

To be fair I think it will be implied that hominids already existed and the human like gods mutated them to be more like them, giving that extra push. At least that's what I think AA says, this is just pure speculation.

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Re: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space...
« Reply #136 on: May 09, 2012, 05:31:22 AM »
That strikes me as the same as BSG with the humans finding primitive humans on Earth and "God did it."

The problem isn't necessarily that on its own, but the fact that he changed the jockey in Alien to a suit they wear for this purpose. I don't think that the stretching of "Well, these humanoid space jockeys just happened to Earth and found hominids that were structurally very similar to them except smaller and they altered them to make them even more like them even though they were already coincidentally very close" is worth the trade off of making the alien jockey no longer alien. If the jockeys outright create man the way that man created David, I could buy it, but the metaphor is stretched.

Since we haven't seen the jockey yet besides far away shots, I'm giving the film the benefit of the doubt about how alien they look despite humanoid configuration.

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Re: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space...
« Reply #137 on: May 09, 2012, 07:54:56 AM »
@Deuterium
We agree on the A.T which should not be taken litterally.
I have always believes that the original sin is not really what is described in the latin version of the bible. Moreover the so called 7 days of the creation do not correspond to day in the current sense of the term but to either day in the God sense (equivalent to 1000 years) or in the period sense (with an undefined length).

Back to topic.
I agree that the A.A hypothesis has been poorly developped by several of its most famous defenders. Even Sitchin developped hypothesis are not well formulated or thought out. I think that it is because of the unability of men to really understand how could think or the motivations of beings far more advanced, smarter and more powerful than us. A bit like if dolphins or monkeys try to describe men, and to use their limited understanding to formulate hypothesis about us.
Do i believe in A.A hypothesis ?
Yes, but not in the sense of Van Daniken or Sitchin.
If do not believe that we were created by Aliens.
But i do believe that Ancient Civilizations met superior beings that either alter them at the genetic level and/or taught them and brought to them some of their knowledge and of their technology.
These beings were clearly humanoid but not necesseraly human like and there could be several kind/race of these beings. That could explain the so called war of the gods In fact those being could have even been completely Alien and use deception not to frighten too much human of those times.
Now, i don't know if these beings were Aliens, fallen Angels, Angels, Djinn or even more ancient and way more advanced human (potentially from a previous world/creation), but they were certainly those that those ancient civilizations worship and called gods.

Regarding the use of A.A theory in the movie like Prometheus, it could work if those Aliens are very advanced with technology and behavior beyond our comprehension. I would prefer that they were not humanoid but use their technology and/or powers to deceive us in believing that they look like us.
Moreover both their technology and their motivitations should not be fully explained. According to me what make the A.A hypothesis use in movies that poor, is the lack of imagination/creativity of authors and the will to too much explain beings  supposedly far more advanced than us.
Btw, in Prometheus i hope they find good explanations to why it will be so so easy for the Prometheus crew to have access to the temple and to engineer biotech and to be able to damage the Juggernaut with the Prometheus. This is the kind of thing which deeply piss me off regarding movies where men deal with supposedly more advanced beings. This is why i really like the J.M.S approach with the First Ones in Babylon 5, where he managed to show and to explain as less of them as possible. This keeps them mysterious and fascinating.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2012, 09:59:09 AM by timiteh »

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Re: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space...
« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2012, 10:15:47 PM »
The Physical 'rules' of the Universe +
Atomic Chemistry +
Luck [Planet Earth is in the 'Goldilocks zone'] +
13.7 billion years of time
=
Life on Earth, with one particular species (out of millions) that can question its own existence.

Order, Chaos, Self Similarity, Self Organisation...
Small beginnings have big outcomes.

No Ancient Astronauts, Engineers, Intelligent Designers or Gods are required.

« Last Edit: May 10, 2012, 01:13:08 AM by 180924609 »

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Re: Ancient Astronaut Theory & The Space...
« Reply #139 on: May 10, 2012, 07:06:11 AM »
The Physical 'rules' of the Universe +
Atomic Chemistry +
Luck [Planet Earth is in the 'Goldilocks zone'] +
13.7 billion years of time
=
Life on Earth, with one particular species (out of millions) that can question its own existence.

Order, Chaos, Self Similarity, Self Organisation...
Small beginnings have big outcomes.

No Ancient Astronauts, Engineers, Intelligent Designers or Gods are required.




Then what the ancient were calling gods and extensively decriving and worshipping them ?
Hallucinations ?
Moreover, what make you think that there is not a being responsible of creating the universe , life and monitoring all this ?

 

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