Topic: How powerful would you like the xenomorphs to be?

[shadowedge]

Just how powerful would you like the human/dog born xenomorphs to be?

We have some major discrepancies with the movies.

In Alien it was nigh unstoppable, but that was because the humans had just one real weapon.

In Aliens they were more or less reduced to canon fodder. The marine to alien death ratio really favored the humans.One burst from the pulse rifle could pretty much explode them. That said one alien did survive several head shots due to Vasquez's pistol, so they are above human durability. Also they were not all that fast in terms of movement speed.

Alien 3 had an extremely fast xenomorph who could survive some intense temperatures. That said the humans didn't really have much to defend themselves with.

Alien Resurrection, it has been so long since I have seen this film, but one alien could dodge bullets at point blank range. These were probably the quickest aliens we have seen given that speed/reaction feat. They didn't seem terribly durable though.  Maybe slightly above humans in damage soak.

Aliens vs Predator showed them as being extremely physically strong. Easily able to life a 250+ pound Predator with their tail, as well as being able to take some serious blunt damage soak in the "wrestling" scene. Also their double jaw could break through a Predator bio mask, and those masks could withstand bullets without damage. That said a nail gun killed one. I am not to sure how powerful nail guns are though. They seemed fairly fast, but not as fast as AR or A3.

AVP Requiem had them as just canon fodder, capable of being taken out with ~2004 guns fairly readily. We don't get to see any noticeable speed feats if I recall.

The 3 AVP PC games have them as at least twice as fast as a human as well as being just a little above humans at damage soak, but these are not canon.

For me, my ideal xenomorph would have the Alien Resurrection reaction/speed feats of being able to dodge bullets, be able to move at around 60 miles per hour, and be able to take at least 30 rounds of a pulse rifle magazine before going down.

This puts them at significantly above humans in all areas, while still making for a good intense action movie without making them canon fodder. Also human blades would not be able to pierce the exoskeleton. The perfect organism should be able to take some punishment and be able to dish it out.

Basically something like this would be able to realistically go toe to toe with an unarmed Predator, given what we have seen from the movies. The ones from Aliens wouldn't stand much a chance to to them being taken out so easily.

Whats your ideal human/dog born xenomorph? How powerful would it be?

[Vepariga]

30 Rounds from a Pulse Rifle? that many would drop anything, I think 4-5 Pulse rounds would be more realistic. But I'd agree with you on the speed. Everything else is pretty well thought for.

[Xenomrph]

In Alien it was nigh unstoppable, but that was because the humans had just one real weapon.

In Aliens they were more or less reduced to canon fodder. The marine to alien death ratio really favored the humans.One burst from the pulse rifle could pretty much explode them. That said one alien did survive several head shots due to Vasquez's pistol, so they are above human durability. Also they were not all that fast in terms of movement speed.

Alien 3 had an extremely fast xenomorph who could survive some intense temperatures. That said the humans didn't really have much to defend themselves with.

It's worth pointing out that the Aliens weren't that inconsistent between the first three movies. It only seemed unstoppable because the characters were essentially unarmed and had no idea what was going on, and the Alien still moved fairly quickly when it needed to (most notably when it closes on Dallas in the vents). The ones in 'Aliens' were still pretty quick, they navigate the air vents following the Marines pretty easily and you see them leaping over stuff to get at the characters in the Ops battle and when Ripley faces the Queen.
The one in 'Alien3' withstood some extreme temperatures, but remember that every human except for Jude managed to successfully outrun it. The only time it actually caught people in the corridor chase was when it caught them unawares or somehow got them to stop.

Having said that, I'd need to go back and do the math on what the rough "top speed" of the Alien was in AvPClassic - that was arguably the fastest the Alien was ever portrayed in any source, and the game actually measured your movement speed as an in-game statistic at the end of each level. I think the Alien could top out at around 10m/s or something thereabouts.

The 3 AVP PC games have them as at least twice as fast as a human as well as being just a little above humans at damage soak, but these are not canon.

Well technically they ARE canon, and they're certainly fair game in this part of the forum, but that doesn't mean everyone accepts them as canon.

[SM]

Alien 3 had an extremely fast xenomorph who could survive some intense temperatures.

A common misconception.  It's very fast when it nails Gregor.  But everyone else outran it.  Except Jude who was overweight and had already outrun it once.

[shadowedge]

In Alien it was nigh unstoppable, but that was because the humans had just one real weapon.

In Aliens they were more or less reduced to canon fodder. The marine to alien death ratio really favored the humans.One burst from the pulse rifle could pretty much explode them. That said one alien did survive several head shots due to Vasquez's pistol, so they are above human durability. Also they were not all that fast in terms of movement speed.

Alien 3 had an extremely fast xenomorph who could survive some intense temperatures. That said the humans didn't really have much to defend themselves with.

It's worth pointing out that the Aliens weren't that inconsistent between the first three movies. It only seemed unstoppable because the characters were essentially unarmed and had no idea what was going on, and the Alien still moved fairly quickly when it needed to (most notably when it closes on Dallas in the vents). The ones in 'Aliens' were still pretty quick, they navigate the air vents following the Marines pretty easily and you see them leaping over stuff to get at the characters in the Ops battle and when Ripley faces the Queen.
The one in 'Alien3' withstood some extreme temperatures, but remember that every human except for Jude managed to successfully outrun it. The only time it actually caught people in the corridor chase was when it caught them unawares or somehow got them to stop.

Having said that, I'd need to go back and do the math on what the rough "top speed" of the Alien was in AvPClassic - that was arguably the fastest the Alien was ever portrayed in any source, and the game actually measured your movement speed as an in-game statistic at the end of each level. I think the Alien could top out at around 10m/s or something thereabouts.

The 3 AVP PC games have them as at least twice as fast as a human as well as being just a little above humans at damage soak, but these are not canon.

Well technically they ARE canon, and they're certainly fair game in this part of the forum, but that doesn't mean everyone accepts them as canon.

Every species runs insanely fast in AVPClassic though. The marines must be on Xenozip.

[DiabloGuapo]

Hmmm... let's see.
Alien- The alien easily overpowers any human it encountered. It easily lifted a grown man off the ground. We really didn't see it's speed displayed.
Aliens- The aliens were very strong. They were breaking down the door when the humans were escaping. They were shown to be very agile by jumping all over the place. They were moving rather fast in air vents while chasing the humans. As for durablity, I think they were rather durable. The pulse rifles fire armor piercing, explosive rounds. I don't think anything could last long against that. The alien that got the drop on Vasquez was still kicking even after having a few rounds placed in it's head at point blank. The shots fired by Gorman just bounced off the one he shot at.
Alien 3- Once again, the alien makes short work of anyone it got it's hands on. It had ten tons of molten lead poured on to it. That means it can survive temperatures of at least 621.43 F. While it was outran throughout the film, it was shown to be able to run at extreme speeds.
Alien Resurrection- Like in Aliens, they were shown to be able to break down steel doors. They can also survive liquid nitrogen, which is -346 F. The aliens weren't really shown running in the film.
AvP- An alien can effortlessly lift and throw a Predator with it's tail. It could also fight, pin one down, and bite bite through it's mask. They were also shown running and it appeared to be fast.
AvP:R- Um, yeah... I got nothing to say.

Overall, Xenomorphs are shown to be extremely strong, durable, and fast. I think the 2010 AvP game was the closest of the games to display these traits. In that game, they run at 14 m/s (31 mph) and sprint at 28.47 m/s (63 mph), can take some damage, and easily over power humans.

[mastermoon]

Check out the Grid Alien in the battle with the Celtic Predator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0z7p9890IA

Note: Sorry the video is in bad quality.

[chupacabras acheronsis]

while modern, intermediate rifle ammo can chew through their exoesqueleton, a pistol has never done them critical damage except in A:R and we're not sure just what it fired in the first place. So their skin is around the same level as a simpley kevlar vest. they don't seem to suffer from bleeding(probably meant to bleed in the first place), so unless a vital structure of their body is compromised, they could keep absorbing damage. limb loss doesn't mean much. if they have those vital structures, they must be in the center of their mass, chest, belly, middle part of the head, neck. the most armored parts, logically.

[Omegazilla]

I agree with the theories of the acclaimed Alien biologist chupacabras acheronsis (and my colleague) of the AvPG Academy.

[chupacabras acheronsis]

not a theory, just an observation. we've never seen them taking marginal damage, perhaps if one stood still and remained complete unresponsive(dead) you could, eventually, make a hole on it with a screw driver. it's hide can't be that hard or the alien wouldn't be able to move as fluidly and fast as they do. it needs to have elasticity.

[mastermoon]

The xenomorphs in AVP were more powerful then AVPR's xenomorphs.

[Xenomrph]

Ehh yes and no. They slaughtered the national guard and overran the town in no time flat, it's just when they faced off against the Predator they suddenly became floppy useless wet noodles.

The "point" was to make the Predator look competent, but the way you do that is by actually making him look competent, rather than suddenly making the Aliens look useless.

[Predaker]

The aliens should be able to move at least 230 mph @top speed.

[Xenomrph]

It ruins my immersion if Aliens can't break the sound barrier and phase through matter.

[shadowedge]

It ruins my immersion if Aliens can't break the sound barrier and phase through matter.

Wouldn't phasing through matter require them to move at lightspeed?