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Author Topic: Why do people hate Alien3?  (Read 71208 times)

Ash 937
Mar 14, 2012, 05:15:11 AM
Reply #870 on: Mar 14, 2012, 05:15:11 AM
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I've read all 58 pages of this thread and a lot of people made very good points in favor of Alien3.  Unfortunately, I still hate it. 

stephen
Mar 14, 2012, 05:16:42 AM
Reply #871 on: Mar 14, 2012, 05:16:42 AM
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A lot of people also made some decent criticisms as well.



Hudson
Mar 14, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Reply #874 on: Mar 14, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
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I kinds think the characters in Alien 3 are likable like the ones in Snatch, or in Predators. They're all horrible, reprehensible people, yet many are entertaining in some way. I've personally never had a problem with all the bald people, I'm good with faces, but I get where people come from.

aliennaire
Mar 14, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
Reply #875 on: Mar 14, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
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I've read all 58 pages of this thread and a lot of people made very good points in favor of Alien3.
You did a commendable job  ;)

Well said SM.

I thought so.  ;D
Yes, convincing arguments, as always!  :)

I kinds think the characters in Alien 3 are likable like the ones in Snatch, or in Predators. They're all horrible, reprehensible people, yet many are entertaining in some way.
In what way, if I may ask?

And, for the start, what was the necessity to have 25+extra bald heads in A^3, if they could have perfectly dealt with a less number of prisoners?.. Well, I have a conjecture, which is to deliberately made the film gorier, just want to gather others' opinions.

StrangeShape
Mar 14, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Reply #876 on: Mar 14, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
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people like Drake, Frost and Apone were dead very early on, despite being interesting and likeable characters too

They weren't interesting- we know next to nothing about them - just likeable.  And that's all you need.

Making likeable characters out of high penalty prison would be very cheesy and movie cliche. Those people are garbage who raped or killed. Making one of them as the only one who truly changed is more natural. Plus we also like Clemens and 85 (whi plays the role of Lambert & Hudson), and Morse is funny


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Thus illustrating the point that no one's going to give a shit when they die.

Right, but theres plenty of characters in most horrors and movies that we dont know and are just meatbags


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Aaron only becomes likeable because of his death.  Prior to that he's a fairly pathetic idiot.


he came off as that, but he wasnt a bad guy. And again, he played the same role as Lambert and Hudson - being the voice of the audience, the scared, panicking side



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There's no black and white on contrivances.  Some are easy to accept (Aliens) and others aren't (Alien3).  They should be applauded for taking the road less travelled

The script was written on the spot, there was no time for intricate explanations. The egg was there, audience assumes the Queen left it, thats it. The problems in details only

DoomRulz
Mar 14, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
Reply #877 on: Mar 14, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
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My head's in a whirlwind right now, only partly because I've had a few.

On these characters being faceless: Alien 3 is the closest to a slasher film that any of the Alien films are I think, and I can still distinguish all the bald British guys easier than anyone in any Jason, Freddy, or Michael movie.


I'd label Rez as the slasher film of the Alien films. It's the bloodiest of the four and contains dark humour.

Valaquen
Mar 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
Reply #878 on: Mar 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
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The script was written on the spot, there was no time for intricate explanations. The egg was there, audience assumes the Queen left it, thats it. The problems in details only
Those are some pretty huge details. But the writing on the spot wasn't the problem, as mystery eggs and magic Aliens appear in every iteration of the script, from Gibson-Hill/Giler, from 1987-1991. Four years to come up with a logical scenario.

SpreadEagleBeagle
Mar 14, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
Reply #879 on: Mar 14, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
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The script was written on the spot, there was no time for intricate explanations. The egg was there, audience assumes the Queen left it, thats it. The problems in details only
Those are some pretty huge details. But the writing on the spot wasn't the problem, as mystery eggs and magic Aliens appear in every iteration of the script, from Gibson-Hill/Giler, from 1987-1991. Four years to come up with a logical scenario.

Nothing compared to why W&Y waited for 57 years to investigate the derelict.

StrangeShape
Mar 14, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
Reply #880 on: Mar 14, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
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I think Val explained it pretty thoroughly in his latest blog entry on Ash

Valaquen
Mar 14, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
Reply #881 on: Mar 14, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
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The script was written on the spot, there was no time for intricate explanations. The egg was there, audience assumes the Queen left it, thats it. The problems in details only
Those are some pretty huge details. But the writing on the spot wasn't the problem, as mystery eggs and magic Aliens appear in every iteration of the script, from Gibson-Hill/Giler, from 1987-1991. Four years to come up with a logical scenario.

Nothing compared to why W&Y waited for 57 years to investigate the derelict.
Which is why everyone complains about it. Except they don't. Scott explained that WY didn't know about the Alien. This particular corporation didn't have any preconceived notion that an alien would be found on this mission, much less the particular alien that is brought onto the ship. The idea of bringing it back would not have been on the minds of the corporation executives when they first received the alien transmission. They just had high expectations when they ordered the Nostromo to investigate - it was purely out of curiosity.

I think Val explained it pretty thoroughly in his latest blog entry on Ash

Still, he's deflecting and says nothing about A3's hole, which is the subject at hand.

Omegamorph
Mar 14, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Reply #882 on: Mar 14, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
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I'd label Rez as the slasher film of the Alien films. It's the bloodiest of the four and contains dark humour.
All of the Alien films follow the Monster-in-the-Basement formula; Alien was inspired in some aspects by Halloween (a slasher film).

TheMonolith
Mar 14, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
Reply #883 on: Mar 14, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
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Some?
The entire final act of Alien follows the final act of Halloween note for note. The only thing missing is a stand in for Pleasence.

Omegamorph
Mar 14, 2012, 06:45:41 PM
Reply #884 on: Mar 14, 2012, 06:45:41 PM
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Said 'some' to play it safe; I have never seen Halloween.
That, and Myers got 'blown out of the goddamn airlock'?

;D

 

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