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Is the tail-attack, an Alien's only strong point against others?

Yes, Aliens are too weak, that's the only way to win matches.
No, stealth based tactics are much more effective.

Author Topic: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-whipping from ...  (Read 1408 times)

Vecrotus

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #15 on: Sep 19, 2011, 09:26:14 PM »
The only real time though when I find the tail-whipping annoying is when two or more aliens gang up on you. You stand no chance. One-on-one, with some experience the tail-whipping is not that much of a challenge.

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #16 on: Oct 28, 2011, 10:59:02 PM »
Sorry for replying for quite an old thread, but, I do agree, tail-whipping in Pyramid is very annoying. Whenever I try to go for a fair kill as a Predator, eg, leap and blades, another one shows no fight and decides to stay on the wall and tail-whips me. Good for stealth, but greatly overused. Other maps it aint so bad.

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #17 on: Oct 29, 2011, 05:37:45 AM »
Well, I get tail-whipped when I am near a wall or the ceiling's too low. So Refinery, the caves in Gateway, the caves in Crash-site, Pyramid (of course) are the places where I get tail-whipped most frequently.
The most annoying this is when an Alien, transitions onto a wall just to tail-whip you.

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #18 on: Nov 04, 2011, 11:19:40 AM »
I don't think it's that bad, I just get the hell away from the wall or ceiling when I see them coming (force them to focus jump at you, block, counter, flash light, light up ;D). It isn't the equivalent of the predator's smart disc or plasma caster amway.  :D

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #19 on: Nov 04, 2011, 09:55:32 PM »
If it is overally abused more and more then it is a bad thing. Whilst I'm actually think that predators are the ones mostly suffering because of this.

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #20 on: Nov 05, 2011, 02:36:52 PM »
The preds could use some sort of weakness; they are so ridiculously overpowered, it's not even funny.

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #21 on: Nov 05, 2011, 03:05:14 PM »
Things maybe working, and things maybe balanced "from certain point of view" in this Rebellions system...

But I think aliens are weak where they should be strong, and strong where they should be
weak, and same or similar "screw ups" apply to just about anything, I am not sure if things
are really working and balanced at all from My point of view but even if they are, they are
certainly working and balanced the wrong way...

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If it was up to me, I would have made the effectiveness of Alien attacks depend on their
health (i.e. If aliens health is at full 100%, their attacks are at their strongest and lower
the health go, the weaker the attacks..)

Wall walk Tail Whip:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 75% of health, and causes knockdown like in Single Player...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 50% of health, cause same kind of mini-stun like claw hit...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, no stun of anykind...

Alien Focus Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 25% of health, preds can block, marines get mini-stun...
Health < 75%  -  Health too low, attack have no effect of anykind...

Alien Claw Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 33% of health, can be blocked, but counter attack not effective...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, can be blocked and countered (by preds...)

So... With these settings, the wisest thing for Marine to do when seeing an Alien, would be
to open fire and either kill it, or weaken it before it can get to you. While with the Rebellions
settings the wisest thing for the Marine to do is to bring up block and just wait until the Alien
to comes to you, and then turn the Aliens own melee moves against it with the Marines
superior karate skills...


And... With these settings, the wisest thing for Alien to do when seeing a Marine would be
to, use Stealth tactics or advanced approaching manoeuvres, to try and get to the Marine
without taking hits and deliver the first move. While with the Rebellions settings the wisest
thing for Alien to do, is to strafe around in circles whipping with WW tail, or to wait at the
optimal focus attack range, untill the marine gets frustrated waiting for the Alien to come
and starts shooting, at which point the Alien can easily take the Marine out with the focus
attack...
« Last Edit: Nov 05, 2011, 03:13:13 PM by AJL »

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #22 on: Nov 05, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »
Things maybe working, and things maybe balanced "from certain point of view" in this Rebellions system...

But I think aliens are weak where they should be strong, and strong where they should be
weak, and same or similar "screw ups" apply to just about anything, I am not sure if things
are really working and balanced at all from My point of view but even if they are, they are
certainly working and balanced the wrong way...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it was up to me, I would have made the effectiveness of Alien attacks depend on their
health (i.e. If aliens health is at full 100%, their attacks are at their strongest and lower
the health go, the weaker the attacks..)

Wall walk Tail Whip:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 75% of health, and causes knockdown like in Single Player...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 50% of health, cause same kind of mini-stun like claw hit...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, no stun of anykind...

Alien Focus Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 25% of health, preds can block, marines get mini-stun...
Health < 75%  -  Health too low, attack have no effect of anykind...

Alien Claw Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 33% of health, can be blocked, but counter attack not effective...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, can be blocked and countered (by preds...)

So... With these settings, the wisest thing for Marine to do when seeing an Alien, would be
to open fire and either kill it, or weaken it before it can get to you. While with the Rebellions
settings the wisest thing for the Marine to do is to bring up block and just wait until the Alien
to comes to you, and then turn the Aliens own melee moves against it with the Marines
superior karate skills...


And... With these settings, the wisest thing for Alien to do when seeing a Marine would be
to, use Stealth tactics or advanced approaching manoeuvres, to try and get to the Marine
without taking hits and deliver the first move. While with the Rebellions settings the wisest
thing for Alien to do, is to strafe around in circles whipping with WW tail, or to wait at the
optimal focus attack range, untill the marine gets frustrated waiting for the Alien to come
and starts shooting, at which point the Alien can easily take the Marine out with the focus
attack...


Previous games/movie marines:"Shit!The xeno is coming!Run!!!!!!!!!!"
AVP3 marines:"just let it comes, I'm a martial art master and knock it down with one hand."

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #23 on: Nov 05, 2011, 05:03:33 PM »
Things maybe working, and things maybe balanced "from certain point of view" in this Rebellions system...

But I think aliens are weak where they should be strong, and strong where they should be
weak, and same or similar "screw ups" apply to just about anything, I am not sure if things
are really working and balanced at all from My point of view but even if they are, they are
certainly working and balanced the wrong way...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If it was up to me, I would have made the effectiveness of Alien attacks depend on their
health (i.e. If aliens health is at full 100%, their attacks are at their strongest and lower
the health go, the weaker the attacks..)

Wall walk Tail Whip:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 75% of health, and causes knockdown like in Single Player...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 50% of health, cause same kind of mini-stun like claw hit...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, no stun of anykind...

Alien Focus Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 25% of health, preds can block, marines get mini-stun...
Health < 75%  -  Health too low, attack have no effect of anykind...

Alien Claw Attack:
Health = 100%  -  Takes 50% of health, preds can block, marines always knocked down...
Health > 75%  -  Takes 33% of health, can be blocked, but counter attack not effective...
Health < 75%  -  Tales 25% of health, can be blocked and countered (by preds...)

So... With these settings, the wisest thing for Marine to do when seeing an Alien, would be
to open fire and either kill it, or weaken it before it can get to you. While with the Rebellions
settings the wisest thing for the Marine to do is to bring up block and just wait until the Alien
to comes to you, and then turn the Aliens own melee moves against it with the Marines
superior karate skills...


And... With these settings, the wisest thing for Alien to do when seeing a Marine would be
to, use Stealth tactics or advanced approaching manoeuvres, to try and get to the Marine
without taking hits and deliver the first move. While with the Rebellions settings the wisest
thing for Alien to do, is to strafe around in circles whipping with WW tail, or to wait at the
optimal focus attack range, untill the marine gets frustrated waiting for the Alien to come
and starts shooting, at which point the Alien can easily take the Marine out with the focus
attack...

Perfect. :)

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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #24 on: Nov 05, 2011, 07:01:16 PM »
Not yet, sorry.

I think that the tail-attack from walls or ceilings should be nerfed when aliens are not silently walking or not moving ir order to surprise to their victim/s.


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Re: Your opinion about the Aliens' tail-...
« Reply #25 on: Nov 07, 2011, 09:55:37 AM »
I think that the tail-attack from walls or ceilings should be nerfed when aliens are not silently walking or not moving ir order to surprise to their victim/s.

Stealth tactics are all nice and good... But they should not be the only way to go...

If Aliens must slowly sneak around to be effective, it may easily lead to a situation
where Aliens all camp in their turf, and Marines all camp in their turf, and those who
want to play, those who get bored of the endless waiting and leave their places of
strenght to look for the action, will be the ones who are fragged and the ones who
wait till judgement day get all the points...

 

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