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The film may be asking way more questions than it can handle and, at times, suffers from an incoherent plot and pacing, but Prometheus maintains itself as an amazing sci-fi spectacle, featuring shining performances from Rapace, Theron, and a particularly engrossing play from Fassbender as the android David.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
Seems there's a lot of mixed opinions. Some love it and some dislike it.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
Seems there's a lot of mixed opinions. Some love it and some dislike it.

Quote from: Kev Loaf on May 28, 2012, 02:30:58 PM
so there appears to be

Spoiler

no link at all to Alien or at least a very confusing one

[close]

French reviews are mixed. I would not be surprised if this is the general consensus. Hope I'm wrong.

It takes something special, like District 9, to blow peoples minds universally.

Quote from: Bigticket on May 28, 2012, 02:40:11 PM
Yep, i think so too. Bunch of idiots expecting to see a stright up Alien prequel and watching the movie and thinking "WTF, wheres alien ? " Ehh , what can u do. I actually dont give a damn about some non Alien fans opinions.

Quote from: boostedlsj on May 28, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
Maybe they werent shown the last 8 mins or whatever  :D

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 28, 2012, 02:43:15 PM

Quote from: boostedlsj on May 28, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
Maybe they werent shown the last 8 mins or whatever  :D

I doubt that. This close to release, it would make more sense to just show everything, I think.

QuoteThe Xenomorphs were created by an ancient race (The Jockey Race) tens of thousands of years ago.  They were fighting among themselves in a brutal civil war.  Their technology was organic in nature and was so powerful, the death toll ran into the millions.  For decades, the war never saw twilight.  It seemed to go on forever...until one side got an idea.

     It was an experiment to create a biomechanical weapon.  It would adapt to its environment, be completely independent...and finally...it would be viscous.  This creature would be a living machine with the most grotesque combination of science and nature.  They created a species bent only of the art of killing.   The experiment was placed on a distant world ("Alien-Proteus").  They designed the species with a hive structure to keep the infestation from running out of control.  The "ant" methodology was promoted.  The object: To keep the infestation under control by keeping the creatures close to their "queen."

     The experiment was a success.  The creatures we know as Xenomorphs were created.  The standard infiltrator mission was as follows: An egg is deposited in a populace, it impregnates, and an alien bursts out of the host and soon finds more hosts which it can convert into eggs which will also hunt down hosts to impregnate.  The creature will kill anything threatening and convert the rest.  Soon, the populace is destroyed and the aliens are left alone on the world or spacecraft where the infestation was released.  It is assumed the Jockeys that created the Xenomorphs had a procedure to eliminate the new infection.

     The Jockeys were ready to unleash their creation on their enemy.   The Proteus planet was still under control.  The experiment seemed safe.  The mother species deposited many life forms to keep their hives intact.  These life forms seemed to reproduce in large numbers.  When needed, a transport would simply set down and pick up a queen, a drone, an army, or just a bunch of eggs as the mission profile specified.  The weapon proved useful and the war ended quickly.

     The Xenomorphs were designed to adapt to current situations but their basic morphology was not to change...it did.  Before the Jockeys could stop their "children", they had evolved.  One small little change, something seemingly insignificant connected to the "ant" structure but not included in the alien design...Royal Jelly—the strange substance used to generate a queen.  When the Jockeys discovered infested worlds where there shouldn't be, they got worried.

     Given the capability to create their own queens, the infestation could not be bottled.  It soon broke out of control.  The Jockeys found their experiment turning against them.  They tried to find a weapon to defeat their own creation but they were already demoralized from a past war.  They sent one last ship to pick up "evolved"    egg samples from the Proteus planet to study...it never came back.

     The Jockey race vanished.  After thousands of years, without transportation, the Xenomorphs quickly overran the planets they were on, then promptly died out.  They might be long lived, but after ten thousand years, even their lifespan ran out.  The eggs fossilized, the bodies disintegrated and the last legacy of the alien species vanished.  The ship from the proteus world crashed landed on a world far away from their Homeworld
   
LV-426 was the world where the lone Jockey ship crashed landed, across the galaxy from their Homeworld.  The Jockey onboard was killed when an alien egg he carried broke free and impregnated him.  Without a pilot, his ship set down on the hostile world.  The stasis fields in the cargo bay were damaged and all but one bay of eggs were unsealed.  They all soon died from exposure.  One bay remained sealed and waited--the last living legacy of a past experiment that failed.

Quote from: Aceburster on May 28, 2012, 02:48:28 PM
  I dunno if anything is being lost in translation but im seeing a lack of "IT SCARED THE $#!^ OUT OF ME!"
 
  Im willing to accept the movie for whatever it turns out to be, but I did expect some genuine horror in the forefront of peoples reactions.

Quote from: Symn on May 28, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Starting to think there's a lot less horror in it then they make us believe

Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 28, 2012, 03:01:10 PM
Starting to feel like this film might have a polarizing effect like Blade Runner (and more recently Watchman.)

Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 28, 2012, 02:59:55 PM
No, we know it already without having seen it. ::)

Quote from: Vulhala on May 28, 2012, 02:47:51 PM
Hmmm. Marmite it is then. Not what I was hoping for. I'll make up my mind when I see it, of course.

Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on May 28, 2012, 03:07:04 PM

Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 28, 2012, 03:01:10 PM
Starting to feel like this film might have a polarizing effect like Blade Runner (and more recently Watchman.)

Definitely agree with this. They've made it a point to mention multiple times in interviews and statements that the movie was going to be more 'intellectual' than Alien, akin to Blade Runner. We may see another 'cult classic' type film here, with mixed reviews in theaters, but a bounce back in sales and audience reviews when the movie is released on DVD and Blu-Ray later on.

Quotevisually beautiful but a dramatic increase chaotic and full of unanswered questions!

Quote* caroline * Prometheus Rather disappointed, as many movies right now, it's visually stunning but there is no real coherent story ... Short form is the top, the bottom is ... blah And that's a shame with a cast and a director as talented!

QuoteWe were expecting very strong Prometheus, the new Ridley Scott film, which serves more or less prequel to Alien. But the first press screening held on Monday in Paris did not make everyone happy (read below) ... Film critics and bloggers who were invited have generally found Prometheus pretty average and all this does not reassure us, but not at all on the film quality.

Quotephilippe @ guedj JohnPlissken

     Prometheus ... Big big beautiful mess slaloming between Z and hypertrophied. WTF the link to Alien? Experience BIZARRE.
     28 May 12

     CloneWeb @ cloneweb

     Cardboard figures, writing problems and strong will to lift the mysteries of Alien ... Bof # prometheus
     28 May 12

     black screen @ ecrannoir

     It is clear that Prometheus # 2-3 passes rating strong ideas (ca lack of rivalries) and target teens with so little anxiety horrific
     28 May 12

     CinémaClubFr @ CinemaClubFr

     # Prometheus: entertainment for the efficient soft science fiction, even when far enough from the power of Alien.
     28 May 12

     William Mondello @ WilliamMondello

     # Prometheus: Very Lostien particularly in its themes, the film would have earned break completely with Alien. The result looks exciting
     28 May 12

     Clap! @ Clapmag

     Released just Prometheus, beautiful object with a few reservations SF # prometheus
     28 May 12

     @ Frederic Murarotto fmurarotto

     At Prometheus loved (though the fact that the 3D shit)
     28 May 12

     Christopher Ramone @ Chris_Ramone

     Prometheus of a chaotic map which opens various approaches (or bullshit) for future consequences. Great visual world.

Quote from: aliennaire on May 28, 2012, 03:25:27 PM

Quotevisually beautiful but a dramatic increase chaotic and full of unanswered questions!

Really like the highlighted phrase!  :)

I guess, we will have something to discuss upon seeing the film, lol! *rubs her hands*

QuoteProject will rarely spilled much ink, raised so many hopes, raised as many fears. Prometheus, a time called Paradise, was to be a prequel to Alien, the eighth passenger, before becoming an independent film, only to anhedral connected by a "common DNA", then the initiator of an autonomous saga. We did not know what to expect, or even whether it was reasonable to place much hope in this hybrid creation, an outgrowth of cult saga in which its creator intended to return. How to find the inventiveness, intelligence and wealth of a work still matrix for an entire segment of contemporary cinema? The answer is manifold, but anyway, take a deep breath, relax, because Prometheus is an excellent film, although as it stands, it seems to have almost as much as Blade Runner Alien.

As the web and the clipboard will logically be ignited between pros and antis, supporters and defenders of the original film of its new iteration, it is worth recalling an essential, at a time when science fiction has suffered Digital scribbles by John Carter or the last Star Wars: Prometheus is magnificent. The film never fails to pay in excess of realism to the Sunshine or the fantastic own maniacal George Lucas. Performance, given the number of creatures and spooky decorations that dot the film. The latter is a rare elegance, and can play his illustrious parentage without the recycle stupidly. Clearly, Scott remembered what made his glory, and tried to give back to its staging some of his pedigree. The most careful design, through a cutting fluid and classy, ​​who knows how heavily loaded with real locations for a tenfold impact, the film is a true piece of art, which our eyes never tire.

There was concern in view of the recent trailers and promotional clips that the movie does layer structure on that of Alien, and left us with a body count that we would know in advance the outcome. Certainly, the parallels are many and obvious, however, is in the registry that Prometheus thematic surprises and / or reassurance. Much more than the feeling of fear is a thought that comes to extend the Blade Runner that we find here. For if Michael Fassbender steals the show from the early impeccable Noomi Rapace, not only because of his flawless playing and his ability to engender fear in the viewer with a simple shrug of an eye, but in this he just prolong the fascinating character of Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) antagonist of the memorable Harrison Ford in adapting the novel by Philip K. Dick. While Batty struggling to meet its creator, and destroyed with rage upon discovering that it was not the omnipotent Almighty he had expected, the android David has passed that stage, it is understood almost instantly, it a machine is well aware of the limits of its creators, and participates in the mission Prometheus in the hope of finally facing a superior entity, able to provide answers that its manufacturers do not have. Do not we say that talent skips a generation? This issue could be the subtitle of the film, as she is also the engine. We may regret that Scott does not explore this issue thoroughly (reserving probably a hypothetical second album), but it illuminates an entire meaning and depth that we could detect in previous androids the company Weyland.

The only real complaint that can be done at Prometheus takes his characters, too functional. Indeed, except for two brilliant Rapace and Fassbender, the rest of the cast simply purely mechanical roles, all well understood, but whose identification or empathy are more weaklings. This is perhaps the limits of a script that had too much to do in such short duration (less than two hours), and threw all his strength in battle without a thank you with our a priori, fantasies and memories magnified. We are not in fact take away from the idea that some essential sequences have been deleted, just between the characters, who have allowed their relationship to be completely embodied.

Prometheus is not a sequel, a reboot, or a rehash of Alien, there is another film, the promise of an exciting new saga, and it seems a rich bestiary no less terrifying, that we long to discover further. Signs of this undeniable success? New unanswered questions, questions that we already inflamed the spirit (but good god what is that this fresco? And this fall with the thing green? The wonderful introduction tells us she a act of rebellion or the first part of a plan gone awry?), and essentially a quality film, one to close the film on its image the most beautiful and exciting.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
First review is out: http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_review-read-24513-157891.php (http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_review-read-24513-157891.php). It scored 4/5.

Via Google translate:

QuoteProject will rarely spilled much ink, raised so many hopes, raised as many fears. Prometheus, a time called Paradise, was to be a prequel to Alien, the eighth passenger, before becoming an independent film, only to anhedral connected by a "common DNA", then the initiator of an autonomous saga. We did not know what to expect, or even whether it was reasonable to place much hope in this hybrid creation, an outgrowth of cult saga in which its creator intended to return. How to find the inventiveness, intelligence and wealth of a work still matrix for an entire segment of contemporary cinema? The answer is manifold, but anyway, take a deep breath, relax, because Prometheus is an excellent film, although as it stands, it seems to have almost as much as Blade Runner Alien.

As the web and the clipboard will logically be ignited between pros and antis, supporters and defenders of the original film of its new iteration, it is worth recalling an essential, at a time when science fiction has suffered Digital scribbles by John Carter or the last Star Wars: Prometheus is magnificent. The film never fails to pay in excess of realism to the Sunshine or the fantastic own maniacal George Lucas. Performance, given the number of creatures and spooky decorations that dot the film. The latter is a rare elegance, and can play his illustrious parentage without the recycle stupidly. Clearly, Scott remembered what made his glory, and tried to give back to its staging some of his pedigree. The most careful design, through a cutting fluid and classy, ​​who knows how heavily loaded with real locations for a tenfold impact, the film is a true piece of art, which our eyes never tire.

There was concern in view of the recent trailers and promotional clips that the movie does layer structure on that of Alien, and left us with a body count that we would know in advance the outcome. Certainly, the parallels are many and obvious, however, is in the registry that Prometheus thematic surprises and / or reassurance. Much more than the feeling of fear is a thought that comes to extend the Blade Runner that we find here. For if Michael Fassbender steals the show from the early impeccable Noomi Rapace, not only because of his flawless playing and his ability to engender fear in the viewer with a simple shrug of an eye, but in this he just prolong the fascinating character of Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) antagonist of the memorable Harrison Ford in adapting the novel by Philip K. Dick. While Batty struggling to meet its creator, and destroyed with rage upon discovering that it was not the omnipotent Almighty he had expected, the android David has passed that stage, it is understood almost instantly, it a machine is well aware of the limits of its creators, and participates in the mission Prometheus in the hope of finally facing a superior entity, able to provide answers that its manufacturers do not have. Do not we say that talent skips a generation? This issue could be the subtitle of the film, as she is also the engine. We may regret that Scott does not explore this issue thoroughly (reserving probably a hypothetical second album), but it illuminates an entire meaning and depth that we could detect in previous androids the company Weyland.

The only real complaint that can be done at Prometheus takes his characters, too functional. Indeed, except for two brilliant Rapace and Fassbender, the rest of the cast simply purely mechanical roles, all well understood, but whose identification or empathy are more weaklings. This is perhaps the limits of a script that had too much to do in such short duration (less than two hours), and threw all his strength in battle without a thank you with our a priori, fantasies and memories magnified. We are not in fact take away from the idea that some essential sequences have been deleted, just between the characters, who have allowed their relationship to be completely embodied.

Prometheus is not a sequel, a reboot, or a rehash of Alien, there is another film, the promise of an exciting new saga, and it seems a rich bestiary no less terrifying, that we long to discover further. Signs of this undeniable success? New unanswered questions, questions that we already inflamed the spirit (but good god what is that this fresco? And this fall with the thing green? The wonderful introduction tells us she a act of rebellion or the first part of a plan gone awry?), and essentially a quality film, one to close the film on its image the most beautiful and exciting.

Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 28, 2012, 03:17:48 PM
I will judge for myself, to hell with the critics.  ;D

However it does seem that people are hoping for another 'Aliens'  :(

QuoteInitially, this film is a prequel to Alien, the 8th passenger (1979). A story before the story. But the plot has been transformed along the way to become independent. Even if the pitch is usually a real introduction to the entire Alien saga.


Prometheus is filmed in 3D, as in space nobody can hear you scream this and well known, the production promises an adrenaline rush.


But in fact, bah blah! Humanoid entities we have created to decide subsequently to annihilate us with a weapon of mass destruction (we see the latest pictures, only real fun of the film) who eventually turn against the "gods" in question.


To me, the movie never really begins: I heard during 2:03 a true start so I can actually go into the story. This has never happened. I must recognize that the images and photographs are absolutely gorgeous, really beautiful. But, in my eyes at least, a movie, it's also a story. That is, nonexistent here. This is a compilation of everything that could be done in SF and space opera.


It's really a shame to waste so much money ($ 150 million budget anyway) and talent (the entire cast has been misused and the director can do much better: Blade Runner Gladiator). In short, not very good film that lacks dynamism, with no real identity, but more importantly, who could have, should have made ​​exceptional given the financial, logistical and human resources used.

QuoteOn Monday, we had been invited to the premiere of Prometheus. It is with high hopes that we will see this film, awaited by a large community of movie lovers. Verdict ...

Needless to say, Prometheus is a very good film. Still happy when we have the famous Ridley Scott behind the camera. This great man is the source of all religions feature films like Blade Runner, Hannibal, The Black Hawk Down, American Gangster, or Robin Hood. If you've seen most of these films (and all), you know that the producer likes to take his time. The plot thread gradually, the questions pile up ... Prometheus pummels us a little mind. Why? Simply because it addresses an ethical issue very clear: Darwinism is it a plausible theory?

First things first. This film tells the story of a team of explorers who discovers a clue to the origin of mankind on Earth. This theory completely destroys those of Darwinism and creationism. In search of truth, the team left for an expedition deep in the galaxy, on the ship Prometheus, to discover another planet livable. We hide it? Prometheus is not new. Indeed, he openly draws from Alien passenger Ridley Scott (my word it's everywhere!) With more action. What is more normal when it is a prequel to the same film ...

Some passages are taken from Alien Vs. Predator (which did not participate in our filmmaker). It goes without saying that lovers of the genre will love! For other fans of science fiction, Prometheus is a movie to watch. Indeed, the special effects are simply bluffing and the cast is choice (Guy Pearce, Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Appt'd Raptors, ...). To tell you, the crew put the package on the budget. It monopolized over 5500 square meters of buildings owned by Pinewood Studios (UK) and generated sets as large as the Empire State Building!

Finally, because we should not spoil the film, Prometheus is a must-see for fans of the Alien and a very good movie for lovers of sci-fi. See the movies is even more addictive. After, if you do not like the long explorations without a ton of action and you're a hardcore Catholic, do not come to complain, you've been warned! Prometheus fate in our theaters on May 30th.

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
I'm having a strong feeling this movie is gonna get the same reviews as Alien Resurrection, the more I think about it.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 04:08:21 PM
Another positive review: http://www.cenoctet.com/critique-prometheus/ (http://www.cenoctet.com/critique-prometheus/)

QuoteOn Monday, we had been invited to the premiere of Prometheus. It is with high hopes that we will see this film, awaited by a large community of movie lovers. Verdict ...

Needless to say, Prometheus is a very good film. Still happy when we have the famous Ridley Scott behind the camera. This great man is the source of all religions feature films like Blade Runner, Hannibal, The Black Hawk Down, American Gangster, or Robin Hood. If you've seen most of these films (and all), you know that the producer likes to take his time. The plot thread gradually, the questions pile up ... Prometheus pummels us a little mind. Why? Simply because it addresses an ethical issue very clear: Darwinism is it a plausible theory?

First things first. This film tells the story of a team of explorers who discovers a clue to the origin of mankind on Earth. This theory completely destroys those of Darwinism and creationism. In search of truth, the team left for an expedition deep in the galaxy, on the ship Prometheus, to discover another planet livable. We hide it? Prometheus is not new. Indeed, he openly draws from Alien passenger Ridley Scott (my word it's everywhere!) With more action. What is more normal when it is a prequel to the same film ...

Some passages are taken from Alien Vs. Predator (which did not participate in our filmmaker). It goes without saying that lovers of the genre will love! For other fans of science fiction, Prometheus is a movie to watch. Indeed, the special effects are simply bluffing and the cast is choice (Guy Pearce, Charlize Theron, Michael Fassbender, Appt'd Raptors, ...). To tell you, the crew put the package on the budget. It monopolized over 5500 square meters of buildings owned by Pinewood Studios (UK) and generated sets as large as the Empire State Building!

Finally, because we should not spoil the film, Prometheus is a must-see for fans of the Alien and a very good movie for lovers of sci-fi. See the movies is even more addictive. After, if you do not like the long explorations without a ton of action and you're a hardcore Catholic, do not come to complain, you've been warned! Prometheus fate in our theaters on May 30th.

Quote from: GreatKnower on May 28, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
What im getting from it Phantom is they arent saying the movie was crap...they are saying everything is left ambiguous (Lindelof), it doesnt live up to the premise or even relate to Alien in any way that FOX and co have been saying or not saying.

Quote from: zoidy on May 28, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
I think the reactions from people HERE are hilarious, and expected. I'm not sure some of you guys would be happy unless it were a carbon copy of alien lol.

And none of you have seen the film ...

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 28, 2012, 04:15:27 PM

Quote from: zoidy on May 28, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
I think the reactions from people HERE are hilarious, and expected. I'm not sure some of you guys would be happy unless it were a carbon copy of alien lol.

And none of you have seen the film ...

Personally, I'm very excited that its going in its own, unique direction, while still retaining some classic elements of Alien. I've liked everything I've seen in the trailers so far, and, like I said in my post above, really can't wait to see the new ideas and concepts that Prometheus brings to the table.

Quote from: zoidy on May 28, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
I think the reactions from people HERE are hilarious, and expected. I'm not sure some of you guys would be happy unless it were a carbon copy of alien lol.

And none of you have seen the film ...

Quote from: Ruzena on May 28, 2012, 04:25:30 PM
Or change the name galaxy versus lindelof

Quote from: fiveways on May 28, 2012, 04:09:25 PM
Honestly, I expected this.  It's scifi on the horror end of things, it tends to polarize people.

I honestly am starting to wonder if they showed the last 8 minutes.  Wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if they didn't show it till the north american debut just to keep spoilers from happening.

And a rather huge slap in the face.

I am starting to get happy at the reviews.  Lots of unanswered questions, lots of pissed off people.  Lots of weirdness for the sake of it.  This is starting to sound more and more like my kinda movie.  Maybe he really did go to the "Jodorowsky's Dune" bag of tricks.

Quote from: Blacklabel on May 28, 2012, 04:26:22 PM
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, of course... but opinions can be idiotic, wrong headed and misinformed.

So keep that in mind while reading reviews ;)

QuotePerplexity ... It's still a strange feeling ... It's always exciting to ask a million questions about the movie we just even ... The thing that is wrong with PROMETHEUS is that arises loop the wrong question ... Why?? Why was this film attached to the ALIEN saga while his "originality" is blatant ... That will cause the dosh (that's why they do it?!) But it serves the movie completely ... Attempts PROMETHEUS connect to his more or less illustrious elders are the Z and nawesque hoax! Why? Why this scenario nonsensical chain which is unrelated scenes together just because they are spectacular. Why so many plots left in abeyance ... Why are so many issues in question in questions ... And never answers brothel ... Attention sign the guy Ridley still panting a film, visually stunning (this thing smashes all current blockbuster) good good shock at times, and performed with conviction ... But in this kind of film pitch at mystical-philosophical-thingy about the meaning of life everything is played in the final ... this prevents the sinking of Mongolian MISSION TO MARS ... But Ridley does seems absolutely know what to do with his script ... Result ... they ask questions and there is no further ahead ... The perplexity brothel ... It's still a strange feeling ...

Quoteempts PROMETHEUS connect to his more or less illustrious elders are the Z and nawesque hoax! Why? Why this scenario nonsensical chain which is unrelated scenes together just because they are spectacular. Why so many plots left in abeyance ..

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 04:36:20 PM

Quoteempts PROMETHEUS connect to his more or less illustrious elders are the Z and nawesque hoax! Why? Why this scenario nonsensical chain which is unrelated scenes together just because they are spectacular. Why so many plots left in abeyance ..

Uhhhh....what?

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 04:36:20 PM

Quoteempts PROMETHEUS connect to his more or less illustrious elders are the Z and nawesque hoax! Why? Why this scenario nonsensical chain which is unrelated scenes together just because they are spectacular. Why so many plots left in abeyance ..

Uhhhh....what?

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 04:36:20 PM
Uhhhh....what?

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 04:36:20 PM

Quoteempts PROMETHEUS connect to his more or less illustrious elders are the Z and nawesque hoax! Why? Why this scenario nonsensical chain which is unrelated scenes together just because they are spectacular. Why so many plots left in abeyance ..

Uhhhh....what?

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
It already has better reviews than either Blade Runner or Alien upon release :P

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 04:38:08 PM

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 28, 2012, 04:36:20 PM
Uhhhh....what?

Behold the wonders of BabelFish.

Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Laughing really hard at the people blaming Lindelof for Prometheus having unanswered questions. I thought we all understood by now, that he wrote the story exactly how Ridley wanted to. Nothing less, nothing more. If the film has unanswered questions,open ending, more or less monsters/action it's because Ridley dictated every single aspect of the story and it's flow to Spaihts and Lindelof. I guess several videos with interviews from Ridley, Spaihts and Lindelof just isn't enough. People still love to make their own story in their head and promote it as gospel truth.

So far from al these reviews and tweets i get that some people were surprised by the connection to alien, others were dissapointed there wasn't enough action big moments for a blockbuster. Others love the 3d and think it adds to the story, and some were dissapointed by the 3d. Most of them loved the visuals and effects. Others love the performances in the movie, others only liked Rapace and Fassbender and dissapointed on the rest. On the story it seems some liked it and found it epic, other were dissapointed, either by lack of answers or clichees.

Basically it depends on every reviewer and his taste in a specific genre of movie, passion for the director and so on, so i'm not trusting anyone of them. And this because they are all contradicting each other. The best judge will be my own person when i'll see it.

And lol again at the people who only filter out the bad reviews and think they are the only accurate ones, just because they conform to a preconception they have

Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Laughing really hard at the people blaming Lindelof for Prometheus having unanswered questions. I thought we all understood by now, that he wrote the story exactly how Ridley wanted to. Nothing less, nothing more. If the film has unanswered questions,open ending, more or less monsters/action it's because Ridley dictated every single aspect of the story and it's flow to Spaihts and Lindelof. I guess several videos with interviews from Ridley, Spaihts and Lindelof just isn't enough. People still love to make their own story in their head and promote it as gospel truth.

So far from al these reviews and tweets i get that some people were surprised by the connection to alien, others were dissapointed there wasn't enough action big moments for a blockbuster. Others love the 3d and think it adds to the story, and some were dissapointed by the 3d. Most of them loved the visuals and effects. Others love the performances in the movie, others only liked Rapace and Fassbender and dissapointed on the rest. On the story it seems some liked it and found it epic, other were dissapointed, either by lack of answers or clichees.

Basically it depends on every reviewer and his taste in a specific genre of movie, passion for the director and so on, so i'm not trusting anyone of them. And this because they are all contradicting each other. The best judge will be my own person when i'll see it.

And lol again at the people who only filter out the bad reviews and think they are the only accurate ones, just because they conform to a preconception they have

Quote from: PHANTOM on May 28, 2012, 04:25:47 PM
I won't start freaking out until rottentomatoes shows 25% near Prometheus on release day, until then all these Frenchy reviews remain....

Frenchy.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
The main complaint seems to be that the characters have no development - a critique levelled at Alien. Then there's a hoohah over there being unanswered threads; the film is apparently vague. Kinda like ... do I even need to say? Ah I'll see it for myself Thursday night anyhow.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
Ya know, Alien got some pretty shitty reviews back in it's time too.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
The main complaint seems to be that the characters have no development - a critique levelled at Alien. Then there's a hoohah over there being unanswered threads; the film is apparently vague. Kinda like ... do I even need to say? Ah I'll see it for myself Thursday night anyhow.

QuoteRidley Scott is a director adored but yet if you look closer, you realize he still has a career sawtooth pattern to plunge. The first feature films (The Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner) were successes, but his filmography then declined, while punctuated with flashes of genius (Gladiator, Black Hawk Down). It is therefore increasingly difficult to compare the film debut of Scott's Robin Hood unhappy.
See him return to the franchise that made him famous was not a sure bet, especially since it has sold the film as something different, a different story in the universe 'Alien prequel but no one.

The opening scene of the film is there to show us that since we will fly over landscapes reminiscent of Scotland or Ireland, without knowing where we are. We discover a humanoid size larger than normal to watch a spaceship to fly. It is certain there will not be in the dark world of Eighth Passenger, especially since it will enchainer with terrestrial discoveries explaining the Prometheus space travel to a system far removed from ours.
It's not really a spoiler to say that it is at the invitation of a group of scientific beings embarked for adventure, led by the company Weyland. Beings in question, we soon discover, strongly resemble the famous Space Jockey from Alien, the creature that Ripley and his friends discover seated at what appears to be a big telescope.

It is ultimately in the Alien universe but are not and that feeling will follow us throughout the film. Indeed, the history written by Damon Lindelof, who is also Cowboys and Invaders must and would have probably been better off staying in the world of television, will spend his time having his ass between two chairs. Prometheus is actually a prequel without being: for more than two hours, we will explain the origin of the aliens while trying not to do so.
It has two problems: the first is that the justifications are generally uninteresting in themselves but they also want obscure enough to replace a layer of mystery by another. We explain but hideout under a layer of weirdness.
The second problem is to ask why? The main interest of the first Alien is its mystery, these horrible creatures come we do not know where or why they are there. Did we really need to know how they were born? Are we not here a desire to spoil the pleasure of the viewer? As long as you make a movie in the universe, could not we focus on the Space Jockeys not do everything so that the film resembles the first installment of the franchise.
Yet this is what happens because everything, all the time, is reminiscent of Alien. We will show us different creatures that resemble either the embryo or the face-hugger, visually different but remember the small details. And one of the characters will necessarily a creature certainly different but still in the belly ... Not to mention the famous late announced as the link with Alien, what we see from the beginning unfortunately.

Passengers wanting to look like the Eighth might have been quality. Unfortunately, Lindelof is not able to hold the length. His script is laced with inconsistencies and it kills in the bud every good idea or every time the hero began to get interesting, since each of them die like shit without having time to enjoy it.
It is clearly not capable of writing characters rather than just as the crew of the Prometheus is cardboard. Some scenes of the characters discover that they had never seen before (though it is in a kind of camera) and even the main characters have no real interest. One wonders what is Charlize Theron. Remains Noomi Rapace who comes out honorably, and Michael Fassbender and Idris Elba perfect as usual.

Fortunately for the viewer, Ridley Scott is not a penguin. If the film suffers the same defects as Robin Hood, the man can hold a camera and some scenes are enjoyable to watch, sometimes involved. 3D is very friendly and the special effects are without the slightest mistake.
But that's not enough to save the sinking of Prometheus. Our only hope to see Scott return to a franchise that made him famous and do it right now based on the result of Blade Runner, fortunately without Lindelof and his bad pen.

David, the character of Michael Fassbender in the film, said that "every great story has a small beginning." This is unfortunately the case here and the door open to a second aspect is not there to reassure us.

QuoteThe negative reviews:

@ Ecrannoir Clearly Prometheus passes score 2-3 strong ideas (ca lack of rivalries) and target teens with so little anxiety horrific.

@ Prometheus PlaceToBe_fr Ridley Scott is a big disappointment for a film truly means when there was the potential!

@ Prometheus JohnPlissken ... Big big mess slaloming between beautiful and Z hypertrophied. WTF the link to Alien? Experience BIZARRE.

@ Truise Long and boring, with all the clichés of science fiction scenario in which a super-awaited and no effort of credibility. Big disappointment!

The positive and negative reviews:

@ Cloneweb The film has its moments but Ridley Scott is no longer period. Cardboard figures, writing problems and strong will to lift the mysteries of Alien ... Humph!

@ Cliffhangertwit Visually very nice but a dramatic increase chaotic and full of unanswered questions! A review!

@ Chris_Ramone Projection chaotic Prometheus opens a variety of tracks (or bullshit) for future consequences. Great visual world.

@ BertyRocher Visually sumptuous, not without time narcotics (or poetical) played well, Prometheus disappoints by its accumulation of clichés.

@ MrLichi Pretty weird but interesting, and certainly not the expected shock and promised in the trailers and the like. Prometheus is sublime in his side purely SF, but Ridley Scott wanders into his mythology of Alien.

@ Kasilla Tip: do not go thinking Prometheus see a prequel to Alien. There's cool stuff but qq c mess AND IT IS NOT AN 'ALIEN'!

Output @ Clapmag just Prometheus, beautiful object to SF with a few reservations.

The positive reviews:

@ CyrilSauvageot In terms of pure SF - aesthetic inventiveness, references to the classics, Prometheus is a real success. Finally a great science fiction film, the first for some time (Moon? District 9?)

@ Raphale Prometheus takes almost all its promises ... Friends geeks, everyone will hear you kiffer!

@ ComingSooner I just take a big Mandale in full face, he will have few days to recover ... Prometheus # # cestdelabombe

@ WilliamMondello Very Lostien particularly in its themes, the film would have earned break completely with Alien. The result looks exciting!

Quote from: Vickers on May 28, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
I just want to knooooooow what real fans of Alien think of it.  I just want to know if it's gooooood.  These reviews so far are terribly written.

QuoteIt is therefore natural that this scenario is imposed   Prometheus, on the search for human origins through extra-HR Group (bah ah yes, science fiction anyway eh). From the first images and trailer, fans shouted at Alien prequel (a prequel is a film that traces the origins of another). Ridley Scott was defending himself, he did not think that his fans see the birth of the famous Aliens and why and how. He had just accepted that the visual world was the same and indeed, the end of Prometheus launched the Alien saga.

A complex history

Between the synopsis and poster tag line "the search for our origins could lead to our demise", the film clearly announced color: we may have been created by aliens. Well ... Despite a long story a little to start, it was soon aboard the Prometheus and learn only once on board the original exploration but without great depth yet.

Initially, the entire band in outer space on the beliefs of a couple of archaeologists (played by Elizabeth Shaw Noomi Rapace and Charlie Holloway played by Logan Marshall-Green) who noticed some commonalities in various frescoes of the history. These points represent a planetary system with a sun and a planet that could harbor life apparently, and as if by chance we find in the depths of the galaxy after 2 years of sleep in box. We will not know more: or how they found these planets in the universe, or why they think they are our creators ... There will also be a story of aliens like us, the critters not nice at all, a surprise character ... And since I do not want to spoiler the story, I would not say more.

Moreover, throughout the film, it is history that will default because no angle is treated thoroughly and spring a little and say "shit, I have not get it! Who was that , who did what, that was really bad, what becomes of it? .. etc ".

The elements are not lacking, nor the action. Every 10 minutes, a new fact will be added to the scenario, creating a very confusing present. And finally, there is not much to understand. One gets the impression that the writers are parts of several ideas + the influence of Alien (as it is clearly present) and finally, not knowing what to choose, they tried to combine everything into one movie. Too bad ...

Visually shared

Ridley Scott has never disappointed us in his films visually speaking. From costumes to sets through a world still very strong, he has always made us forget the green funds. And if we know that Prometheus was shot in a setting almost virtual, we can not help but take in their eyes.

3D is nice, it does not interfere. It can boost the depths but sometimes makes it a little difficult deciphering the dark decorations. Thank goodness, because even if the film sends the block level graph, we were very disappointed to particulir scene: the "decoration" of the control room of creators. Walls that have wanted to design a resume Alien but more like the cardboard / 80's than anything else. Even the decor of Alien ago 20 + years was most successful ...

... Despite a promising cast! A reluctant crew to the mission and that does not react more than that to the discovery of extraterrestrials. It was not even a curious biologist for a penny, that does not care that can foul up Darwin's theory.

Then, the cool beauty (it's nothing to say) Meredith Vickers played by Charlize Theron, who is not used much except make decisions heartless bitch during the mission. Fortunately, it was David, played by the excellent Michael Fassbender, the service robot that will f**k you over miquettes the film. I do not want spoilers but fans of Ridley Scott know what happen to robots in his films ... Here, you know ;-)

It was a challenge to take Noomi Rapace (after his success of the Swedish version of Millenium) in lead role. It is she who is doing the best with Fassbender. It would have required more frustrated, more dedicated to the doubt between beliefs (yes, we like this Catholic service) and what she discovers, but again, it's flat, we do not dig more it ... And if I venture to compare with Alien, the character is not worth a quarter of Ripley (played by Sigourney Weaver). I do not even speak the character's surprise unproductive and the captain will have a significant short while towards the end, but otherwise it barely exists.

Alien prequel or not?

I had already spoken after the press conference and my opinion has not changed. But the similarities are still striking (the sets, female central character and I advise you to stay until the end though ;-) Do not go there with a view "I'm gonna see a new Alien" because you will very disappointed, but the many nods to the saga are very nice!

The little things that could have saved the movie

Clearly, you guessed it: I was very disappointed. Leaving the room, we discussed among film bloggers and when we asked "so, do you thought what?" we did not know what to say. Mixed between the desire to say "shit I did not understand" and "it was a scenario no booze?". We all agree that visually it snaps, we're happy to see a SciFi Ridley Scott, but that was expected more. Again, Alien aside, we are not satisfied with the film itself.

It could have been raised by an amazing soundtrack: we still remember the theme music heavy and chilling Alien, or the incredible soundtrack of Gladiator (I quote these examples because it is as a director of two movies that 'we sold it on the poster), but no. The music is nice, goes well with the film, but nothing stands out.

We could have had a little more mystery. With bugs, aliens, the death of certain characters, even the last frame of late ... There too, it seems they wanted to cram everything in this film to make us understand things or show us that they had 12,000 ideas. Unfortunately, a little too kills the film.

In conclusion

As a viewer and irregular amateur movies, blockbusters like that, you'll like Prometheus. There is no doubt about that. If you watched Alien years ago and that you liked, you may also like Prometheus. If you are a fan of SciFi occasonnel, you may also like. But if you're a fan of Ridley Scott, the disappointment may be at the rendezvous. Get ready, it's still a good movie, but not the masterpiece which was expected ...

QuoteAnd if I venture to compare with Alien, the character is not worth a quarter of Ripley (played by Sigourney Weaver). I do not even speak the character's surprise unproductive and the captain will have a significant short while towards the end, but otherwise it barely exists.

QuoteRidley Scott is a director adored but yet if you look closer, you realize he still has a career sawtooth pattern to plunge. The first feature films (The Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner) were successes

Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 28, 2012, 04:58:56 PM

Quote from: Vickers on May 28, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
I just want to knooooooow what real fans of Alien think of it.  I just want to know if it's gooooood.  These reviews so far are terribly written.

No they're not, just badly translated (no doubt with Google Translate).

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:08:52 PM
From one of the reviews:

QuoteRidley Scott is a director adored but yet if you look closer, you realize he still has a career sawtooth pattern to plunge. The first feature films (The Duellists, Alien, Blade Runner) were successes

Actually, only Alien was a success there. Duellists faded into obscurity and BR was lambasted as Blood Runner and Blade Crawler.

QuoteDisappointing, obviously disappointing. Thirty-three years later, Ridley Scott returns to the sources of the sprawling universe he had created in Alien. A prequel, then, but who does not know where to turn. Constantly hesitating between a sci-fi original (and beautifully brought to life) and a reinterpretation of the origins of the myth, Prometheus is dispersed among its too many questions (some intriguing) and choke points that attempt to illuminate the mystery of each first film. The worst part is that you realize that the end is a prequel of prequel, and that the film alone will not build at all. The screenplay, co-written by the always cryptic Damon Lindelof (Lost), is lyrical at first, but terribly rough on the end. A broken promise by Scott, who, despite his immense talent visual, failed to capture the terror that made the enigmatic force that remains as one of his masterpieces.

Quote from: Vickers on May 28, 2012, 05:10:30 PM

Quote from: JonesTheCat on May 28, 2012, 04:58:56 PM

Quote from: Vickers on May 28, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
I just want to knooooooow what real fans of Alien think of it.  I just want to know if it's gooooood.  These reviews so far are terribly written.

No they're not, just badly translated (no doubt with Google Translate).

I get that but I mean they're all over the place.

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
Looks like the truth may come true Prometheus is gonna have mixed reviews like Alien Resurrection.

This movie can possibly get a 63% atleast.

QuoteDisappointing, obviously disappointing. Thirty-three years later, Ridley Scott returns to the sources of the sprawling universe he had created in Alien. A prequel, then, but who does not know where to turn. Constantly hesitating between a sci-fi original (and beautifully brought to life) and a reinterpretation of the origins of the myth, Prometheus is dispersed among its too many questions (some intriguing) and choke points that attempt to illuminate the mystery of each first film. The worst part is that you realize that the end is a prequel of prequel, and that the film alone will not build at all. The screenplay, co-written by the always cryptic Damon Lindelof (Lost), is lyrical at first, but terribly rough on the end. A broken promise by Scott, who, despite his immense talent visual, failed to capture the terror that made the enigmatic force that remains as one of his masterpieces.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 05:14:27 PM
If I read one more of these vaguey vagueness traps i'm going to spit on my monitior.

"It's vague and it doesn't live up to expectations" A review does not make.  >:(


The big question that most of these reviews are failing to answer is why.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 05:14:27 PM
If I read one more of these vaguey vagueness traps i'm going to spit on my monitior.

"It's vague and it doesn't live up to expectations" A review does not make.  >:(


The big question that most of these reviews are failing to answer is why.

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 05:11:07 PM
Duellists was successful critically, at least.
Even if it is a Barry Lyndon wannabe.

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
For people saying the French don't know what they're talking about complaining about the film being vague or having unanswered questions? These are the people who revere David Lynch as a god.

Think about that.

Worrying.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:20:38 PM
I loved Twin Peaks until it fell to pieces in Season 2.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:20:38 PM
As for French-bashing, you should've seen the threads during the early Predators reviews. It was full blown retaliative xenophobia  :-\

Quote"The concept of PROMETHEUS began with a silhouette that was visible briefly in ALIEN, THE PASSENGER eighth, and seemed to be forgotten as soon as the anhedral which gives the film its title arose - literally - in the history. But this mysterious being, this giant creature fossilized in open-chest known as the Space Jockey - remained firmly rooted in the memory of the man who gave him life.
Ridley Scott says: "Since ALIEN, THE PASSENGER eighth, an idea had not stopped me turning in my head: what was the mystery behind this? Who was this creature? Where was she? What was its mission? What technologies it mastered its kind? These questions seemed to be an interesting springboard for ideas most fascinating yet. "
It is true that Prometheus began a few years ago as a project of prequel
ALIEN, THE PASSENGER eighth, before evolving into something else, "to a new universe," as explained by Ridley Scott. The film raises new questions and is defined by new ideas, themes that have captivated the imagination of the great director.
Ridley Scott notes: "The creative process that has shaped the development of the film has created a new mythology, magnificent, which is part of this original story. Most fans will recognize in this film strands of DNA ALIEN, THE PASSENGER eighth, but the ideas tackled by PROMETHEUS are unique, they are far reaching and sobering. PROMETHEUS was the singular story I was looking for. "


Based on this observation, Prometheus can be chronicled as a film related to the mythology of Alien or as feature-length science fiction that stands on its own.

As an independent film, Prometheus is a nice visual slap, with a certain amount of reflection and incredible sequences. However, it suffers the same defects of blockbusters, including inconsistencies in the story: A character supposed to have no problem with some gadgets orientation is lost; Elizabeth Shaw (N Oomi Raptor) knows a little too much. She knows how to handle all electronic devices, find secret rooms ... ; Characters, terrified 15 minutes earlier and identified clues alerting them that nothing is going where they are (more difficult to light a pile of corpses), will make mumuse with an alien creature to advance the History ...
Inconsistencies that can spoil a projection for some. What is all the more damage they could have been easily avoided. There is there one among all those paid thousands of dollars to have read the script to notice these things?

Another disappointment, Ridley Scott had promised a film as terrifying as the first Alien, while the rest of the saga had led to action. Apart from one or two disturbing scenes or anthology, Prometheus is not scary. Damage.

The film remains good enough for you who read this article go see in theaters.

Things go bad if you just connected to the first Alien: if one has not read the production notes (which will be the case 99.99% of viewers) or if one is not careful a single detail, including the name of the planet where the story takes place (which should be the case for much of the public) will attempt to relate the history and scenery of the film to those of Alien passenger. It is not necessary: ​​Prometheus's action takes place on LV-223 and that of Alien on LV-426. These are not the same planets. Hence the apparent differences cargoes alien spacecraft that could be noted in the trailers of Prometheus.
Prometheus consists of numerous gray areas. So much so that the vessel's captain, Janek (Idris Elba), apparently struck by divine grace, tells everyone, including spectators, the nature and purpose of the place they explore. Other lack of clarity in the plot raise many questions that do not have aruaient not need a 2 or a Prometheus Prometheus Extended Edition for their responses.
Inconsistency aside, we regret that ignorance of the Weyland-Yutani Alien in regard to the possible existence of extraterrestrial creatures remains unexplained.

Finally, Prometheus does not seem to stand on its own and you end up with a hybrid film, Scott has held partly to hang up the cars with Alien, certain passages bordering the remake. It might have been better to keep the basic idea of Prometheus (scientists across the world to go on a planet they think is the birthplace of the creators of humanity) and dropping entirely the Space Jockey also tempting is the idea of ​​exploring its history and that of his family.

In summary: Prometheus is a good sci-fiction for adults need to see at least once in the room, if only for the opening scene and a few other highlights of the film.

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 05:21:29 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:20:38 PM
I loved Twin Peaks until it fell to pieces in Season 2.

Spoiler

...but 'dat finale. 8)

[close]

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 05:22:51 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:20:38 PM
As for French-bashing, you should've seen the threads during the early Predators reviews. It was full blown retaliative xenophobia  :-\

I hate morons universally. I don't give a damn what flag they hail under.  :)

QuoteElizabeth Shaw (NOomi Raptor) knows a little too much. She knows how to handle all electronic devices

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
Elizabeth Shaw (N Oomi Raptor) knows a little too much.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
Noomi Raptor

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 05:30:54 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
Noomi Raptor

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg225.imageshack.us%2Fimg225%2F5105%2F141velociraptor.jpg&hash=920128c2d4272a774b03f3219322de08d565a494)

Boot up the door locks!

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 05:32:12 PM
We only got two weeks left for June 8th, its just a matter of time for true american reviews to be made.

Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 05:37:48 PM

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 05:32:12 PM
We only got two weeks left for June 8th, its just a matter of time for true american reviews to be made.

What is a true american review? i still remember ROGER EBERT's review of The Avengers. Critics suck

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
And now we witness the birth of 2,000 Noomi Raptor memes charging the internet through the long grass. :laugh:

Edit - Aww OpanMaw with the Quickmeme McGraw!  Lol my internet hiccuped and I'm already behind the times. :laugh:

Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 28, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
The French are good people and I refuse to discredit them, they have awesome history of cinema.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 05:43:13 PM

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
And now we witness the birth of 2,000 Noomi Raptor memes charging the internet through the long grass. :laugh:

Edit - Aww OpanMaw with the Quickmeme McGraw!  Lol my internet hiccuped and I'm already behind the times. :laugh:

Things are about to get real heated up around here. "Can you feel it comin' in the air toniiight?"  ;D

Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 28, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
The French are good people and I refuse to discredit them, they have awesome history of cinema.

I'll discredit anyone who writes a bad review. Translation hiccups aside, these are so incredibly vague. Whether they're good people or not. Be a good critic, or get out of the critic business. Right?  :)

It's not even that i'm defensive about Prometheus, either. I'm really not. It's just... Speak to the reasons why you feel X and Y are bad, vague, poorly realized, etc...

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 05:46:21 PM
I agree, Maw, but honestly find most movie critics to be just like that.  French or any other country, the majority of them are simply filled with hot air, personal opinions with no info to back them up, and sad attempts at humor.

You see this in American reviews daily.  Very few critics do I trust to actually go down the list and analyze a film.  It's just not like that, which is why movie crits have the sad reputation that they rightly deserve.

Ebert is a big exception, but even he won't necessarily analyze the film bit-by-bit, but rather give you a general overview and then tell you how he felt about it, and you can trust him for the most part because he's very experienced and clear on his thoughts.

QuoteRidley Scott is a director apart, as evidenced by the projection of this press Whit Monday for his latest film, Prometheus. Everyone expected the film on the Croisette but it was unfamiliar with the character who flatly refused. Here we are in the audience at the Gaumont Marignan, even where we had been invited to present the film in the presence of the cast a few weeks earlier.

In space no one can hear you scream. A simple sentence to a monument of science fiction concocted by one of the greatest American filmmakers of our time: Ridley Scott. 33 years is the time it took to wait for this talented filmmaker gives not a sequel but a prequel to his masterpiece of anxiety: Prometheus. And the wait has not been idle on the contrary, this new film giving an incredible revival peps and the world of sf already shaken by the recent avatar of another visionary and genius of James Cameron's image. Prometheus is an invitation, as so aptly Noomi Rapace in the film, a departure to another world, an experience, a journey to the origins of man. Chaining with the missing Alien? Yes and no. If of course and we teach you anything, liaison with the Alien first name is obvious, in the dying minutes of the film, RS also gives us other avenues where we will not reply. But Prometheus is above all an atmosphere and in this we revel in the heavy atmosphere which settles on the film, the tension palpable, suspicions, questions, fears and fears. With Ridley Scott is not doing in the half-measure and the film leaves you no respite, 2 hours of pure entertainment with stunning picture. Rarely has more beautiful, more special effects push the limits of nconcevable if we return to the origins of Alien in 1979. A feast for the eyes and oreilels, because if the ship, sets, monsters will you take off the ward, what about the sound environment just daunting. Explosions, vessel noise, a sound environment and stunning musical theme sublime back from time to time in the film.

The cast is very interesting, Michael Fassbender in the lead, a humanoid robot embodying the real thing. Noomi Rapace again demonstrates his talent, not to mention Charlize Theron or Idris Elba. Ridley Scott never does things by halves and gives a prequel to his film while using the 3D, which brings a 3D spurts but not real deep, very nice asset to this métrage.On did not reveal more about history that promise many surprises. Prometheus is the film that we waited a further descent into a world visceral science-fictionnesque grandiose.

Quote from: Gash on May 28, 2012, 05:48:54 PM
I suppose what I'd really like to know is what   A  L  I  E  N  aficionados made of it, and what Aliens fans did. Then I'll have some clue as to what expectations reviewers had and where I am relative to that.

Then I'll have to sub divide that info with  A  L  I  E  N   fans who are too heated over what a Space Jockey actually is.

Or I could just wait till Thursday evening and make up my own mind.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:50:54 PM

Quote from: Gash on May 28, 2012, 05:48:54 PM
I suppose what I'd really like to know is what   A  L  I  E  N  aficionados made of it, and what Aliens fans did. Then I'll have some clue as to what expectations reviewers had and where I am relative to that.

Then I'll have to sub divide that info with  A  L  I  E  N   fans who are too heated over what a Space Jockey actually is.

Or I could just wait till Thursday evening and make up my own mind.

I'm with ya, Gash (though I'm an Alien AND Aliens fan - will my opinion confuse you?  :laugh:)

Quote2 hours of pure entertainment with stunning picture. Rarely has more beautiful, more special effects push the limits of nconcevable if we return to the origins of Alien in 1979. A feast for the eyes and oreilels, because if the ship, sets, monsters will you take off the ward, what about the sound environment just daunting. Explosions, vessel noise, a sound environment and stunning musical theme sublime back from time to time in the film.

The cast is very interesting, Michael Fassbender in the lead, a humanoid robot embodying the real thing. Noomi Rapace again demonstrates his talent, not to mention Charlize Theron or Idris Elba. Ridley Scott never does things by halves and gives a prequel to his film while using the 3D, which brings a 3D spurts but not real deep, very nice asset to this métrage.On did not reveal more about history that promise many surprises. Prometheus is the film that we waited a further descent into a world visceral science-fictionnesque grandiose.

Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 06:00:10 PM
Who to trust?

QuoteI admit, I expected much of this film.

First, this is a Ridley Scott, producer oh so talented Thelma and Louise, Gladiator and most recently Robin Hood, among others. Then Prometheus is presented as the prequel to Alien, one of the best sagas horrific science fiction of all time and is more qu'alléchant to know the origin of evil finally pursuing Aliens Ripley! In addition, it is served by a dream cast, Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Logan Marshall-Green or Charlize Theron. Finally, 6 months, we watch the teasers, pictures or information about the film, cleverly distilled here and there, the trailer is more than tempting and we even had a ghost station Prometheus on line 9 of the Paris metro . In short, Prometheus looks like "the" great movie to see the spring of the year. I expected so much I said ... probably too!
Because yes, unfortunately, Prometheus is not far away madly brilliant, it's not bad, nothing more.
The actors are doing really well, Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender in the lead. The first plays with conviction and talent the role of a scientist believing that the question of the origin of life on Earth and who joins the expedition of Prometheus to finally find answers. The second is a robot with human appearance, who is fascinated by Lawrence of Arabia (it even copy his hairstyle and his manner of speaking, oops, we killed the sex appeal of Fassbender!) Devoid of emotions , feelings (at least in appearance). It is there to watch over the crew during the trip (they are immersed two years in stasis), wake them up once they arrive and help them in their quest. But he who was created as many questions arise about its existence, its place in the world that ordinary human. It plays perfectly, chilling and disturbing, it is really disturbing, one wonders if it is indeed a good guy or not throughout the film. The rest of the cast is doing so well, one wonders just why Charlize Theron offer only a part of 10 minutes, anyone could play his character!
Photography and the images are superb. 3D is well used and integrated, we are caught in the film. The opening scene in particular is at once poetic, dreamlike horror and a bit while laying the foundations of the narrative we learn where and how life came to Earth.

The problem is that about 130 000 million budget for the film, few have been distributed to writers. It is flat, desperately flat. One shudders but more trouble than fear. But where is this magic Alien? Where has the anxiety that is sought by going to a movie like this. The sequences follow one another without any real link between them, without deepening the story or that one knows more about the humanoids to the origin of the human species. And bam, in the last 20 minutes (the film lasts more than 2 hours anyway), we balance it all and quickly explains the birth of Aliens (and yes, that's when the prequel to the saga, should not forget it). Why make movies if that's wonderful that they are based on a scenario too low?

In the end, fans of the genre may like, others will be bored and kindly in the end, everyone will ask: why all this?

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 06:19:19 PM
Yet another negative review...

Quote from: 343 on May 28, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
I am very disappointed with the reviews. Sure it doesn't mean everything but 99 of 100 it means that a movie isn't good.  :(

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 06:24:00 PM

Then I guess both Alien and Blade Runner suck, huh? :)

QuoteFirst and foremost, we must admit that you speak of Prometheus without revealing all or part of the story is difficult but we'll try.

The Prometheus project arose for us two promises: the promise of a return, that of Ridley Scott science fiction, who has already given us two absolute masterpieces of the genre, Alien and Blade Runner, a promise therefore quality. And the promise, repeated the urge by the director himself to deliver a film with a different story in the saga of anhedral while keeping the DNA of Alien. And the fact is that for these two promises, the result is there.

Evacuate immediately link with the Aliens. This is far from the main asset of the film. We feel that it was impossible to remove an item, it was necessary in one way or another include the feature film. I would not be as negative as my little friends, it's not bad, but the rest is so extraordinary that there is a risk that you're a little disappointed on that part.

Remain on a quibble of criticism. Many events in this film will remain unexplained. Willingness to put the viewer on the wrong track? Editing of the film would have evacuated explanatory scenes? Bet on your intelligence to guess the missing elements? Anyway, if you go in groups, planning a small post viewing discussion session to see if you understood the same, it should be funny.

And now that we have finished making our difficult, it's time to get out our dictionary of superlatives!

Visually the film is a total massacre. In terms of design of vessels, objects, costumes, graphic design, creativity of the film is extraordinary. I can not imagine the amount of work necessary to achieve such a result. Side scenery, whether natural or studios, all competition to transport you into another world. Photography is also enhanced by a beautiful 3D, so beautiful, so logical, so enveloping that personally I totally forgot that the movie was in 3D (that's a compliment in my mouth). By cons if you expect a fair with lots of 3D objects that seeks to put out your eye, go your way.

The cast is well chosen, even if two players, Noomi Rapace and Michael Fasseinder doing well over the lot. Caskets ideal for interpret roles superbly written, is full of nuances that these two are with us throughout the film. Curiously, the total humanity of the character of Raptor complete and meets the inhumanity of that of Fassbinder. The scenario also provided us some great moments of terror even if the film emerges primarily oppressive atmosphere.

Prometheus is a great success despite the 2-3 reserve, a premium movie that amateur science fiction has not seen on the big screen for a long time. Enjoy it without hesitation.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 06:27:22 PM

QuoteFirst and foremost, we must admit that you speak of Prometheus without revealing all or part of the story is difficult but we'll try.

Quote from: 343 on May 28, 2012, 06:26:04 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 06:24:00 PM

Then I guess both Alien and Blade Runner suck, huh? :)

I knew somebody would say that but those are exceptions really.

Quote from: 343 on May 28, 2012, 06:26:04 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 06:24:00 PM

Then I guess both Alien and Blade Runner suck, huh? :)

I knew somebody would say that but those are exceptions really.

QuoteLet's go straight into the heart of the matter: yes do not worry, PROMETHEUS is a great achievement. This is by far the prequel to the smartest and best realized that we have ever seen!

By Pascal Pinteau

Sir Ridley Scott has signed big movies, but also remembers with a shudder of staggering failures as LAME FEATURE (1996) and EQUAL TO ARMS (1997) or films that were unable to generate enthusiasm really like HANNIBAL (2001 ), following the low SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and THE Black Hawk Down (2001) which was not the great war film that was expected. Jumping from genre to genre film with an appetite that is to his credit, Ridley Scott and has accumulated successes and missed appointments (LEGEND, beautiful, but poisoned by a script that took the foot in its symbolism), and also punctuated by masterpieces that became "instant classics" as The Duellists, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, THELMA AND LOUISE, GLADIATOR and.

For ten years now, Ridley Scott delivered great entertainment - A GREAT YEAR, AMERICAN GANGSTER, STATE LIES - but we were waiting with some impatience his new feature film, its new visual shock. He came in and called PROMETHEUS. What a great decision for not only designed a prequel to Alien, but open a much wider scope, full of present and future prospects! So, what could have been a pretext business becomes a real creation, a new journey, a new discovery. And the audience was worth the money!

Of course, we will say nothing here of intrigue: the less you know, the more you appreciate the film. But what can you describe without revealing anything, this is the high quality of the script, which advances so unstoppable, delivering alternately mysteries and revelations until the very last frame.

The new characters that we find here are as interesting and engaging as those of ALIEN and ALIENS, and probably even more original. The actors, directed well, are all impeccable. Noomi Rapace succeeds brilliantly Sigourney Weaver in the role of the heroine who refuses to admit defeat. It is also convincing in the register of the mild than in the strength that comes despair. Charlize Theron is terrific in a role that could have been ungrateful. The excellent Idris Elba portrays a captain much more sophisticated and determined than it looks, and Michael Fassbender plays brilliantly a robot that will enter the pantheon of science fiction. It is not soon forget David 8!

Visually, the film is a treat. The images are beautiful, mysterious, always original, visual effects and perfect Ridley Scott uses beautifully the 3-D Relief to immerse ourselves in his brilliant nightmare. Original music by Marc Streitenfeld, inspired and devilishly effective, helps to tape the viewer to the screen.

In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, achieved all its goals and often surpasses. Ridley Scott is definitely a great master of Science Fiction and the doors of the new world that opens here suggest fascinating adventures. Bravo Maestro!

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 06:32:17 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 28, 2012, 06:26:04 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 28, 2012, 06:24:00 PM

Then I guess both Alien and Blade Runner suck, huh? :)

I knew somebody would say that but those are exceptions really.

Not really. There are many films I can think of that are great that were not so well received in there time.

Four right off the top of my head;

The Thing - Was called 'torture porn' by some in it's time.
They Live - Hated.
Alien - Mixed bag.
Blade Runner - Generally negative.

Many great movies can get very bad critical receptions, and then years later become something very important. Ironically, some of the same people who will bash a movie on release will come to appreciate five, ten years after it has been released.

QuoteLet's go straight into the heart of the matter: yes do not worry, PROMETHEUS is a great achievement. This is by far the prequel to the smartest and best realized that we have ever seen!

Quote from: Predaker on May 28, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
So we get to see how the Aliens were made... The magic aliens.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 06:29:21 PM

Edit -  Really sorry to ramble here, I know I do that, but this to me is important:  Many of you, including myself, were put-off by the fact that everything would be explained in the film.  From every review so far, they seem to leave a lot of mystery and speculation in the end.  This is perfect, and doesn't upset me, but leaves me freaking so excited I'm almost wiggling around in my chair.

That was part of the magic of Alien, the damned mystery.  If Ridley blew the proverbial wad and explained/revealed every last element of this incredible journey, that's it, game over.  Think about this, we'll have so much to discuss and expand upon.  I'm stoked.

Quote from: Darkness on May 28, 2012, 06:40:58 PM
Extremely positive: http://www.effets-speciaux.info/article?id=682 (http://www.effets-speciaux.info/article?id=682)

QuoteLet's go straight into the heart of the matter: yes do not worry, PROMETHEUS is a great achievement. This is by far the prequel to the smartest and best realized that we have ever seen!

By Pascal Pinteau

Sir Ridley Scott has signed big movies, but also remembers with a shudder of staggering failures as LAME FEATURE (1996) and EQUAL TO ARMS (1997) or films that were unable to generate enthusiasm really like HANNIBAL (2001 ), following the low SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and THE Black Hawk Down (2001) which was not the great war film that was expected. Jumping from genre to genre film with an appetite that is to his credit, Ridley Scott and has accumulated successes and missed appointments (LEGEND, beautiful, but poisoned by a script that took the foot in its symbolism), and also punctuated by masterpieces that became "instant classics" as The Duellists, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, THELMA AND LOUISE, GLADIATOR and.

For ten years now, Ridley Scott delivered great entertainment - A GREAT YEAR, AMERICAN GANGSTER, STATE LIES - but we were waiting with some impatience his new feature film, its new visual shock. He came in and called PROMETHEUS. What a great decision for not only designed a prequel to Alien, but open a much wider scope, full of present and future prospects! So, what could have been a pretext business becomes a real creation, a new journey, a new discovery. And the audience was worth the money!

Of course, we will say nothing here of intrigue: the less you know, the more you appreciate the film. But what can you describe without revealing anything, this is the high quality of the script, which advances so unstoppable, delivering alternately mysteries and revelations until the very last frame.

The new characters that we find here are as interesting and engaging as those of ALIEN and ALIENS, and probably even more original. The actors, directed well, are all impeccable. Noomi Rapace succeeds brilliantly Sigourney Weaver in the role of the heroine who refuses to admit defeat. It is also convincing in the register of the mild than in the strength that comes despair. Charlize Theron is terrific in a role that could have been ungrateful. The excellent Idris Elba portrays a captain much more sophisticated and determined than it looks, and Michael Fassbender plays brilliantly a robot that will enter the pantheon of science fiction. It is not soon forget David 8!

Visually, the film is a treat. The images are beautiful, mysterious, always original, visual effects and perfect Ridley Scott uses beautifully the 3-D Relief to immerse ourselves in his brilliant nightmare. Original music by Marc Streitenfeld, inspired and devilishly effective, helps to tape the viewer to the screen.

In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, achieved all its goals and often surpasses. Ridley Scott is definitely a great master of Science Fiction and the doors of the new world that opens here suggest fascinating adventures. Bravo Maestro!

Quote from: PHANTOM on May 28, 2012, 04:14:30 PM

Quote from: GreatKnower on May 28, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
What im getting from it Phantom is they arent saying the movie was crap...they are saying everything is left ambiguous (Lindelof), it doesnt live up to the premise or even relate to Alien in any way that FOX and co have been saying or not saying.

In others words...

crap. They didn't like it.

But again, Predators had the same thing, weird reviews from weird people, then on release day everyone got blown to the back wall. So, I'm pretty sure these are just random trollers who saw the film and want to slam a good thing because haters gonna hate. Some people can't stand when a movie is so good it sometimes insults them.

Quotethis is the high quality of the script, which advances so unstoppable, delivering alternately mysteries and revelations until the very last frame.

QuoteThe actors, directed well, are all impeccable

QuoteIn short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, achieved all its goals and often surpasses. Ridley Scott is definitely a great master of Science Fiction and the doors of the new world that opens here suggest fascinating adventures. Bravo Maestro!

QuoteAlien where are you?

Somewhat removed from the previous scenarios for taking the object anhedral, Prometheus is focusing more on research of the Space Jockey already seen in the series. Taking place almost 30 years before the beginning of the saga, the film was an opportunity to try to answer some questions that arose fans on the origins of other extraterrestrial life. Prometheus chose this point of view combining belief and science. This quest is symbolized by two scientists from the mission: Elizabeth Shaw and Charlie Holloway, went in search of the foundations of humanity.

As for the volatile border with the belief in science, Ridley Scott has chosen once again as the main character a woman. Subtle mixture of fragility and toughness Noomi Rapace proves quite live up to its role, sounding very much like that, had held Sigourney Weaver in Alien the eighth passenger. From without in many comparisons, the actress perfectly embodies the role of heroin complex, sensitive, shaky, despite herself, but the principles and iron will.

Another particularly noteworthy performance as an actor is felt in the play of Michael Fassbender (known for his roles in: Shame, X-Men: The Beginning ...). In contrast to human nature, but with a curiosity as much exacerbated the android David also takes a role similar to that of Ash in the first Alien. Early in the movie her character's attitudes, abilities and reactions are perfectly in place psychology of AI that inhabits it. At once programmed, it plays perfectly with both the ambiguity of obedience and the question continually asked about the possible presence of a soul or feeling in a body created by man and not being composed of flesh.

Long ago, in a galaxy far ...

Human like android, curiosity killed the cat can not we be overstressed. If you do not know Alien, you should have no trouble understanding Prometheus. The pitch although very similar, does not pay much more into horror and stands above the point of view of scientific discovery too. No need to torture the mind, the film eats like a mass-market entertainment where everyone takes their eyes.

Prometheus begins in the desert lands of an unknown planet the sets actually not so far removed from ours. The camera goes through the dusty land taking the viewer through the 3D in a spectacular flight. It will be equally transported at different times of the film, when the arrival of the crew around the planet LV-223 or upon discovery of the secrets which it contains. Well chosen and in accordance with both the script and with all the dark atmosphere of previous Aliens, cool colors in shades of gray-blue Prometheus prove simply magnificent.

It's the same for the aesthetic treatment given to the effects processing. Representation in space of the human vessel or fantastic discoveries confronting Noomi Rapace, some startling results. Human technology between the years 2093, alien technology, electromagnetic storms, aliens diverse and varied and spectacular ending scene, no doubt that from this point of view, nobody can deny the resurgence of Ridley Scott's artist of the Image unprecedented.

QuoteBy Quentin Buchberger

For his new film, Ridley Scott clearly wanted to create an innovative and original work, the risk of taking short all fans of the series.

2012, the Odyssey of the Alien

It quickly becomes clear that Prometheus not trying to scare but to impress. With a staging pleasant and controlled, the filmmaker shows his willingness to play the card of the big show. The special effects commands respect. Old school, the film is the luxury of exposure and benefits from its first half hour to completely immerse us into his world. Consistent with its commitment to the show, the director eyes on an action movie to the detriment of some tension.

Men who did not like women

With a glittering cast also, our disappointment is even greater. Apart from a great Michael Fassbender in Android, the rest of the cast seems to have any difficulty in finding his place on board. Note that women are particularly severe: Charlize Theron as a right "i" plays the wicked while Noomi Rapace (noticed in Millenium) looks like a copy of Sigourney Weaver. The scene where she extracts a fetus alien belly is still the most successful film, returning for a few minutes with the legacy of the series gore.

Of men and gods

While the 4-star cast does not fulfill this promise, the quality and ambition of the screenplay for a movie surprises of this magnitude. There still some scattered minor inconsistencies that do not impair understanding. Prometheus wants to be indeed a fable about the origins of the world, in the purest tradition of SF. Background meeting of the Third Kind, Ridley Scott manhandles Darwinism and religion, just to make only incidental concepts. Enjoyable!

Yes but now, some scenes decorate this outdated narrative centered on relations creators / creatures of a humanity which was not expected so pronounced and somewhat overwhelming. The team of 17 passengers seems incredibly cohesive, does not show that too few opportunities elements of internal crisis. Too bad, when we know that a group in full disunity can offer in terms of dramatic tension!

Should we see it in 3D? The answer next page!

Who has not heard of Prometheus? It would be far removed from civilization for not having heard or seen an advertisement on this work is wanting to be the prequel to Alien. Following the fad, Prometheus is proposed in our cinemas in 3D. As with all movies, it is always wise to ask if this pay a few euros more for this adaptation appears to be much needed. After viewing, here is our verdict ...

Why do we generally see 3D movies? Just for us to fill their eyes. To take advantage of the depth of field that 2D can not offer. Rest assured on that point, early in the film, Prometheus fills our peepers. The visit begins with a generic surface of the planet LV-223. The cameras fly over the desert land, run down the peaks and plunging waterfalls along this inhospitable land. Okay you say, but pretty landscapes, we see also the Geode!

Like other Alien, Prometheus wants a muscular movie science fiction. The menu of pure action scenes but especially by splendid special effects. Vessels traversing space, underground long, dark and murky, a superb electromagnetic storm engulfing everything in its path and a crash which we do not spoliera content. Add a few appearances of aliens, the eternal scenes of contagion, the fight against pests and especially the magnificent staging of a technology far superior to ours.

By comparing it to heavyweights of the genre (come on, at random) Avatar, Prometheus takes more than decent out of the game is nevertheless retains some regrets at projections that could have been a little more developed. It appears from the room still won, if a headache does not surprise you along the way ...

Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
But i liked Black Hawk Down.  8)

QuoteAnd Scott created the Aliens

Object of worship, the SF milestone "horror," Alien had however been "abandoned" by its creator Ridley Scott to devote himself (and we forgive him) to another monument: Blade Runner. And better to let his creation in the hands of other major filmmakers: Cameron, Fincher and Jeunet, who never reach the intensity and timelessness of the first, will compete to create a unique franchise. Promise to return to his first masterpiece, Ridley Scott has long since made ​​to his fans. He returns to his roots with this doubly Prometheus, since this is not the result but a prequel to the Alien. Despite thirty years, the filmmaker has lost none of his genius and takes care of his baby with a scene in permanent ecstasy.

From the prologue, Prometheus hits hard, very hard. Visually in total harmony with its 3D. A rarity these days where the business case as it annoys stain. None of that here. The film is designed in three dimensions and marks after Avatar a new stage. The depth of each scene, travel in space or even this cascade pre-generic exploit the full potential of the technique providing the sensation of immersion in an advanced alien universe. Future technology is based on the hologram, the image projection in space (ie the frame) and Ridley makes his first ally. Idea necessarily already present in many SF movies but printed here as ever on film. The technical challenge is required and is an evidence as a new benchmark.

The sense of flawless technique is reinforced by the mid-warrior theme haunting mid Mark Streitenfeld Prometheus which puts this in a sort of state of grace, the divine father back on his work. No need for dialogue, the camera wanders in a visual world even more successful perhaps than any previous album. Freedom of the filmmaker reflects a maturity, an extra breath of wisdom: Prometheus will not give in to the system constraints or requirements for the geeks, one suspects already. No need to cracking monsters (and for good reason), we are here to go back to basics: where is it? Where are these aliens? And perhaps the most interesting parallel here: can we and should we try to decipher this creative approach that led Ridley Scott to give birth to pure horror? With this Prometheus, the filmmaker appears to meet the analysis, questioning and harassment he has been to deliver a "no explanation" for his entire Alien mythology.

Adventure, pure SF, action, his aura seems more existential and less "terror" than the previous. The quest is metaphysical, and everyone (viewers as characters) gives the direction he wants. On behalf of the filmmaker, it goes without saying that this is a prequel genesis. As if he wrote his Bible, Scott rewrites history, he is after all the founding father, the God. The intelligence here is not to give us explanations "turnkey" but enough to try to cast shadows and mystery around the characters, their origins to preserve the ambiguity of what has been done before. All truths are not good to hear ...

Quote from: 343 on May 28, 2012, 06:53:46 PM

Quote from: Infected on May 28, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
But i liked Black Hawk Down.  8)

Me too. Awesome movie!

Quote3D is nice, it does not interfere. It can boost the depths but sometimes makes it a little difficult deciphering the dark decorations. Thank goodness, because even if the film sends the block level graph, we were very disappointed to particulir scene: the "decoration" of the control room of creators. Walls that have wanted to design a resume Alien but more like the cardboard / 80's than anything else. Even the decor of Alien ago 20 + years was most successful ...

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
The negative reviews are the nit picky ones with either too much expectation or the movie didn`t go the way that they want it too.  The positive reviews are the more thought out and know what they are seeing.

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 06:58:11 PM

Quote3D is nice, it does not interfere. It can boost the depths but sometimes makes it a little difficult deciphering the dark decorations. Thank goodness, because even if the film sends the block level graph, we were very disappointed to particulir scene: the "decoration" of the control room of creators. Walls that have wanted to design a resume Alien but more like the cardboard / 80's than anything else. Even the decor of Alien ago 20 + years was most successful ...

Interesting quote from one of the reviews, interesting because i said the same on here in one of the other threads, the sets look like shit compared to ALIEN.

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
From reading the reviews, i'm starting to get a horrible AVP vibe where the final scene will be a xeno bursting out of the Jockey just like in AVP. Surely Scott is better than that? :-\

Quote from: zuzuki on May 28, 2012, 07:17:11 PM

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 06:58:11 PM

Quote3D is nice, it does not interfere. It can boost the depths but sometimes makes it a little difficult deciphering the dark decorations. Thank goodness, because even if the film sends the block level graph, we were very disappointed to particulir scene: the "decoration" of the control room of creators. Walls that have wanted to design a resume Alien but more like the cardboard / 80's than anything else. Even the decor of Alien ago 20 + years was most successful ...

Interesting quote from one of the reviews, interesting because i said the same on here in one of the other threads, the sets look like shit compared to ALIEN.

you need the read then the latest reviews, cause all of them were impressed with the sets and visuals. don't choose the bad reviews just because they are similar to some preconceived notions you have. Read everything, compare all the reviews between them and with what you know so far. Then you can be excited or worry

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
From reading the reviews, i'm starting to get a horrible AVP vibe where the final scene will be a xeno bursting out of the Jockey just like in AVP. Surely Scott is better than that? :-\

I don't think so. One of them said the final minutes, the ending of the movie is a masterpiece. There are opposing point of views for every aspect of this movie it seems

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:19:35 PM

So you had a go at me for being selective with the reviews then you go and do the exact same thing.

QuoteRead everything, compare all the reviews between them and with what you know so far. Then you can be excited or worry

Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:27 PM
One thing that I can honestly say is that all of the production pics and viral stuff that I have seen go far have been really fantastic. (MO). My thoughts from these early reviews is that the visuals will be stunning and there will be great atmosphere. Those two elements, for me anyway, are very important ( if not the most)and those two elements alone can make or break a good SF film. I am still optimistic because great SF will not directly connect with general audiences. In fact, it will go over the heads of most. I think we are on the right track of seeing something new and original. So I am still excited.

Quote30 years. This is the time it took to Sir Ridley Scott to return to science fiction. 30 years of wandering between more or less good movies, and now back to his first love. First announced as a prequel to Alien, Scott finally decided during development, to make a film more independent.

The goal seems clear at the beginning, the director seeks to introduce a new one saga. However, this is one of the disappointments of Prometheus: Scott seeks to move away from Alien, but several items scattered throughout the film prevents it, it does not really matter where it is coming, it is unclear really what to think at the end of the projection.

Sieur Ridley Scott did not seem to have lost its mojo, and is able to offer moments of incredible tension while developing an uneasy atmosphere. Where it gets stuck, it is therefore on this scenario. Ambitious vision of the first images and reading the synopsis, Scott took a very high risk. And unfortunately, it is this very (too?) Great ambition that will ensnare the scenario in many issues. 2 hours of film, it is not enough, for a scenario of this magnitude, and maybe it would have benefited from a little less revealing. Thus, Prometheus absolutely requires one (or more) result (s) to make clearer the universe and allow to fully deploy, because the potential is there.

If the scenario is not very clear and could be subject to criticism, the success graph is absolutely not in question. The film is absolutely gorgeous and was shot in 3D, it is one of the most beautiful view on the screen. Similarly, the design of the various monsters is impressive realism. Sporting a refreshing simplicity and a mounting classy and extremely effective, it is a real treat for the eyes.

Another possible criticism is the lack of depth of most characters. Except for the android David played brilliantly by Michael Fassbender, and the intriguing Elizabeth Shaw played by the beautiful Noomi Rapace, the characters would have benefited from being more developed. In an apparent bitterness about the true value for the scenario of some members, and certainly a few more sequences would have to deepen relations between all these, which would surely have been able to create more empathy in their ways.

Despite the tone of my remarks, it is clear from the meeting filled with wonder and questions, and especially with a genuine look forward to viewing the second part saga of a very ambitious and full of promise, that will actually deploy the potential Prometheus, the first name.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 05:19:04 PM
full blown retaliative xenophobia  :-\

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
From reading the reviews, i'm starting to get a horrible AVP vibe where the final scene will be a xeno bursting out of the Jockey just like in AVP. Surely Scott is better than that? :-\

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Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
The negative reviews are the nit picky ones with either too much expectation or the movie didn`t go the way that they want it too.  The positive reviews are the more thought out and know what they are seeing.

Thats incredibly biased.

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 28, 2012, 07:39:00 PM

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
From reading the reviews, i'm starting to get a horrible AVP vibe where the final scene will be a xeno bursting out of the Jockey just like in AVP. Surely Scott is better than that? :-\

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Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 28, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
The negative reviews are the nit picky ones with either too much expectation or the movie didn`t go the way that they want it too.  The positive reviews are the more thought out and know what they are seeing.

Thats incredibly biased.

LOL. And you don`t think the negative reviewers aren`t being bias?

Quote from: Mastes1 on May 28, 2012, 07:30:26 PM

Quote from: duckman5150 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:27 PM
One thing that I can honestly say is that all of the production pics and viral stuff that I have seen go far have been really fantastic. (MO). My thoughts from these early reviews is that the visuals will be stunning and there will be great atmosphere. Those two elements, for me anyway, are very important ( if not the most)and those two elements alone can make or break a good SF film. I am still optimistic because great SF will not directly connect with general audiences. In fact, it will go over the heads of most. I think we are on the right track of seeing something new and original. So I am still excited.

Thats a myth about Sci-Fi, many of the biggest films of all time are sci-fi films. Also lets not start getting all high and mighty just because some French people didn't get the film, 2001 is a fantastic looking film but it doesn't make sense (and before you say it does, even Arthur C Clark said it didn't make sense which is why he wrote the movie book for it) and is full of pointless never ending scenes.

QuoteJack of all sometimes great (Gladiator), sometimes senile (A Good Year), Ridley Scott is finally returning to SF thirty years after his Dantesque Blade Runner. And what a return! More than ever ready to revisit his films to better distill the 2.0 era. - Without ever denying either the form or substance - he tackles today to Alien. With Prometheus, the filmmaker takes on the challenge of reconciling old and young moviegoers by taking as an anchor his seminal film space funk. No mean feat! The friend Ridley has signed two of the greatest SF movies in history, all competed to make Prometheus a flagship of the genre. In this respect nothing wrong because the father of Thelma & Louise we sign a beautiful and ambitious space opera. An hour and a half years, Prometheus seems straight out of a time capsule where he was imprisoned after being thought the margins of Alien. Scott digs his most persistent themes and dissolves into a space trip horrifico mystical. And if all sometimes lacks lyricism, however, it is through great sequences where beauty and darkness harness themselves to a sublime game of hide and seek interstellar. Please do not however believe that Prometheus is only called in the air, on the contrary, it is even the bottom low terror that prevails over emotion. For if in space nobody can hear you scream it's good for some reason Scott takes great delight in reminding us. There are thirty three years, he managed to combine science fiction and fear in a maelstrom spectral and final. Today, it retries this tasty mixture by adding a good dose of mysticism. In its first part, Prometheus distills an atmosphere of anxiety in a fascinating world where the human origins are revisited in an original way ... and then gradually instills terror is deaf to the point of taking the film at the confluence between 2001 (the most spectacular) and Event Horizon (Gothic abuses in less space). Mix a priori but is strangely paradoxical sense here. The opportunity for the filmmaker to show us he knows even scare through two highly symbolic sequences.

It's nothing to say that during more than an hour and a half Prometheus plot, fascinated by the beauty of its images, its soundtrack, enhanced by the intoxicating epic score by Marc Streitenfeld (Robin Hood), and the atmosphere gently deleterious . The invitation to travel is immediately accepted and is about to embark heart and soul into an odyssey like no other. But while the film seems to take off (although, paradoxically, the vessel arises) something strange happens. As you strive to integrate into the Alien mythology, Scott's film loses its singularity. And if the bridges between the two films are numerous, it is obvious that neither needs the other to exist. As it stands, the universe of Prometheus seems rich enough to escape completely from Alien. Unfortunately, it is this constant need to compare which handicaps greatly in its last quarter. Teeming with references to the latter, Prometheus, trying constantly during the last part to justify his self-citations left to stand still and present the work with improbabilities matrix. It is also regrettable that the protagonists are being flown and struggle and create a real empathy despite totalemnt invested and convincing actors. Only the android David, played by Michael Fassbender in a weightless, cleverly pulls out of the game barely distorted mirror of Ash (Alien), Roy Batty (Blade Runner) and Bishop (Aliens), it crystallizes all of obsessions such sum film condensed into a single character. Facing him, the couple formed by Noomi Rapace and Logan Marshall-Green breathes some humanity to the whole while the impeccable Idris Elba and Charlize Theron in the cold are the authoritarian side. If the new vintage of Scott is not the definitive work as expected, but it deserves to plunge back into it several times to appreciate it can be finally relieved of any further potential frustration. Placed outside the lap of his illustrious elder, Prometheus is a very good sci-fi movie horror atmosphere favoring the effectiveness superfluous.

Far from the industrial accident feared by a handful, Prometheus is a fascinating journey but whose affiliation with Alien remains empty.

Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Prometheus has suffered poor marketing I must say, especially here on the european continent... so I wouldn't be surprised if the reviews in the UK or USA are better because they are simply more involved and informed/out there...

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Oh wow the French reviewers are giving out spoilers http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254)

QuoteSome doubts have, Ridley Scott is the realization of Prometheus. Some plans are almost identical to those of Alien. Much like a trademark. Nowadays, the term prequel is a little scary. In most cases, the distance from the original work. For Prometheus, we all thought directly to Alien, wondering if Ridley Scott was going to meet the challenge of making a prequel credible and in line with the first Alien. So yes! Without spoiling too much, many questions have their answers here, some not. We feel that there is a real willingness to stick to the Prometheus trilogy Alien while leaving room for innovation and opportunity for possible alternative suites.

And 3D?
I am as you have often read, a great opponent to 3D. IT must be said that unlike Amusement Parks, 3D cinemas has nothing very spectacular. So naturally, when I meet a good 3D rendering, I can not help but mention. So beware, NO, do you expect to see elements out of the screen. To do this, go for the new ad Haribo that works very well. In Prometheus, the 3D, it is mostly a nice depth of field which becomes particularly useful when the beautiful planes in space. 3D makes an impression of immensity accentuated by a heavy music.

The cast
Well, note the excellent performance of Noomi Rapace who plays Dr. Elizabeth Shaw. Some passages will take you to the guts, you will turn a bit of the eye without ever falling into the gore. Michael Fassbender, as for him, plays the sweet, tender and helpful David. But the most surprising part is that of Charlize Theron. In Prometheus, she plays Meredith Vickers. Her character is largely untapped for my taste and could ultimately be removed. His appearances are without flavors and some 3 pages of dialogue will not remain engraved in our memories. Admit it ... you make fun of the cast. I know what you want to read: The aliens they appear in Prometheus?
Well ... I know that ... ... kriiiiiii Aaaaaaaaaaaaah ...

Conclusion
Big fan of the Alien trilogy, I was not expecting much for the new Ridley Scott film. It seemed difficult to make a film on the front Alien. Yet in the end it was a good surprise in many ways. First of all a very good achievement. Ridley Scott takes what made the success of his film Alien. Whether the planes, the vessel, the atmosphere in the corridors of the ship. Zero doubt that you will find a lot of the same elements in Prometheus Alien. Even in the scenario, Ridley was able to connect a lot of elements between the two films while leaving a loophole for a sequel to Prometheus far from the Alien trilogy. In short, Prometheus is a prequel of quality that is sure to delight fans of Alien and the youngest.

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Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Oh wow the French reviewers are giving out spoilers http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254)

Not seeing any.

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Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 28, 2012, 08:43:21 PM

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Oh wow the French reviewers are giving out spoilers http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254)

Not seeing any.

Not sure if your serious, I just read about 4

Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 28, 2012, 08:51:29 PM
For sure...
These truly bad reviews came from people who do not understand what they´re watching.

Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 28, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
Prometheus Experience Manual:

1-Don´t go expecting to see a True Alien Prequel.
2-Don´t go expecting to see many action shots.
3-Don´t go expecting to see strong Alien connections.
4-Don´t go expecting to see many answers.
5-Don´t go expecting to see a Xenomorph.
6-Don´t go expecting to see many horror shots.
7-Watch the movie with a open mind.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 28, 2012, 09:06:30 PM
Anyone else under the impression that the ambiguity and lack of answers may be (in part) due to the fact that when Prometheuswas an Alien prequel, it was intended to be two films? Maybe some of that carried over to Prometheus.

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Oh wow the French reviewers are giving out spoilers http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1203/reactions-from-press-screening-in-france-spoilers#Item_254)

QuotePrometheus is about the frustration of not being able to understand some horrible things or not accepting the truth.

I was saying on Twitter (the translation of my tweets was not totally good) that the Ridley Scott film, written by Lindelof (LOST, don't forget LOST !) was about... A love story. Well, not a love story... But a Love History.
Have you ever felt in love with someone and not being able to understand why you did have these feelings ? Not being able to understand your own body about that ? Your own emotions ?
That's the parabol of this film.
And what if I told you that the one you love doesn't love you anymore... What if I told you that the one you love plan to destroy you... What if I told you that the one you love plan to replace you by someone else...

Have you ever had these feelings ?

THIS is the film is about.

But it's going further and further until... a sequel, and now I hope that they will do this.

This is really different of Alien.
The monsters in the film were almost unnecessary. It's all in the plot. The story.
It's all about all of these questions. All about the characters and the meaning of their relationships.

I think that the only problems that remain are from the original treatment when this film was still an Alien prequel. I do think that the best thing that they could do is breaking away from Alien.
The consequences from this ? The supporting characters are not developed enough, some things are not explained, etc.
But the story is strong enough to get over it and enjoy this epic adventure with big Lostian questions.

I can't write everything that I found in this movie which is really deep and different. But if you have questions, I would be happy to give you answers.

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
How many good reviews has Darkness posted so far?.

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 28, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
In the mindset of a Worst Previews user:

"Them French are just a bunch of snail sucking faggots!"

How are you not banned?

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 09:21:51 PM
Because the mods, fortunately, have a sense of humor.

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 28, 2012, 09:18:04 PM
Added all the reviews to the first post.  Prometheus holds a 76% overall rating from these reviews.

Quote from: Cvalda on May 28, 2012, 09:22:52 PM
If that's humor, I'd hate to see the other things you find funny. ;)

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 28, 2012, 09:20:12 PM

Quote from: mastermoon on May 28, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
How many good reviews has Darkness posted so far?.

8 if you count from the first post.  Combined with mixed but overall positive you get 14.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 09:21:51 PM

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 28, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
In the mindset of a Worst Previews user:

"Them French are just a bunch of snail sucking faggots!"

How are you not banned?

Because the mods, fortunately, have a sense of humor.

Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 28, 2012, 09:23:24 PM

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 28, 2012, 09:18:04 PM
Added all the reviews to the first post.  Prometheus holds a 76% overall rating from these reviews.

Fine work there, Jaaaydee. Just out of curiosity as I enjoyed reading your posts last year, how do you feel about today's events?

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 09:31:15 PM

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 28, 2012, 09:21:51 PM

Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 28, 2012, 09:19:34 PM

Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 28, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
In the mindset of a Worst Previews user:

"Them French are just a bunch of snail sucking faggots!"

How are you not banned?

Because the mods, fortunately, have a sense of humor.

Clearly it's a different interpretation of humor than your judging by the deletions.

QuoteWhen the Prometheus project was announced by Ridley Scott, director of Alien and creator of all a myth, one could feel a sense somewhat paradoxical excitation, but also pretty crazy obsession. For if we could rejoice to see a new movie star in this universe scary, it could legitimately fear an effect that Star Wars I, about 35 years after the original masterpiece, distorted the foundations that enabled the original enthusiasm. The first trailers arrived, we ate very important legitimate expectations, marketing has been particularly subdued and the pillars of the script kept secret until the end.

But Ridley Scott is a director clever if not a director of engineering. While we owe some very large film (Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator), the fact is that his career sawtooth has something to temper the superlatives. Rather than start work on a prequel to the first direct Alien, Scott favors the outgrowth of the track to the world by taking a course track located forward on the timeline but with a less obvious affiliation. A choice that could greet at first but which unfortunately does not really assume, which will make its greatest weakness.

For it must be admitted that under the slap we expected, and that we were entitled to expect, Prometheus does not satisfy us only partially. A look of regret tinged since Ridley Scott had positioned himself on the project to surprise and scare the audience in an environment where the three aliens who followed in his own does not meet its quality criteria. In fact, when you see the film falling into the pitfalls of a certain facility, you can not hide our disappointment. Perhaps unconsciously borrowing the same narrative pattern as the 1979 film, Prometheus is not surprising. Even ignoring the end, necessarily rapid detection of logical construction gives the keys to the audience to solve faster than the characters and the plot re-order the pieces. Of course, even if some parts are deliberately vague, the main skeleton limits the effects of surprise. Thus, Scott's film focuses very clearly the heavy atmosphere and heavy at the expense of fear, the true, the one that put us in bad shape when we discovered the eighth passenger. The feeling is so paradoxical. Will is coming off the obvious origins, origins of known and controlled in the collective unconscious but like a magnet, the director back to basics as to avoid going too far in its basic idea.

However, the choice to deviate completely would probably have been saving for Prometheus seems to be moving on land known nickname. Although the film claims to be away from the Alien saga, it is closely bound by a major point: DNA. Insignificant and yet so important in this prequel that addresses issues in cross faith of Darwinism and the headlong rush toward finding the answer founder "why". A question at the heart of the expedition motivated by the discovery of paintings in our land evoking the creation of our world by other species. At the head of this journey into the unknown, two scientists including Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) who takes on the role expected but needed strong woman. And nothing less than a woman with the personality and physical highlights to succeed (or precede, choice) in which Sigourney Weaver Ellen Ripley had made the female character may be the strongest film. Well cast, it is quite clearly the film on his shoulders without difficulty in rising above the other member of the ship. For the sake of another Prometheus comes very clearly the writing of the various characters that we discover. With the exception of raptor and Fassbender in android who holds a key role in the plot, all others can be characterized as asserting. Charlize Theron who vampirizes every scene in which it appears is revealed soon and unfortunately totally useless to the plot.

Finally, the Ridley Scott film seems to suffer from the inherent defects of a majority of Hollywood blockbusters: the sidekick often poorly written and an overall plot that is not afraid to multiply inconsistencies to justify renewals in the plot. Thus it will be hard pressed to believe that some group members arrive with probes to model the full 3D environment cavernosum but manage to lose anyway to create suspense. Similarly, when muscular guys who have agreed to cross the space for an important mission panic just 15 minutes after arriving on the planet destination, thus justifying the fact that they are left alone facing the unknown, we can sketch a cynical smile. These are just examples but throughout the film, there are many others too so that we do even implicitly the impasse.

Where Prometheus works best is when he moves away from any reference to the four original film. Playing more on the feeling of oppression that the same fear that one feels only rarely, Scott offers some particularly striking scenes shocks allowing these moments to feature film to show the level where they waited. The voltage rise is gradual, real, but when the time of the great finish, we can feed a few regrets, it is actually quite similar to the pattern of the first film despite conflicting events. Nevertheless, it is mandatory to recognize a true Prometheus graphic identity even if it is part of an obvious logic in the world of HR Giger. Regularly achieving wide shots magnifies the work on the sets for the film to be truly a visual slap every moment. The SFX never been so advanced, it was regularly the feeling of attending a technical demonstration bluffing even without the 3D. If it does not transcend experience, it does not alter what today is clearly not a luxury.

Challenging to not devote a passion vis-à-vis Prometheus, not least by the world he can find. Necessarily rich, we accept without complaint the new diving into deep space along with this group of explorers not always motivated by science. Although defects in the Ridley Scott film are extremely visible, the most important being that side basically hybrid between two subjects that are sometimes awkwardly tries to hang up, you feel an evident sympathy reinforced by a shock graph provided. It would have been entitled to expect more clearly the film's original screenplay but sometimes foutraque and revealing things that needed more than the limit at the stage of good entertainment and sci-fi sound.

QuoteSimilarly, when muscular guys who have agreed to cross the space for an important mission panic just 15 minutes after arriving on the planet destination, thus justifying the fact that they are left alone facing the unknown, we can sketch a cynical smile

Quote from: Valaquen on May 28, 2012, 10:45:16 PM

QuoteSimilarly, when muscular guys who have agreed to cross the space for an important mission panic just 15 minutes after arriving on the planet destination, thus justifying the fact that they are left alone facing the unknown, we can sketch a cynical smile

I don't get this criticism. Colonial Marines whigging out, anyone?

QuoteUnfortunately, Lindelof is not able to hold the length. His script is laced with inconsistencies and it kills in the bud every good idea or every time the hero began to get interesting [...] Our only hope to see Scott return to a franchise that made him famous and do it right now based on the result of Blade Runner, fortunately without Lindelof and his bad pen.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 28, 2012, 11:38:06 PM
You're right, I will refrain... until I see it. Then hell hath no wrath. :P

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 28, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
I am more then excited about this film. NGR01 has been disappointed since he realized this film wouldn't be what he wanted it to so I've been tempered by his review. I'm still cautiously optimistic. I think it will be great....for now ;)

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 29, 2012, 12:50:37 AM
If Jean-Pierre Jeunet  was the director of Prometheus.  The French would hail it as a "Chef d'oeuvre"!!

Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 01:11:53 AM
NRG01, best get some rest mate, before someone loses an eye. :)

Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:05:00 AM
Just love how some of you want to blame the "french" for noit getting the movie or not being like some stupid fanboys.
Deal with it.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion.
Until you have not seen it unlike them french yours is non relevent.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 29, 2012, 01:11:53 AM
NRG01, best get some rest mate, before someone loses an eye. :)

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 01:22:41 AM
I know we all want to plug our ears and go "lalala the French suck anyway!" but looking at the OP, the majority of reviews are in favour. Nothing to complain about, really. The major complaints levelled at the film seem to be a confusion over its status as an Alien film, unanswered questions (which the film-makers have professed to in EPK materials) and a lack of development for the secondary characters. Nothing catastrophic :/

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2012, 01:32:39 AM
I'm not gonna lie, some of the ramblings/debates/whatever it is I'm reading here are actually making my excitement grow a little bit.

QuoteEDIT: Do you mind spoiler tags please?
~ Val

Quote from: NGR01 on May 29, 2012, 01:35:08 AM
Then you're gonna have a blast :)

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 01:22:41 AM
I know we all want to plug our ears and go "lalala the French suck anyway!" but looking at the OP, the majority of reviews are in favour. Nothing to complain about, really. The major complaints levelled at the film seem to be a confusion over its status as an Alien film, unanswered questions (which the film-makers have professed to in EPK materials) and a lack of development for the secondary characters. Nothing catastrophic :/

Quote from: jeffchow on May 29, 2012, 04:55:53 AM
just read empire's review for prometheus my heart sunk 2 stars
Verdict Slightly oblique experimental film has some rich witty moments but suffers for its length.
skimming through the review it mentioned Auschwitz  a woman mistaken for a cow is slaughtered and cremated in an abattoir
Hermes in a camp silver jump suit i thought sir ridley has lost his f**king mind but no i'm a f**king retard because it was an entirely different prometheus movie

Quote from: jeffchow on May 29, 2012, 04:55:53 AM
just read empire's review for prometheus my heart sunk 2 stars
Verdict Slightly oblique experimental film has some rich witty moments but suffers for its length.
skimming through the review it mentioned Auschwitz  a woman mistaken for a cow is slaughtered and cremated in an abattoir
Hermes in a camp silver jump suit i thought sir ridley has lost his f**king mind but no i'm a f**king retard because it was an entirely different prometheus movie

Quote from: jeffchow on May 29, 2012, 04:55:53 AM
just read empire's review for prometheus my heart sunk 2 stars
Verdict Slightly oblique experimental film has some rich witty moments but suffers for its length.
skimming through the review it mentioned Auschwitz  a woman mistaken for a cow is slaughtered and cremated in an abattoir
Hermes in a camp silver jump suit i thought sir ridley has lost his f**king mind but no i'm a f**king retard because it was an entirely different prometheus movie

Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 29, 2012, 05:03:42 AM

Quote from: jeffchow on May 29, 2012, 04:55:53 AM
just read empire's review for prometheus my heart sunk 2 stars
Verdict Slightly oblique experimental film has some rich witty moments but suffers for its length.
skimming through the review it mentioned Auschwitz  a woman mistaken for a cow is slaughtered and cremated in an abattoir
Hermes in a camp silver jump suit i thought sir ridley has lost his f**king mind but no i'm a f**king retard because it was an entirely different prometheus movie

Spoiler

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Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 06:26:49 AM
Oh snap, you're awesome Darkoo.  I spent about 10 minutes searching for the Firefox translate plugin before I realized you have the link right below the first link. :laugh:

Oddly enough I learned that Translator plugin isn't available for the newest version of Firefox.  wtf Mozilla?

Edit - Okay more nerd fuel I have apparently consumed.

From review: (oh yeah, double spoiler action)

Spoiler

QuoteYes, no less! The first fault of taste comes suddenly, like a schoolboy error when the characters split up without much logic, submitting to an artifice ridiculous screenplay, and giving just feel compelled as an introduction to two strong scenes. One wishing to refer to Alien , the other offering a great show memorable sequence, but ultimately do nothing for the plot. Provided the film regains confidence in venturing into an unexpected direction.

The first part sounds like a valid complaint.  But the second part, just what?  How does the violent death of one character and the infection/mutilation/possible death of another character who eventually comes back to your ship all psychotic and alien and f**ks some of your people up do nothing for the plot, perhaps potentially infecting the entire ship in the process?  They also apparently introduce the Hammerpede in that scene, and Holloway gets infected with David and Shaw.  This also might be when David decides to bring the ampule back to the Prometheus.  How in god's name do those things ultimately do nothing for the plot?  They are, I mean that is the plot...

This was funny:

QuotePrometheus is not a horror movie or an action movie, but a true sci-fi theme with deep around the creation

These parts made me high-five myself:

Quotein this he will do just as well echo Blade Runner than Alien . This theme is equally artificial character of David (great Michael Fassbender )

QuoteA passage shows itself even as powerful as the birth of John Hurt in the first Alien

:'( (He went there)

Moar lolz:

Quoteand especially why bring this part of the audience is in the room: the discovery of a blockbuster.

(Shit yeah, blockbuster discovery, that's why I'm going.)

And he likes Straitenfelds music, Cvalda. ;)

More f**king high-fiving of the self:

QuotePrometheus is just perfect in terms of image design, this means that the sense of framing, the esthetic, what the meaning of everything shown on the screen. Ridley Scott is a genius in this field, and it is the top of his game on this film.

Awesome awesome, I've gotta stop here.  I recommend reading that one, especially you who are trippin like I was. :laugh:

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Quote from: Darkee on May 29, 2012, 10:07:45 AM
Hi fellow Alien's fans,

I just write to say : don't worry ! Prometheus will be good !

I worked on the Ecran Fantastique Hors série and I published this very positive review (than I didn't write ; I'll see the movie in 24 hours) : http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.effets-speciaux.info%2Farticle%3Fid%3D682&langpair=fr|en (http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.effets-speciaux.info%2Farticle%3Fid%3D682&langpair=fr%7Cen)

French critics are like US ou UK critics ; nobody have the same tastes ;-)
My friends (who are Alien's fans) have fell in love with Prometheus (even if tit's quite different), so... don' worry ! :-)

Quote from: Alexx on May 29, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
Honestly SHEEP please wait till other more credible reviewers see the movie than decide if you want to see this.. ::)

Quote from: Alexx on May 29, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
UH-OH..Some french people hated the movie... :o
UH-OH..Because they did not like it we should not see it.. :P
BUT WAIT WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD THINK ABOUT THE MOVIE...
Do you people even care??? ???
The FRENCH are renowned worldwide for their superior taste in reviews..why we don't see a movie without their approval.. :D
Honestly SHEEP please wait till other more credible reviewers see the movie than decide if you want to see this.. ::)

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
81% fresh ... are we over-inflating the negativity here or what? Are we that sensitive? run to theaters, says one review, because you rarely get to see science fiction as adult, as pure and as globally significant. Another says, Thirty-two years after Alien, Sir Ridley burgled the Olympus of the SF for a second time  and descends majestically, with pockets full of sacred fire (4/5 review) And another: Prometheus is a great success despite the 2-3 reservations, a premium movie that amateur science fiction has not seen on the big screen for a long time. Enjoy it without hesitation. And finally: In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, it achieved all its goals and often surpassed them.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
81% fresh ... are we over-inflating the negativity here or what? Are we that sensitive? run to theaters, says one review, because you rarely get to see science fiction as adult, as pure and as globally significant. Another says, Thirty-two years after Alien, Sir Ridley burgled the Olympus of the SF for a second time  and descends majestically, with pockets full of sacred fire (4/5 review) And another: Prometheus is a great success despite the 2-3 reservations, a premium movie that amateur science fiction has not seen on the big screen for a long time. Enjoy it without hesitation. And finally: In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, it achieved all its goals and often surpassed them.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 02:43:40 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
81% fresh ... are we over-inflating the negativity here or what? Are we that sensitive? run to theaters, says one review, because you rarely get to see science fiction as adult, as pure and as globally significant. Another says, Thirty-two years after Alien, Sir Ridley burgled the Olympus of the SF for a second time  and descends majestically, with pockets full of sacred fire (4/5 review) And another: Prometheus is a great success despite the 2-3 reservations, a premium movie that amateur science fiction has not seen on the big screen for a long time. Enjoy it without hesitation. And finally: In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, it achieved all its goals and often surpassed them.

This, dude.  So many of those other reviews didn't seem to say much about the rest of the bloody movie aside from whatever 4 minute sequence they found disagreeable.

I foresee a wave of chill hitting the freak-out beach soon. :laugh:  Movie's still going to rock, and another huge point that no one points out is that finally, after nearly 15 years (longer for some) we have an alien-related sci-fi movie that was given the proper treatment that an Alien film should receive.

Even if the film disappoints in areas, and of course it probably will, it was a fantastic effort and this is obvious from so much of what we've already seen.

That's a lot of points in my book, the effort and the treatment, they treated the franchise as a whole with respect.

Quote from: Alexx on May 29, 2012, 02:34:53 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
81% fresh ... are we over-inflating the negativity here or what? Are we that sensitive? run to theaters, says one review, because you rarely get to see science fiction as adult, as pure and as globally significant. Another says, Thirty-two years after Alien, Sir Ridley burgled the Olympus of the SF for a second time  and descends majestically, with pockets full of sacred fire (4/5 review) And another: Prometheus is a great success despite the 2-3 reservations, a premium movie that amateur science fiction has not seen on the big screen for a long time. Enjoy it without hesitation. And finally: In short, PROMETHEUS is fantastic, it achieved all its goals and often surpassed them.

Some people who don't like it think that they are the foremost authority on the ALIEN FRANCHISE that they can try to get others to assume that there is only one definitive review and that's a negative one...

Quote from: zuzuki on May 29, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
Did Lindelof pay you to write this? /s

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 02:43:40 PM
Even if the film disappoints in areas, and of course it probably will, it was a fantastic effort and this is obvious from so much of what we've already seen.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
I just want AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW by some one who is neither pre-conditioned to not like the film, nor, pre-conditioned to love the film. That's it. I'm tired of reading reviews by people that were disappointed before the film even released.

Quote from: mace-in-the-face on May 29, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
Why don't you idiots go read the wikipedia plot summary instead of trying to base an opinion on a movie critic's review?

It sounds like bland, boring, predictable shit that we've seen all before in some way or another.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 29, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
Actually it's obvious, if you're not a complete idiot.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
I just want AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW by some one who is neither pre-conditioned to not like the film, nor, pre-conditioned to love the film. That's it. I'm tired of reading reviews by people that were disappointed before the film even released.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
NGR01 I think that it's great that you're willing to go back, temper your reaction and see the film another time. I'm REALLY interested in what you think a second time around.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 29, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
I just want AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW by some one who is neither pre-conditioned to not like the film, nor, pre-conditioned to love the film.

Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 29, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
i had the idea that

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if shaw takes croissant and heads torwards engineer homeworld, she dies on the way and crashes on lv-426 giving birth to the first humanoid alien (xenomorph)? maybe that's the connection? but i don't want to look like some desperate fanboy hoping for elements to reappear from ALIEN, just some idea

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Quote from: Cvalda on May 29, 2012, 04:39:02 PM

Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 29, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
i had the idea that

Spoiler

if shaw takes croissant and heads torwards engineer homeworld, she dies on the way and crashes on lv-426 giving birth to the first humanoid alien (xenomorph)? maybe that's the connection? but i don't want to look like some desperate fanboy hoping for elements to reappear from ALIEN, just some idea

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Some IMDb poster who claimed to have read Spaihts original script last year said that same thing. Likely trolling, though.

Quote from: Darkness on May 29, 2012, 03:54:27 PM
A few more French reviews:

http://www.francesoir.fr/loisirs/cine/prometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html (http://www.francesoir.fr/loisirs/cine/prometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.francesoir.fr%2Floisirs%2Fcine%2Fprometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.francesoir.fr%2Floisirs%2Fcine%2Fprometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html)

8/10: http://blockbustermania.fr/critiques-cinema/cinema-science-fiction/744-critique-prometheus (http://blockbustermania.fr/critiques-cinema/cinema-science-fiction/744-critique-prometheus)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.francesoir.fr%2Floisirs%2Fcine%2Fprometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.francesoir.fr%2Floisirs%2Fcine%2Fprometheus-premiere-projection-aux-champs-elysees-231889.html)

http://www.cinemovies.fr/news_fiche.php?IDtitreactu=18355 (http://www.cinemovies.fr/news_fiche.php?IDtitreactu=18355)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinemovies.fr%2Fnews_fiche.php%3FIDtitreactu%3D18355 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinemovies.fr%2Fnews_fiche.php%3FIDtitreactu%3D18355)

2/5: http://www.ecrannoir.fr/films/filmsc.php?f=4235 (http://www.ecrannoir.fr/films/filmsc.php?f=4235)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecrannoir.fr%2Ffilms%2Ffilmsc.php%3Ff%3D4235 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecrannoir.fr%2Ffilms%2Ffilmsc.php%3Ff%3D4235)

4/5: http://www.critique-film.fr/prometheus-2/ (http://www.critique-film.fr/prometheus-2/)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.critique-film.fr%2Fprometheus-2%2F (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.critique-film.fr%2Fprometheus-2%2F)

http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2012/05/29/alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott_1709013_3246.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2012/05/29/alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott_1709013_3246.html)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Fculture%2Farticle%2F2012%2F05%2F29%2Falien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott_1709013_3246.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Fculture%2Farticle%2F2012%2F05%2F29%2Falien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott_1709013_3246.html)

http://www.toutlecine.com/cinema/l-actu-cinema/0002/00023012-prometheus-de-ridley-scott-retour-aux-origines.html (http://www.toutlecine.com/cinema/l-actu-cinema/0002/00023012-prometheus-de-ridley-scott-retour-aux-origines.html)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toutlecine.com%2Fcinema%2Fl-actu-cinema%2F0002%2F00023012-prometheus-de-ridley-scott-retour-aux-origines.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toutlecine.com%2Fcinema%2Fl-actu-cinema%2F0002%2F00023012-prometheus-de-ridley-scott-retour-aux-origines.html)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.senscritique.com%2Ffilm%2Fprometheus%2F3651293436415590%2Fcritique%2Fmcrucq%2Fhttp://www.senscritique.com/film/prometheus/3651293436415590/critique/mcrucq/ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.senscritique.com%2Ffilm%2Fprometheus%2F3651293436415590%2Fcritique%2Fmcrucq%2Fhttp://www.senscritique.com/film/prometheus/3651293436415590/critique/mcrucq/)

4/5: http://www.alvinet.com/actualite/articles/critique-prometheus-12993040.html (http://www.alvinet.com/actualite/articles/critique-prometheus-12993040.html)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excessif.com%2Fcinema%2Fcritique-prometheus-7319687-760.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excessif.com%2Fcinema%2Fcritique-prometheus-7319687-760.html)

http://actualite.portail.free.fr/culture/29-05-2012/prometheus-alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott/ (http://actualite.portail.free.fr/culture/29-05-2012/prometheus-alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott/)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Factualite.portail.free.fr%2Fculture%2F29-05-2012%2Fprometheus-alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott%2F (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Factualite.portail.free.fr%2Fculture%2F29-05-2012%2Fprometheus-alien-trahi-par-son-propre-createur-ridley-scott%2F)

http://www.blogifan.com/2012/05/critique-reporter-prometheus-tenues/ (http://www.blogifan.com/2012/05/critique-reporter-prometheus-tenues/)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogifan.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fcritique-reporter-prometheus-tenues%2F (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogifan.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fcritique-reporter-prometheus-tenues%2F)

http://bit.ly/LEbBtZ (http://bit.ly/LEbBtZ)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatthef**kisthat.fr%2Farticle-prometheus-la-destruction-seme-la-creation-106033922.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatthef**kisthat.fr%2Farticle-prometheus-la-destruction-seme-la-creation-106033922.html)

http://www.lepoint.fr/cinema/prometheus-aux-origines-d-alien-29-05-2012-1466324_35.php (http://www.lepoint.fr/cinema/prometheus-aux-origines-d-alien-29-05-2012-1466324_35.php)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lepoint.fr%2Fcinema%2Fprometheus-aux-origines-d-alien-29-05-2012-1466324_35.php (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lepoint.fr%2Fcinema%2Fprometheus-aux-origines-d-alien-29-05-2012-1466324_35.php)

http://www.gala.fr/l_actu/on_ne_parle_que_de_ca/prometheus_mauvais_alien_pour_ridley_scott_263280 (http://www.gala.fr/l_actu/on_ne_parle_que_de_ca/prometheus_mauvais_alien_pour_ridley_scott_263280)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gala.fr%2Fl_actu%2Fon_ne_parle_que_de_ca%2Fprometheus_mauvais_alien_pour_ridley_scott_263280 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gala.fr%2Fl_actu%2Fon_ne_parle_que_de_ca%2Fprometheus_mauvais_alien_pour_ridley_scott_263280)

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 02:30:20 AM
9.5/10. 
http://wlswarts.blogspot.ca/2012/05/divorced-from-marketing-prometheus-is.html (http://wlswarts.blogspot.ca/2012/05/divorced-from-marketing-prometheus-is.html)

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 03:02:49 AM
He gave Alien 3 a 9/10. Ugh!

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 30, 2012, 04:47:27 AM
It seems more people like it then hate it. I'm going to avoid all reviews at all cost and see it with a open mind. Surely it can't be worst then Robin Hood '010?

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 30, 2012, 04:47:27 AM
It seems more people like it then hate it. I'm going to avoid all reviews at all cost and see it with a open mind. Surely it can't be worst then Robin Hood '010?

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 30, 2012, 05:18:20 AM

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 30, 2012, 04:47:27 AM
It seems more people like it then hate it. I'm going to avoid all reviews at all cost and see it with a open mind. Surely it can't be worst then Robin Hood '010?

Off topic Question: I have never seen RobinHood '010. Was it that bad?

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 05:38:41 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 30, 2012, 05:18:20 AM

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 30, 2012, 04:47:27 AM
It seems more people like it then hate it. I'm going to avoid all reviews at all cost and see it with a open mind. Surely it can't be worst then Robin Hood '010?

Off topic Question: I have never seen RobinHood '010. Was it that bad?

It's not bad at all and there was just nothing special about it.  It just totally didn't need to be told with this version.  I think it wouldn't be hated by critics that much if Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves was never been made first.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 05:11:55 AM

I'm high-fiving myself for not seeing AvP-level reviews and spoilers.  It could've been so much worse.

QuoteRidley Scott's first sci-fier in the three decades since "Blade Runner" remains earthbound in narrative terms, forever hinting at the existence of a higher intelligence without evincing much of its own.

QuoteA visually stunning return to science-fiction by Ridley Scott caters too much to audience expectations when more imaginative boldness would have taken it further.

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 08:22:43 AM

Spoiler

QuoteH.R. Giger's iconic design elements remain a key influence here, particularly in the gratuitous parting shot.

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Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 08:32:19 AM

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 08:22:43 AM

Spoiler

QuoteH.R. Giger's iconic design elements remain a key influence here, particularly in the gratuitous parting shot.

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http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/Space-Sweeper/Lucille%20Gifs/Disgusted-Lucille-Eyeroll-Animated-gif-arrested-development-9465744-256-141.gif

...Oh goddammit.

QuoteTom Wells (?@TomWellsLSF): Just seen @UK_Prometheus. People, prepare to have your minds blown! Only one thing wrong with it- I WANT MORE! Still can't quite believe how good @UK_Prometheus is! One of the best I've seen in ages! Gotta see it again! ?#Prometheus? ?#AreYouSeeingThis?

Alex Billington (?@firstshowing): I just saw ?#Prometheus? last night – it was AWESOME. Loved it. Truly breathtaking, incredible, spectacular, thrilling sci-fi at its best. There's a lot of freaky, disgusting, tense moments, but not outright 'scare the shit out of me' personally. You'll dig.

Evan Dickson: So I can't run a review just yet – but I can say that PROMETHEUS is really good. It's simultaneously what you're expecting and not what you're expecting. Has some great moments. And not everything has been spoiled by the trailers. Still a bunch of surprises. It also requires you to engage and think along with it – you have to participate, which I like. My review is still under embargo and I might wait until tomorrow after I've seen the film again to write it. But I was not disappointed.

Larry Carroll? (@LarryCarroll): Other folks are blabbing, told I can too. "Prometheus" is the best Alien installment in decades; still, can't touch the first 2 flicks. Fassbender steals every scene he's in. Idris Elba also great. Beautifully shot, at least one instant classic scene. Leaves u wanting sequel.

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 03:59:47 PM
Off topic: Blu-ray Deal: ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-ray Set 63% Off   $29.99/ 15hrs left or until it's all sold out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/discussion/A1TT0ISI0WVYM4/?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_t=701&tag=collidercom-20&linkCode=ur2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&camp=1789&pf_rd_r=1VFHWFZGRN232N3BS13W&creative=9325&pf_rd_i=20 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/discussion/A1TT0ISI0WVYM4/?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_t=701&tag=collidercom-20&linkCode=ur2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&camp=1789&pf_rd_r=1VFHWFZGRN232N3BS13W&creative=9325&pf_rd_i=20)

QuoteRidley Scott has counter-evolved his 1979 classic Alien into something more grandiose, more elaborate – but less interesting. In place of scariness there is wonderment; in place of tension there is hugely ambitious design; in place of unforgettable shocks there are reminders of the original's unforgettable shocks.

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
The Sun's review (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/4347122/Prometheus-A-first-review.html) added.

Quote from: Valaquen on May 30, 2012, 04:23:01 PM

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
The Sun's review (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/4347122/Prometheus-A-first-review.html) added.

Could've been written by a schoolboy.

Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 30, 2012, 04:25:13 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on May 30, 2012, 04:23:01 PM

Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
The Sun's review (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/4347122/Prometheus-A-first-review.html) added.

Could've been written by a schoolboy.

Knowing The Sun....

Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Peter Bradshaw's review in the Guardian is the main UK review I was waiting for.

His words do not fill me with hope. Not that I really have any by this point.

QuoteRidley Scott has counter-evolved his 1979 classic Alien into something more grandiose, more elaborate – but less interesting. In place of scariness there is wonderment; in place of tension there is hugely ambitious design; in place of unforgettable shocks there are reminders of the original's unforgettable shocks.

So, more or less exactly what I've been expecting.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 30, 2012, 05:12:21 PM

Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Peter Bradshaw's review in the Guardian is the main UK review I was waiting for.

His words do not fill me with hope. Not that I really have any by this point.

QuoteRidley Scott has counter-evolved his 1979 classic Alien into something more grandiose, more elaborate – but less interesting. In place of scariness there is wonderment; in place of tension there is hugely ambitious design; in place of unforgettable shocks there are reminders of the original's unforgettable shocks.

So, more or less exactly what I've been expecting.

What do you mean? They gave it 3/5 didn't they? That equates to 'Good' from what I recall.

Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 30, 2012, 06:18:26 PM
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-worldwide-reactions-mixed-reviews.php (http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-worldwide-reactions-mixed-reviews.php)

Thought you guys would like to know WhatCulture have praised this thread ;)

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 30, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
What do you mean? They gave it 3/5 didn't they? That equates to 'Good' from what I recall.

Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 30, 2012, 06:18:26 PM
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-worldwide-reactions-mixed-reviews.php (http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-worldwide-reactions-mixed-reviews.php)

Thought you guys would like to know WhatCulture have praised this thread ;)

Quote from: Slithar on May 30, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
I've seen it today. Okay I'm not a critic, but I love good movies. And this is a hell of a good movie. The story is hard to understand, it might seem unclear, but actually if you connect all the elements from the movie you eventually get it.

Actors are really good and their characters pretty interesting, especially David. Graphics are awesome. This is great science-fiction.

As regards links to alien, yes, here's the alien DNA. The mix between horror and sci-fi is good. It's not as focused on getting you scared, but that's really awesome. Sorry, I'm french, so I might need to know english a bit better to tell what I mean.

Honestly, I loved it. It's the movie I've been waiting for.

Quote from: Gazz on May 30, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
EMPIRE review is up
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119 (http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119)

3/5

Also of note is that the film has been reviewed by Ian Nathan, the man who recently wrote and released the Alien Vault book.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
I don't care if the entire film falls flat on its' face.  Fassbender's performance has been universally lauded across the board.

WIN!

Oh and this from the Empire review, I think sums up many of our fears nicely, and is also side-splitting hilarious:

Spoiler

QuoteAnd the stand-ins are no great shakes — somewhere in Switzerland Giger is snorting into his schnapps. Early on we glimpse beneath the exoskeleton — sorry, spacesuit — and the Space Jockey, sorry Engineer, turns out to be a overly-pumped bald bloke with dead-eyes who has no dialogue and punches people across the room. So basically they've spent two years in cryo to discover that God is Jason Statham.

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Those lolz. :laugh:

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
I don't care if the entire film falls flat on its' face.  Fassbender's performance has been universally lauded across the board.

WIN!

Oh and this from the Empire review, I think sums up many of our fears nicely, and is also side-splitting hilarious:

Spoiler

QuoteAnd the stand-ins are no great shakes — somewhere in Switzerland Giger is snorting into his schnapps. Early on we glimpse beneath the exoskeleton — sorry, spacesuit — and the Space Jockey, sorry Engineer, turns out to be a overly-pumped bald bloke with dead-eyes who has no dialogue and punches people across the room. So basically they've spent two years in cryo to discover that God is Jason Statham.

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Those lolz. :laugh:

QuotePerhaps more than any other film, 'Prometheus' is reminiscent of Chris Nolan's 'Inception': it's slick, gorgeously designed and scattered with intriguing concepts. But there's just no real power behind it. The characters are thin and emotionless, the plot twists are predictable and the entire thing seems built on ideas plucked from superior predecessors (in addition to the original 'Alien' movies, there's a little bit of '2001: A Space Odyssey', a touch of 'The Abyss' and a whole lot of 'Star Trek'). There's no denying that 'Prometheus' will make for a perfectly entertaining night at the movies – but we were promised so much more.

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/90469/prometheus.html#top_comments_main (http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/90469/prometheus.html#top_comments_main)

Sounds damn good to me.  Just another person expecting an Alien prequel.

Quote from: RagingDragon on May 31, 2012, 12:02:29 AM

Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 30, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/90469/prometheus.html#top_comments_main (http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/90469/prometheus.html#top_comments_main)

Sounds damn good to me.  Just another person expecting an Alien prequel.

If you read that and thought 'damn good' I really don't think you understand what was said in the review... at all.

Quote from: modprecar on May 31, 2012, 07:22:15 AM
Hi Guys

Just found out legit its not a sequal & not even a follow up just same universe with the weyland bloke & the ending has nothing to do with 1979 Alien ( Spewing ) they f**ked up & shit story i have been an Alien fan for 29 years f**k you lindof what ever your name is.

Quote from: modprecar on May 31, 2012, 07:22:15 AM
Hi Guys

Just found out legit its not a sequal & not even a follow up just same universe with the weyland bloke & the ending has nothing to do with 1979 Alien ( Spewing ) they f**ked up & shit story i have been an Alien fan for 29 years f**k you lindof what ever your name is.

QuoteSecondly, the so-called grand revelations Scott promised are totally missing from the film. It is obvious now that it is not a standalone movie, and its conclusion paves the way for Prometheus 2...

Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on May 31, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
So I saw it yesterday. Historical day.

It's a major movie experience, an uncommon one. Every shot, every scene is this film bears the imprint of a master, there's no denying that. I was a bit annoyed by the 3D at first as it dones town the colours, but after a while you just don't care because you're so taken by the story and atmosphere... and you forget the Alien reference because you get something else entirely. What I like most is the subtle touches that make the distinction between an artist and a hack. I don't agree with people who say the characters are not likeable, Scott knows how to do that, he demonstrated it all through his work. Fassbender is magnetic once again, his performance will go down in history as one of the most memorable sci-fi characters ever. Rapace's acting is imbued with emotion. The writing is not as bas as some pretend, actually a few lines are likely to become classic stuff. Some scenes are quite intense and harrowing.

That being said...

It's been repeated over here countless times. The key word is frustration. There are several reasons to that.

The first is that there is virtually no surprise element. The most beautiful shots have been shown in all trailers and featurettes and clips, most of the time in glorious HD. Take the ship for example, there is scarcely any new external view. As to the most shocking horror parts, everybody's already well acquainted with them : the "snake" attacking Milburn, forcing its way down his throat, Fifield's bubble helmet melting and collapsing on his face. Enough has been exhibited of the medical pod scene to imagine what can be going on inside. I am puzzled by this marketing strategy consisting in releasing unduly spoiler-heavy commercials. I understand the necessity to lure audiences into theaters with powerful imagery, but it is a choice which may well backfire on Fox. Alien's trailer was a masterpiece, totally suggestive and unrevealing and yet utterly effective, couldn't the same approach have been adopted with Prometheus ? Anyway, there is nothing in the film, not a single twist that hasn't been figured out by someone around here.

Secondly, the so-called grand revelations Scott promised are totally missing from the film. It is obvious now that it is not a standalone movie, and its conclusion paves the way for Prometheus 2, which is bound to be tremendously epic, an even more drastic departure from Alien, and set in a far more spectacular location. Now we can better understand Fassbender's puzzling line : "Big things have small beginnings". How ironical.

Last but not least, the sci-fi fan in me cannot but regret the dirth of creatures in this would-be epic. I can't say that I'm disappointed by the Jockeys' appearance because it has been long-known that Scott had decided to make them human-like (still, those tall waxen-skinned eggheads I have a hard time accepting...), but I expected this choice to be tampered by the inclusion of  various critters, a "veritable zoo" to quote the original Starbeast script... In lieu of which you have a bunch of worms, an eel, a guy who goes berserk because of an acid squirt in his face, and an octopus. And finally, concerning the big question : are there gonna be xenos or not ? The very last images provide you with an answer. That anticlimax was certainly intended as a wink, or a concession, to hardcore Alien fans. To me, it seemed as if Scott and co were giving them the finger.

In short, Prometheus is an important film that cannot be summarily dismissed as a pile of garbage. However, one would be hard pushed to say that it is an accomplished masterpiece. But then, Scott never made a perfect film. What matters is that his style and touch are unique. No one could have done it better than him. I sincerely hope this one is going to be hugely successful because I am definitely eager to see its sequel.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
What do you mean.....he managed it?

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 11:52:39 AM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
What do you mean.....he managed it?

I think valaquen means after a couple of 'director cuts' etc. etc. I'd agree though, Blade Runner, no matter how much I may love it, how influential it may be is not a perfect movie (if indeed there is such a thing).

QuoteScott's Alien prequel falls short in philosophical ambitions and characterization, but in visual imagery and mood, it's a thrilling, haunting, awesome spectacle likley to become a cult phenom.

Quote from: Eva on May 31, 2012, 01:09:37 PM
While Empire is one of the best movie magazines out there and their reviewers are usually quite capable and unbiased, I'll admit to that particular review coming across as a bit rubbish with bits of hyperbole negativity, to put it frankly. That's not how Ian Nathan usually writes so I'd partly agree with the notion, that he might have had some ideas he personally would like to have seen realized with this film and it just didn't happen. This is his gut reaction.

Ian Nathan wrote Alien Vault as the huge fan he is and he might be so invested in the original film, that to some degree, it worked against him on this one. I don't mind his mixed feelings about the film, but it just seems to get the better of him with this particular screening, judging from the words he chose for that review.

I've read a couple of the other reviews listed and they are quite good, well-argued and level-headed.

QuoteBut finally, Prometheus returns to that inevitable question: why? Why make the film? Because there was both appetite and opportunity. Why move away from so much that made the Alien franchise great? Because that was then and this is now. Why set us up for an answer you're not prepared to give? Because of shameless studio greed. Maybe it will work. Maybe Prometheus will snap more clearly into focus with the hindsight afforded by additional sequels. Maybe the price we have to pay for a future classic is a crushing sense of present disappointment.

Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
From Little White Lies:
http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/prometheus-20646 (http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/prometheus-20646)

QuoteBut finally, Prometheus returns to that inevitable question: why? Why make the film? Because there was both appetite and opportunity. Why move away from so much that made the Alien franchise great? Because that was then and this is now. Why set us up for an answer you're not prepared to give? Because of shameless studio greed. Maybe it will work. Maybe Prometheus will snap more clearly into focus with the hindsight afforded by additional sequels. Maybe the price we have to pay for a future classic is a crushing sense of present disappointment.

Overall it's actually a somewhat positive review. :P

Quote from: Valaquen on May 31, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
But his review does sound disappointed that there's no facehuggers and chestbursters, and his Jockey/Statham comment was stupid.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on May 31, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
pretty damning review on den of geek, they gave it 2 out of 5 stars and those guys are massive fanboys!..
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/21531/prometheus-review (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/21531/prometheus-review)

Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 08:32:17 PM
Oh come on. One of the biggest ALIEN fans out there, who also happens to be a decent critic, isn't the right person to review the prequel to what is possibly his favorite film? Puh-leez. And Nathan has known all along with the rest of us the Engineers were big blue humanoids, etc. That's not the source of his disappointment. Read the review: it's that what's there to stand in place for facehuggers, chestbursters and space jockeys is nowhere near comparable in terms of quality, and the script itself (in his opinion at least) is not up to snuff--a very widespread complaint that crops up in the majority of reviews, actually.

Quote from: Caiman on May 31, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
It is evident that newspapers, and publications with much larger and more immediate circulations than specialised movie mags, and such, are giving this film positive reviews. It's looking promising!

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 03:20:58 PMwow..the flickering myth review is pretty positive.

Quote from: Caiman on May 31, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
Yes indeed. As ever, it seems it's the fans who are perhaps the harshest critics...

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 11:11:02 PM
As ever, it seems it's the fans who are perhaps the harshest critics...

Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 01:59:41 AM
So this is worst then robin hood Oh dear god

Quote

So I unexpectedly got a ticket to see the screening of Ridley Scott's Prometheus on Wednesday.  I think it's because I was nice to Fox and ran that competition for Tim Burton's 9 that one time where people won sweet ass picture encyclopaedias. That was fun.  Anyway.  Here's my review of Prometheus with a look at the science behind it.  There will be spoilers. So if you want to go into the movie knowing nothing, and yet insist on reading this blogpost first, you're going to have a bad time.

Anyway, the science.  The basic premise of Prometheus is that humans discover a star map coded into the scribblings of a dozen ancient races, and decide to follow it in the hopes of meeting their maker, an alien race they refer to as the Engineers.  Kind of like Frankenstein, but in reverse.  The monster in search of his master.  Or maybe Blade Runner  from the replicants' point of view.  Naturally, within a couple of years, the "scientists" Shaw and her improbably good-looking husband Holloway have convinced ageing bazillionaire Weyland (played by Guy Pearce in a load of face rubber; please for the love of Zeus Hollywood stop pulling this shit, there must be some old actors you can hire) to fund their billion mile space jaunt to an as-yet unvisited moon that can support life, where they think they'll find their ancestors/makers/answers.

The Mission
Pretty much the scantest project brief ever.  It doesn't really make sense, because none of the human races were in contact with each other (a fact the movie explicitly states), and arise at different times, which means if the aliens did make people, they must have kept coming back or left reminders or something.  But then stopped doing this around 1,000 BC.  Go figure. Knowledge of the ancients.   With Shaw and Holloway on board, the total number of people on the ship who know what they're actually doing on this trip is: two.  Everyone else has to be briefed on arrival.  That's several more "scientists", some muscle, the flight crew, an android called David who is Weyland's surrogate son, and Charlize Theron's bitch of a manager/executive/not really sure.  Seriously guys? Cinema trips with my pals are better prepared than this.  No one thought to ask what they'd be doing when they signed up for a 4 year round trip to a new planet?  The money must be really good.

The Scientists
You might notice I keep putting scientists in inverted commas. That's because the scientists in this film are that special breed of Hollywood hyperpolymaths, as they're at home on archaeological digs and geological expeditions, then slicing up alien corpses, then carrying out medical procedures on eachother.  In the future, specialism is so out.  Everyone's a Multidisciplinologist!  Shaw seems to be some kind of Creation Science graduate as she's hoping to find God, or maybe not find God, on the moon.  That's a bit weird filter for an archaeologist to bear, seeing as it explicitly colours her theories and research, but there you go.
Just wait til the Kent Hovind Institute gets a load of my new paper!

Just wait til the Kent Hovind Institute gets a load of my new paper!

Holloway is the materialist, seeking hard answers straight from the Space Jockey's mouth.  Android David doubles as the linguist, using the 2 year outbound voyage to catch up on his ancient Sumerian/Cuneiform, which apparently will let him speak to the Engineers (again, this doesn't really make any sense, but whatever.  Also, a four-year round trip and you people are hypersleeping?  Lazy gits. Darwin rolled on the Beagle for five years, and you better believe he didn't spend all that time in bed. Catch up on your emails or something). Sean Harris' geologist, as he points out "just came to make money".  I'm not really sure what kind of scientists Kate Dickie and Rafe Spall are supposed to be.  But there's a variety of views and temperaments, so while the notion of "science" in the movie is pretty fuzzy, as characters they're a well defined, likeable bunch.  And the lab coats only get worn in the lab. Extra points for that, Hollywood.

The Science
As we've discussed, this is probably the most slap-dash, ill-prepared scientific mission ever.  No one really knows what to expect, and they only carry out atmospheric analysis on arrival to let them know if they can step out onto the surface without dying instantly.  On the upside, they have gorgeous space suits to go out in (costume designer and long-time Scott collaborator Janty Yates deserves high praise).  Holloway is the spitting image of Commander Shepard of the Normandy in his suit, which I liked for no clever reason.  The scientific techniques carried out during the movie are a bit hit and miss.  Conceptually, items such at the moving arm scanner on the hospital bed, and what I will only refer to as the "coin-operated vivisection chamber", are ace, and a good extrapolation of emerging technology.  They're swish and smooth and white and very much like Apple products.  And like Apple products, the people using them don't really seem to know what they're doing.
Hey guys, look at that sign. What the hell is "BSL-4?"

Hey guys, look at that sign. What the hell is "BSL-4?"

A 'perfectly preserved' alien head is sterilised in an autoclave before biopsy.  The same head is carbon dated, which doesn't make a lick of sense as the scientists have no idea what the C14 levels are on the planet where the alien lived, so they've no reference data.  We know it can't be the C14 present in the air here, as nothing grows on the moon.  NOBODY FOLLOWS ANY KIND OF BIOHAZARD PROTOCOL. One of them brings a biowarfare agent onto the ship in a bloody duffel bag, and Mickey Finns a colleague with it.  Two more decide to camp in a room filled with the oozing black goo. Guys, seriously, that stuff looks dangerous. Don't put that in your mouth. Haven't you ever heard of airborne infections? Put your bloody helmets back on!  It's like a primary school trip to Vozrozhdeniya Island.  The alien DNA is a "100% match" to our own. I'm not sure what this means.  That we're them, obviously. But 100%? I share 99% of my DNA with a chimp. Does that mean they made chimps too? But if they're a 100%  match for us, where did they get the extra 1% DNA we don't share with chimps? Do they use some other DNA that they manufactured? Does that mean the Engineers made all life on Earth or just kick it off and let it evolve?  If the latter, why did they let chimps evolve but make us out of a mould?   Doesn't that mean, at the end of the day, that chimps have a better reason to meet the Engineers, as they clawed their way up from a protist to resemble their gods? This movie probably would have worked better if it had come out in the 1950, before Hershey and Chase published their ideas. Or maybe 1850.

The Environment
As our heroes approach the moon, there's a shot of the spaceship as it floats in front of a ringed gas giant.  And of course, those rings are popping out in 3D. Which is jarringly wrong, because the huge depth perception I'm experiencing means either my eyes have suddenly become two million kilometres apart, or the spaceship has shrunk to the size of a flea.  I really, really think this stuff matters. It's like suddenly catching sight of of the stage lighting rig, or a really obvious matte painting. Or shooting a planet in tilt-shift.  Anyway, on arrival, the world is covered in snow and lightning and clouds and mountains but inexplicably nothing green, so I guess they were wrong about it being able to support life.  The atmosphere is 20% oxygen but isn't suitable for humans, by virtue of its 3% carbon dioxide, enough to make Al Gore rise from his grave and film another documentary.  The thing is, didn't anyone bother to check this first? Who filled out the OSHA forms for this mission?  Look, I never studied chemistry, but I know that by bubbling it through some calcium oxide, you could scrub your air of carbon dioxide. Did anyone pack quicklime hookas to let them breathe on the surface of this moon? Did they hell.  The strange thing is that the atmosphere is modified inside the alien's moon base.  This suggests that the Engineers can't breathe the moon's atmosphere either, which makes sense if they're a perfect genetic match with us.  But if that's the case, why are the Engineers all wearing breathing apparatus inside  the base?  And why is one very angry Engineer able to wander unsuited outside the base to chase Shaw without suffocating?
Dammit, who put alien biowarfare agent in my coffee, again?

Dammit, who put alien biowarfare agent in my coffee, again?

The Aliens
When our heroes arrive on the moon, they find it deserted, filled with the corpses of the Engineers.  It seems their bug spray (ha-ha) got loose, probably because they stacked it in thousands of leaky vases that melt when creatures with their exact genetic signature enter the room.  So there are essentially four non-human species on this planet.  The Engineers, their liquid facehugger cakemix, and the resulting aliens. It's hinted that the Engineers were overrun by the xenomorphs, and quite a few have big holes in their chests, which is a bad sign.  But there are no xenomorphs to be seen. Remember that. We find that the bug spray has very inconsistent effects.  In the stockroom, it turns into snake-like facehuggers.  At least, I thought it did, until I remembered the split second shot of the worms crawling around on the floor. What are these worms eating??  Why do they exist when nothing else is alive? Anyway, the bug spray combines with the worms to make snake facehuggers. When a human gets in contact with the bug spray, they get very sick, and if they're not barbecued, they turn into a super powered zombie. I wish I was making that up.  Unless they're tainted in the biblical sense, where upon the goop turns into an enormous facehugger squid.  Sometimes if Engineers are exposed to the bug spray, they melt and seed life on a planet. At least, I think they do. It might have been a different goop that the makes the Engineers do that.  Weirdly, the only human to get a kiss from a facehugger never gets a follow-up.  The creature leaps from his gullet, leaves him for dead, and we never hear of him again. No chestburster, nothing.  But here's the rub: if the Engineers were wiped out by xenomorphs, where did the acid-spitters go?  The film ends with a lone, proper, acid-spitting xenomorph left on the planet.  We know from experience (and Alien) that a single creature will become a queen, lay some eggs, and presumably pass away.  If that's the case, the Engineer's base should be chock-full of alien eggs, just as the crew of the Nostradamus find it to be when they land.  But there aren't any.  Just what exactly is going on?

Military plans
For what it's worth, the Engineers (I really believe the original script wanted them to be called Titans, which would make sense, but recent blockbuster films ruled that out), are very big, and very angry.  So angry that one, woken from hypersleep several thousand years late (do they not have timer locks on these bloody things?) immediately goes on the rampage.  His first instinct is to kill all humans (and androids) present.  And then get in his ship to kill a whole planet humans with his bayload of bug spray. Dude, aren't you even going to check in with your commanding officer first?  Why is it so important to bomb Earth?  There are humans stood right in front of you!  They clearly know how to reach other planets. So what advantage is there in wiping out everyone on Earth?  Your roaches have spread. Which leads me onto the biggest problem in Prometheus:  why the heck did the Engineers leave a map on Earth to the location of a remote military base where they're stockpiling biological weapons?  A base they established for the sole purpose of wiping out Earth's humans?  What possible sense does that make?

In conclusion
I was entertained by Prometheus, really I was.  It had shocks (if little suspense), it looked beautiful, the acting was top notch and the characterisation great.  And the science that I've picked apart here – none of it was crucial to the plot.  It doesn't really matter how the Engineers make their goop, or how their base stays pressurised when its got great gaping holes in it.  It doesn't matter that everyone's feet stay on the ground on the spaceship, or how a facehugger grows to giant size with no obvious food source.  It's the application of these slices of science fiction, in a haphazard an inconsistent way, that let the film down.  Fiction is all about constructing rules for your imaginary world and ensuring that everything inside that universe sticks to those rules.  When they don't, the viewer is lost amongst so many pretty slices of celluloid.  It feels, like so many films to come out of Hollywood lately, that there is a conflict between the director, the scriptwriter and the producer, each trying to make a different film.  Is it a horror like Alien? A noirish cerebral like Blade Runner?  Like Frankenstein's Monster, it feels grafted together and pumped into life, with expert attention to the process and none to what the end result will be.  This a movie that, if it became sentient, would hunt down its makers and ask the very questions its heroes want answers to: why am I here, why did you make me, what is my purpose?

Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:17:53 AM
Bit dissapointed in this review from Empire

"Buffeted by a lack of suspense, threadbare characters, and a very poor script, the stunning visuals, gloopy madness, and sterling Fassbenderiness can't prevent Prometheus feeling like Alien's poor relation"

:(

QuoteIf that's the case, the Engineer's base should be chock-full of alien eggs, just as the crew of the Nostradamus find it to be when they land

Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 01, 2012, 02:40:37 AM

Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:17:53 AM
Bit dissapointed in this review from Empire

"Buffeted by a lack of suspense, threadbare characters, and a very poor script, the stunning visuals, gloopy madness, and sterling Fassbenderiness can't prevent Prometheus feeling like Alien's poor relation"

:(

This is a guy who spent years researching the original Alien movie... I feel, based on his words, that he had a lot of preconceived notions that were contradicted here.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Jun 01, 2012, 02:52:48 AM
Yet to be released. So says Nostradamus.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
This is the best quote about Prometheus I have read

"Prometheus was always going to have a hard time being the film it, and we, wanted to be."

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
This is the best quote about Prometheus I have read

"Prometheus was always going to have a hard time being the film it, and we, wanted to be."

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 04:47:11 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
This is the best quote about Prometheus I have read

"Prometheus was always going to have a hard time being the film it, and we, wanted to be."

The problem with the film isn't with living up to expectations, its almost a purely editorial problem. The editing is a botch.

Quote from: Gash on Jun 01, 2012, 05:01:14 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 04:47:11 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
This is the best quote about Prometheus I have read

"Prometheus was always going to have a hard time being the film it, and we, wanted to be."

The problem with the film isn't with living up to expectations, its almost a purely editorial problem. The editing is a botch.

Terry Rawlings, where art thou?

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 05:23:54 PM
My thoughts during the film, exactly. The editing here is on par with Terminator Salvation.

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 06:46:54 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 05:23:54 PM
My thoughts during the film, exactly. The editing here is on par with Terminator Salvation.

Oh no you di-in't!

Seriously?!

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
I'm just most upset reading about the editing of the final battle from your review. I was expecting something tense and frightening for that climactic duel. We really have almost already seen everything in it?

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:47 PM

Spoiler

Theron's character would've been fine if she wasn't undermined by a really dodgy, "yes, father" line delivery towards Weyland. And her meaning still wasn't entirely clear - was she a human, or was she his daughter in the sense that David was his son?  ??? We never find out because it's brought up and then dropped, with no reflection on the moment

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Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 06:59:50 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:47 PM

Spoiler

Theron's character would've been fine if she wasn't undermined by a really dodgy, "yes, father" line delivery towards Weyland. And her meaning still wasn't entirely clear - was she a human, or was she his daughter in the sense that David was his son?  ??? We never find out because it's brought up and then dropped, with no reflection on the moment

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Spoiler

If she had been an android, there was no point in her wasting precious time getting suited up before jettisoning in the escape pod. There are also several other factors pretty much identifying her as a human, to me at last. I feel like there should have been much more tension between her, Weyland and David, perhaps to the degree that old Weyland would die by her hand and not the engineers. The writers setup a huge amount of antagonism between the 3 of them, but didn't put it to any good effect, mostly demonstrated in how Vickers dies in the end. A bit of a waste imo.

Sorry for the long rant  ;)

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Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:47 PM

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 06:46:54 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 05:23:54 PM
My thoughts during the film, exactly. The editing here is on par with Terminator Salvation.

Oh no you di-in't!

Seriously?!

Seriously. Things happen with no consequence. Conversations feel cut up, or are cut off. Plot points are dropped. Characters go nowhere. Even when the film thinks it's giving you an answer, it's really, really not: (spoiler!)

Spoiler

Theron's character would've been fine if she wasn't undermined by a really dodgy, "yes, father" line delivery towards Weyland. And her meaning still wasn't entirely clear - was she a human, or was she his daughter in the sense that David was his son?  ??? We never find out because it's brought up and then dropped, with no reflection on the moment

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EDIT: I should add that the beginning of the film is impeccable. Later, things fall apart.

Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 07:18:34 PM
They could essentially have cut the cave expedition scenes just after the opening montage and perhaps also the sequence showing David monitering Shaws dream. Those scenes didn't really amount to anything the way the were utilized in the theatrical cut. Some 7-8 minutes extra added in other places of the film, could have helped ironing out a couple of issues.

Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 06:59:50 PM

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:47 PM

Spoiler

Theron's character would've been fine if she wasn't undermined by a really dodgy, "yes, father" line delivery towards Weyland. And her meaning still wasn't entirely clear - was she a human, or was she his daughter in the sense that David was his son?  ??? We never find out because it's brought up and then dropped, with no reflection on the moment

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Spoiler

If she had been an android, there was no point in her wasting precious time getting suited up before jettisoning in the escape pod. There are also several other factors pretty much identifying her as a human, to me at last. I feel like there should have been much more tension between her, Weyland and David, perhaps to the degree that old Weyland would die by her hand and not the engineers. The writers setup a huge amount of antagonism between the 3 of them, but didn't put it to any good effect, mostly demonstrated in how Vickers dies in the end. A bit of a waste imo.

Sorry for the long rant  ;)

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Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
Aliens managed to gather a crowd of characters into a room and give them all their say.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 07:09:22 PM

Spoiler

The way Chance and Ravel chirpily agree to end their lives and ram into the Juggernaut ... I couldn't believe it. What do these guys think of life and death? Nothing. They're props and nothing more.

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Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 07:18:34 PM
They could essentially have cut the cave expedition scenes just after the opening montage and perhaps also the sequence showing David monitering Shaws dream. Those scenes didn't really amount to anything the way the were utilized in the theatrical cut. Some 7-8 minutes extra added in other places of the film, could have helped ironing out a couple of issues.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 11:36:12 PM
79 percent fresh....I'd say this film is a success...so far.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
Aliens managed to gather a crowd of characters into a room and give them all their say. Prometheus doesn't manage this; it doesn't even try. They don't even need character arcs, just character.

Spoiler

The way Chance and Ravel chirpily agree to end their lives and ram into the Juggernaut ... I couldn't believe it. What do these guys think of life and death? Nothing. They're props and nothing more.

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 11:40:54 PM
I just did a search using the keyword Prometheus on twitter...and again...OVERWHELMINGLY positive reviews...and yes, there are people who were/are disappointed in the film...but, for now, it looks like Fox has a bonafide hit on their hands, despite fanboys and girls upset because they didn't get the film the expected. ..

Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 02, 2012, 12:34:58 AMThe average Joe seems to like the movie beacuse most of them actually have lives.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
I am starting to have a sour taste in my mouth after reading such fanboycentric negativity. I finally get it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
I finally get it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 04:11:15 AM
Wow....Bloody Disgusting....4/5 that's crazy!

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
I am starting to have a sour taste in my mouth after reading such fanboycentric negativity. I finally get it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
I am starting to have a sour taste in my mouth after reading such fanboycentric negativity. I finally get it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I actually couldn't stand Tron Legacy, and Alien Resurrection....don't get me started about that waste of self parody and celluloid. And point taken, I haven't seen the film. I think what I'm experiencing (which is my own fault as I keep coming here) is not just 'I didn't like the film' rather it's 'what a mess, it was lazy, sloppy, etc....' when clearly we know Scott put his time into this and said how much he enjoyed making the film. That doesn't mean that we should like it because he put so much effort into it, I'm just a little disheartened that s many unfounded charges are being levelled. As I've said, often times people fault the art for them not liking it.

That being said, my apologies for the earlier post, I didn't intend to insult anyone per se. Sometimes I don't think before I write.

Jaime

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 03:19:37 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I actually couldn't stand Tron Legacy, and Alien Resurrection....don't get me started about that waste of self parody and celluloid. And point taken, I haven't seen the film. I think what I'm experiencing (which is my own fault as I keep coming here) is not just 'I didn't like the film' rather it's 'what a mess, it was lazy, sloppy, etc....' when clearly we know Scott put his time into this and said how much he enjoyed making the film. That doesn't mean that we should like it because he put so much effort into it, I'm just a little disheartened that s many unfounded charges are being levelled. As I've said, often times people fault the art for them not liking it.

That being said, my apologies for the earlier post, I didn't intend to insult anyone per se. Sometimes I don't think before I write.

Jaime

the charges are not unfounded, the editing is a shambles, the music is very very wrong and spoils the atmosphere in what should be horror/thriller moments, instead of silence or tension building scary music we get some stupid superman/indiana jones type jingle theme. character development is crap, story arcs are wasted, the movie is unoriginal, and the creatures are absolutely ridiculous.

a lot of it makes no sense and also makes a mockery of alien, other movies in the series and most importantly the alien life cycle is now just a confusing mess.

now as ive said before, before i saw the movie, i had reservations about the design element because a lot of it didnt fit in with the established franchise design, now i was prepared to ignore that because i understood why they had to make that choice, and that didnt affect the film at all, in fact the cinematocraphy, sets etc and 3d are just beautiful. but with all the other problems added to the non fitting designs, i honestly came out of the cinema feeling exactly as i did in 1999 after watching the phantom menace. ridley has done a george lucas in more wyas than 1, and yes, a lot of it is sloppy and lazy and unoriginal.

now you may totally disagree, and you may well love the movie, and thats your choice, youre welcome to your opinion but i will ask one thing of you, when youve seen the movie, come back and discuss it and be totally honest, dont defend it just to save face after all youve said. and dont try to defend things with bad logic or sarcastic remarks like you have in the past.

and seriously, i really hope you do love the movie and dont come away disappointed as many of us have, it still has plenty of good points, and  i really hpope ridley makes a much improved sequel that clears up some of the mess

thanks

rich

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 03:47:06 PM
"dont try to defend things with bad logic or sarcastic remarks like you have in the past."

Rich, respectfully, that's insulting. I have made some errors in judgement when it comes to things that I post, but I pride myself in the ability to apologize and own up to what I do. I would appreciate you keep those kinds of personal opinions to yourself.

Thanks

Jaime

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
@ Darth Vile

blinkered? whys that then? do explain, its honest. nothing blinkered about it, blinkered would be if i defended the indefensible and ignored flaws.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:03:22 PM
Let me put that simply: the complete and total pooch-screw of bad writing and editing cannot overcome Ridley's vision and the performances of the great actors/actresses, no matter how hard it tries.

Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 02, 2012, 06:58:16 PM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
@ Darth Vile

blinkered? whys that then? do explain, its honest. nothing blinkered about it, blinkered would be if i defended the indefensible and ignored flaws.

thanks

rich

Because you seem to talk in such absolutes... because you appear to state your opinions as empirical facts. And when one does that there is an inference that anyone with opposing views is ignoring (or can't see) the emperical facts you think exist. You seem to take a superior stance...

Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 01, 2012, 07:07:10 PM

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Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 05:23:54 PM
My thoughts during the film, exactly. The editing here is on par with Terminator Salvation.

Oh no you di-in't!

Seriously?!

Seriously. Things happen with no consequence. Conversations feel cut up, or are cut off. Plot points are dropped. Characters go nowhere. Even when the film thinks it's giving you an answer, it's really, really not: (spoiler!)

Spoiler

Theron's character would've been fine if she wasn't undermined by a really dodgy, "yes, father" line delivery towards Weyland. And her meaning still wasn't entirely clear - was she a human, or was she his daughter in the sense that David was his son?  ??? We never find out because it's brought up and then dropped, with no reflection on the moment

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EDIT: I should add that the beginning of the film is impeccable. Later, things fall apart.

I don't think that's true (in terms of plot points dropped, conversations going nowhere etc.)... I certainly think there are too many characters for Prometheus to be a character study piece... (Alien is certainly a lot tighter regarding the character dynamics) therefore there is no real sense of emotional arcs for the main protagonists in Prometheus... but I'd argue 'why should there be?'. My view is that the movie is just a well made/intelligent sci/fi movie designed to appeal to the masses. It's a lot more mainstream than Alien was, but it's hardly Avengers Assemble (unless that type of vapid entertainment rings ones bell).  ;)