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Title: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 14, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
Well ever since the first technology shots of Prometheus were released to the public I instantly recognised the style, but not in the way I had hoped. Instead of looking like the "Alien" universe, Prometheus (movie) is now looking an awful lot like the "Mass Effect" Universe (and yes I know they are both set within an Earth based universe reality-wise, but thematically they each have very different styles).

I just am not getting the "Alien" vibe, instead I am seeing what looks like a prequel to Mass Effect, here's what I mean:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg832%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D832%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp1.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=a4ab6a13fdd95b6bd14971416b62224615bc7b65)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg26%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D26%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp2.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=bafbbf9385c56af4f39c63adea94b7019b57e091)
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I never really cared for "Mass Effect", but that isn't the point, I am just disappointed in the fact I am not really seeing the "Alien" universe in what has been shown in Prometheus (which is quite clear supposed to be set in the "Alien" universe)...

Perhaps most of you won't/don't see the resemblance, but I thought it would be amusing to see what other people have to say on the subject, especially from people who perhaps care about the ''Alien'' franchise.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Kol on Apr 14, 2012, 12:07:48 PM
as i never understood the similarity some people see between shaw & shephard i have to say, that th vehicles & their interior are very mass effect like.
the questoion only is: on purpose?
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 14, 2012, 12:35:49 PM
I admit the colour schemes of the vehicles are similar to Mass Effect
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: escroto on Apr 14, 2012, 12:46:12 PM
I hadn't even realized about this before tbh, maybe because I don't like/play Mass Effect, but the OP still seems to be right here...

Bulls Eye man
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 01:03:57 PM
Save for the color scheme of some elements PROMETHEUS does look like an ALIEN movie to me.
Vehicules have an industrial look to them.
Same goes for the gear.
Remove the colors and you get sleeker, cleaner ALIEN like design thats all.

MASS EFFECT has a STAR WARS EP1, FLASH GORDON vibe to me.
Much more sleeker than PROMETHEUS.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 14, 2012, 01:26:20 PM
There are a lot of Alien inspired designs too, its just that they are taking a more sleek/stylized approach.

The transport looks a lot like the APC from Aliens.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-oSmA3KGjUZI%2FTWEsdozIXfI%2FAAAAAAAAFoY%2Fpl_orcNlYKI%2Fs640%2Faliens-apc.jpg&hash=335e242eea6f6630e46e672b70a665149f649218)

And the interior shots of Prometheus, while obviously updated, look very reminiscent of those of the Nostromo.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 01:42:40 PM
They are updated versions of Ron Cobb's original designs for ALIEN (wich already included flat screens, holo display and huds).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wDeWRA1J2-o%2FT21E1rXZhlI%2FAAAAAAAACns%2FQc2xPVMiE6c%2Fs1600%2F1295288474-nostromobridge.jpg&hash=40485968ac11d36228f7b43086608fce70f39c98)

Remove the shiny colors you get Ron Cobb looking designs.
It reminds me when some said that AVATAR looked like HALO...
Where do you think HALO and countless others got the inspiration from? LOL

Btw that MASS EFFECT ship is just the 2001 shuttle with added thrusters...
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on Apr 14, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
The Alien Universe has been around way longer then Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 14, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
The Alien Universe has been around way longer then Mass Effect.

Agreed but it doesnt mean that all scifi designs comes from it.
Mass effect designs are pretty good, and would work flawlessly in a movie but they remind me more of Syd Mead than Ron Cobb. Also now a lot of concept artist from video games work in movies so i don't get the whole dissing of video games design work. Either Daniel Simons or Ben procter designed the Prometheus and he does look very inconic.
I'm just not fan of the colors scheme.

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
I think it's a case of Alien, Mead and Cobb influencing video game designers, and people not quite realising it.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 14, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 14, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
The Alien Universe has been around way longer then Mass Effect.

That fact is quite obvious for anyone with half a brain, but instead of looking like tech from the "Alien" universe (which is vastly different from the style used in Mass Effect universe) it ends up looking like something from a completely different stylistic background.

Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
I think it's a case of Alien, Mead and Cobb influencing video game designers, and people not quite realising it.

I know a lot of designers and artists (myself included) have been inspired by movies such as "Alien" and "Aliens", but the style used in Mass Effect is completely different than the style used in the "Alien/Aliens" universe. It is one thing to state you have been inspired by certain designs, but it is another to actually show it. Fact is the design style of the Mass Effect universe is very different to that of Alien/Aliens, hence my point Prometheus looking like a Mass Effect prequel than an Alien prequel. If indeed the designs were so similar to each others universe, there wouldn't be such a stand out of comparison.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on Apr 14, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
I think it's a case of Alien, Mead and Cobb influencing video game designers, and people not quite realising it.

It's very common for video games to borrow Ideas from movies.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
Save for that color scheme I dont see any design similiraty between the Prometheus vehicules and those from Mass Effect. The Prometheus is Ron Cobb like and the RT01 is a futuristic version of our Stryker APC (the RT01 was probably build upon a Stryker chassis).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.primeportal.net%2Fapc%2Fimages%2Fstryker.jpg&hash=6c2d1af8a2e732105dc83cdde14da07303abdcc5)

Just a bit darker and its less sleak and flashy and works fine in the ALIEN universe (i still don't like that pointy nose tho)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg706.imageshack.us%2Fimg706%2F3328%2Fprometheusship2.jpg&hash=9d87653162e9586a52643ed658cd6b39e9734870)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 14, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
On a related note...
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Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OWLF on Apr 14, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg854%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D854%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp3.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=47eadf50d1142e66704630a7390f57a62ef951de)
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The spacesuits are definitely Mass Effect inspired.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 14, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
who's that hot guy Ridley's standing with?

Secondly....yes, there are similarities...as there are bound to be similarities with just about anything. I CERTAINLY get an ALIEN universe, while at the same time feel like everything is fresh, colorful and different enough to stand on its own.

Time and time again Scott has said he wasn't interested in creating the same grungy (lived in, truckers in space) atmosphere that he created in ALIEN. Why would he want o replicate the same design of the first film again? Prometheus is what it is.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 06:08:06 PM
It's Daniel Simon.
Concept artist.

Mass Effect are full armors.
You might as well bring up an iron man painted in blue or the Halo armors too.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 14, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 14, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
who's that hot guy Ridley's standing with?
Like the caption states; it's Daniel Simon (Prometheus vehicle designer).

And I've heard that the Prometheus itself has been designed by Ben Procter.

And on the general topic:
Yes, there are undenieable similaritys in the suit designs,
but those could also be compared to a lot of other protective gear, sci-fi designs, diving suits or fetish-fashions.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 14, 2012, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: REDDEVIL on Apr 14, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg854/scaled.php?server=854&filename=masspromcomp3.jpg&res=landing
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4JSmDfQ0Rp0/TtSEwF3v2cI/AAAAAAAAAWs/TxCxIUDCmSU/s1600/53268-225335-1.jpg
The spacesuits are definitely Mass Effect inspired.

Except for the part where they share no similarities beyond being slick space suits. They look totally different.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 14, 2012, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: REDDEVIL on Apr 14, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg854/scaled.php?server=854&filename=masspromcomp3.jpg&res=landing
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4JSmDfQ0Rp0/TtSEwF3v2cI/AAAAAAAAAWs/TxCxIUDCmSU/s1600/53268-225335-1.jpg
The spacesuits are definitely Mass Effect inspired.

Except for the part where they share no similarities beyond being slick space suits. They look totally different.

Exactly.

But but but she's a woman and he's a man so there MUST be some inspiration going on there...
;D
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Predaker on Apr 14, 2012, 10:06:47 PM
There are obvious similarities as well as differences.

Is this a coincidence? No, but it's not intentional either.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.fjcdn.com%2Flarge%2Fpictures%2F3b%2F61%2F3b61dc_1161784.jpg&hash=e7f60d9f06077057331e05f0f8d8b61108c03167)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: SiL on Apr 14, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
The Mass Effect suits and the Prometheus suits both have heightened collars and belts. That's about the only similarity.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 14, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
and are form-fitting for some reason.

inb4sweeper by the way.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ChrisPachi on Apr 14, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
WTH? The vehicles look nothing alike, and the spacesuits look similar to countless other sci-fi suits from countless other films and video games, because of exactly what Valaquen said. No offense, but to suggest that the Prometheus designs are inspired by Mass Effect is just plain daft.

If Prometheus has a spacey synthesizer theme then, well.... :P

Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 14, 2012, 06:08:06 PMYou might as well bring up an iron man painted in blue or the Halo armors too.

This as well.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 14, 2012, 11:14:04 PM
i don't think that's the problem, nowhere on earth could somebody claim Aliens ripped off Halo and not get thoroughfully insulted, but now that Mass Effect is in the public conscious, people will feel it's too similar or that it should have made a larger effort to stand out from what i believe is the most generic sci fi around.

i like how that darkened Prometheus looks by the way.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: penryn79 on Apr 14, 2012, 11:16:14 PM
Seeing as how a lot of Mass Effect looks like Syd Mead and Cobb rips it fits. Mead did the Sulaco after all. We are also seeing a side of this universe we have not seen before.

Until now it has been Industrial or Military. Prometheus is a state of the art Flagship and looks the part. The nose is for atmosphere breaking and as odd as it looks it serves a purpose I guess.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Gash on Apr 14, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 14, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
and are form-fitting for some reason.


I reckon form-fitting for functionality, they're driving vehicles and running around in these outfits. Can't see that being possible in the Moebius inspired suits.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OWLF on Apr 15, 2012, 12:09:27 AM
"Inspired".Not that they actually are the same suits.They obviously have many things in common(collar,shoulder pads,belt,body-form-fitting,color..)and it isn´t that far fetched that they may have gotten some inspiration from Mass Effect.

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: SiL on Apr 15, 2012, 12:14:38 AM
Considering literally every similarity you just listed has been featured in sci-fi for the last God-knows how many decades, singling out Mass Effect is kind of silly. It's just the loudest and most recent; it's hardly unique.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Zenzucht on Apr 15, 2012, 12:19:03 AM
Majority of nowadays sci-fi stuff is inspired by Cobb, Mead, Moebius and McQuarrie.

Last original stuff was, in my opinion, Geoff Darrow's work on The Matrix.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OWLF on Apr 15, 2012, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2012, 12:14:38 AM
Considering literally every similarity you just listed has been featured in sci-fi for the last God-knows how many decades, singling out Mass Effect is kind of silly. It's just the loudest and most recent; it's hardly unique.
I´m not trying to be "unique" here,I´m just stating the obvious.They do look very similar to the Mass Effect suits,more so than any other I have seen before in any sci-fi movie or game in recent times or past.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Deuterium on Apr 15, 2012, 12:53:55 AM
Aliennaire posted this back in January:

Quote from: aliennaire on Jan 07, 2012, 09:59:07 AM
I probably should bid excuse for reviving this thread after it's been dormant since the middle of December, but I know there once have been discussed bio/space suits, which Prometheus' crew is clad in, so when I lucked upon the next pictures, I thought they would be interesting for someone out there to take a look at.

They go in juxtaposition of two films' photos:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1123.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl546%2Faliennaire%2Fspace_suit2.jpg&hash=47f54dd3403128a7ba35cb1e41c39af9624758de)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1123.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl546%2Faliennaire%2Fspace_suit1.jpg&hash=df7c5015f8b5931a678ae554d586740d8723d466)

The first half, as you can see, is the picture off Prometheus, the next one to it is the image, taken out of Voyage to the prehistoric planet (or source Russian film Planet of storms ) of 1965 (1961) correspondingly!

You can espy here the same transparent (glass-like) helmet with the solid base around the neck and at the back of the head area, more or less tight-fitting costume, waist belt with gears attached to it, chest plates... I find it quite stunning, that idea of snug space suit like this was unveiled so far back in time and is not new itself, I assume the difficulties of its implementation (lack of due material, technology, etc.) hampered the creation of the similar spacesuits in real life, maybe we will see them soon to be actually built ;)

Looks almost like a blending of Mass Effect "skin-suit" EVA type space-suit and the styling from the 1960s Russian sci-fi film.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 15, 2012, 12:56:23 AM
There are suits that have been around for a couple years now that are basically skin-tight suits, but they wouldn't work in a no atmosphere environment. They'd work for a place like Mars though.

Here they are:
http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html (http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Deuterium on Apr 15, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 15, 2012, 12:56:23 AM
There are suits that have been around for a couple years now that are basically skin-tight suits, but they wouldn't work in a no atmosphere environment. They'd work for a place like Mars though.

Here they are:
http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html (http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html)

Great minds think alike:   ;)

Quote from: Deuterium on Nov 25, 2011, 11:08:36 AM
Just thought I might chime in on the issue regarding the "ergonomic" Prometheus spacesuits.  In fact, this isn't Science Fiction, it is Science Fact, and it is here now.   Courtesy of M.I.T., it is in protoype and proof of concept testing phase.  It is a skin-suit that is revolutionary.  Instead of traditional space-suits that are pressurized (think Michelin tire man), which results in an unwieldy, bulky suit which makes movement difficult and fatiguing...the EVA / Bio-Suit under development uses mechanical counter-pressure to protect the astronaut.

Here is a link to the MIT page that details the prototype suit:
http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html (http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/index.html)

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Predaker on Apr 15, 2012, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: REDDEVIL on Apr 15, 2012, 12:09:27 AM
"Inspired".Not that they actually are the same suits.They obviously have many things in common(collar,shoulder pads,belt,body-form-fitting,color..)and it isn´t that far fetched that they may have gotten some inspiration from Mass Effect.
There is a correlation in inspiration but not influence. Prometheus draws from similar inspirations and that is where it ends basically.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: x-M-x on Apr 15, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
The Alien franchise is OLDER than Mass Effect...


so this thread is pointless...

unless mass effect was a book written in the 60's... then meh lol
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 04:36:54 AM
Science Fiction and space suits and space ships are older then Mass Effect. NEXT. Pointless.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 15, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
The Alien franchise is OLDER than Mass Effect...


so this thread is pointless...

unless mass effect was a book written in the 60's... then meh lol

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 04:36:54 AM
Science Fiction and space suits and space ships are older then Mass Effect. NEXT. Pointless.

My goodness, I am not getting through to you at all?! I was not saying the "Alien/Aliens" universe tech looks like the Mass Effect universe's tech, they are completely different themeatically, both in design and technology!

What I am trying to get through to you is that the designs in Prometheus have more in common with the designs from Mass Effect than they do from the Alien/Aliens universe. Both Mass Effects and the Alien/Aliens designs are vastly different from each other, and no I do not see how the designs from Mass Effect look "inspired" from those of the Alien/Aliens universe. The way you are making it sound is as if all "space sci fi" design concepts look alike to you, talk about a mind numbing statement.

Mass Effect's design has a very dull, bland, boring and most of all sterile look to it. Oh sure some might call it "sleek", but to me the lack of detail to it doesn't automatically make it sleek.

Just because Prometheus is set in the Alien (or is claiming to be) universe, doesn't automatically make them look consistent to one another.

This is exactly what happened with the Star Wars prequels, the design and functionality looked/worked completely different to that of the Star Wars originals. Mhm yeap people pulled out the same old excuse of "no, it just looks more sleeker, so your opinion is wrong", and don't even get me started on the damn midichlorians BS which ruined the concept of the force completely!

Prometheus's and Mass Effect's designs not only looked similar, but they were presented in almost the exact same way (background, design, camera angle)!

I am also sick of seeing spaceships and such done in CGI when it looks a whole lot less convincing than miniature models, not to mention CGI is a whole lot more expensive (talk about your lose/lose scenario). Remember from such movies such as "2001 A Space Odyssey", "Star Wars (originals)", "Alien", "Aliens", "Alien 3" and yes even "Alien Resurrection", the visuals looked so much more unique, convincing and real looking (yes they are all inspired by something, but done right) than any expensive cartoon CGI you'll see in movies today. Just because it is "up to date" doesn't automatically make it better.

Final summation is that overall there are many factors that play into the resemblance of Prometheus's designs to that of Mass Effect's designs, from it's presentation to the expensive cartoon CGI, and yes even Ridley Scott confirmed in a rather odd way no less!
If you don't see it then so be it, I can accept that no problem, I just find it stupid when people don't seem to understand a fairly simple concept being shown forth to them. It is funny when Ridley states "grunge" is over done nowadays, when in fact it is quite the opposite, seeing nothing but bland, boring, sterile cartoon CGI than anything else.
I already had/have a difficult time with the concept of the movie being shot in the illusion of "3-D" (which is the worst thing to happen to movies since the Star Wars prequels), but at least I can opt to see it in "2-D".

Prometheus has a lot to live up to, here's to "hoping" it doesn't ruin the Alien franchise even more so than it is now (if that is even possible).
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 15, 2012, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 14, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
and are form-fitting for some reason.

inb4sweeper by the way.
Not sure what you expected my response to be, but here's something:

Horseshyiet.

Mass Effect's designs are inspired by both oldschool sci-fi (let's call that Star Trek) and modern sci-fi (let's call that Star Trek '09). Clearly, so is Prometheus, but comparing these two is hilariously... off.

First of all, you're just another person complaining that the movie's look isn't grungy enough for you, based off of previous installments, so that's nothing special; give it up. Another, the comparisons you've shown are completely petty; the main comparison drawn from the ship designs is colour scheme, the comparison between the all-terrain APCs... are the fact that they're both all-terrain APCs. The characters? They've got red hair, a collar, and belt.

Omega1, please. As a large appreciator of both franchises (which, failing on the side of Mass Effect, you clearly are not), these comparisons don't equate to anything substantial. Mass Effect has drawn inspiration from Alien and Aliens, mostly thematic for some scenarios, but the art design connection just isn't there.

So here you are grabbing at straws to support your complaint about a lack of grit. Can we just move along?

Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
This is exactly what happened with the Star Wars prequels, the design and functionality looked/worked completely different to that of the Star Wars originals. Mhm yeap people pulled out the same old excuse of "no, it just looks more sleeker, so your opinion is wrong", and don't even get me started on the damn midichlorians BS which ruined the concept of the force completely!
Wow, you're still going on about that too? Maybe my plea for you to move on was asking a bit much.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 08:51:49 AM
1. The difference with Star Wars is that what's wrong with those films aren't their design, it's their story and execution. Bad comparison.

2. Aside from the exterior of the Prometheus ship......I see Scott's Alien universe absolutely realized. Visually it's spot on.cleaner yes, but the scenes in the temple/caves, and on the derelict clas ship SCREAM alien design.

3. Prometheus looks more like A L I E N then any other alien sequel in my opinion.

4. This on you buddy.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 15, 2012, 09:04:34 AM
Exactly.

Can we, you know, lock this? It's just a pointless variation of an old and shriveled complaint.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: jeremy_ray on Apr 15, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
Let's not lock this.

Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 07:45:30 AM
My goodness, I am not getting through to you at all?! I was not saying the "Alien/Aliens" universe tech looks like the Mass Effect universe's tech, they are completely different themeatically, both in design and technology!

I agree with you.  The use of color and texture on the Prometheus vehicles does resemble Mass Effect.  Not just Mass Effect, because ME is far from original, but it's a good example.  It's bizarre to see Ridley decide "Well, I'm tired of grunge, so I'm going to be original by being different in the same way as everyone else not doing grunge.  I'll make my vehicles squeeky clean and colorful!"  It was a cool idea when George Lucas did it, although the implementation of the idea usually left a lot to be desired.  It's not remotely original anymore.  More like, it's time for grunge to make a comeback.     

And then the coloration and shapes of the Prometheus vehicles seem so uninformed and removed from reality.  Like a concept artist designing from concept art he'd seen a concept artist copy from another concept artist.  Is that the Countach side window on the RT-01?  How is it useful to the driver to have that little roll-down window insert there?  And isn't it a little silly for it to have lambo doors?  Why is only the nose of the Prometheus aerodynamic?  What is up with the silver/black/orange color scheme?  With it being the flagship vessel of the Weyland corporation, I'd expect it to be decorated more like a commercial jet.  With a prominent display of the Weyland logo.  Look at what's on the side of the Falcon 9 rocket - a big "Space X" logo.  The paint scheme they're giving us looks more Ralph McQuarrie than reality.

The thing about the Alien/Aliens vehicles is that they looked like things people would actually build.  The Prometheus vehicles look like a 2nd tier concept artist mashed shapes together and gribbled them, with neither a good eye for reality or design.  It's a shame because the Aliens universe has had some of the best vehicle designs in film (Narcissus/Sulaco/Drop Ship/Betty/APC/etc).  Nothing I've seen so far is half as cool. 

ThisBethesdaSea - Sorry, the design work in the Star Wars prequels largely blew.  It did have a few good pieces, but mostly it failed to live up to the originals, where nearly every detail you looked at rocked.
 
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Vepariga on Apr 15, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
You will always find similarities in science-fiction. no differance here.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 15, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42541.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42541.0)

ta-da
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ChrisPachi on Apr 15, 2012, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 07:45:30 AMMy goodness, I am not getting through to you at all?! I was not saying the "Alien/Aliens" universe tech looks like the Mass Effect universe's tech, they are completely different themeatically, both in design and technology! [...]

It's a necessity of design that the tech in Prometheus keeps up with contemporary expectations. This isn't a 'retro' film.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
QuoteThis is exactly what happened with the Star Wars prequels, the design and functionality looked/worked completely different to that of the Star Wars originals. Mhm yeap people pulled out the same old excuse of "no, it just looks more sleeker, so your opinion is wrong", and don't even get me started on the damn midichlorians BS which ruined the concept of the force completely!

Your opinion IS wrong.  Saved me the trouble.  There's a very obvious through line with design from prequels to originals which suits both time periods.  The fact you don't like has no bearing on it.

Midichlorians have nothing to with design.

QuoteI am also sick of seeing spaceships and such done in CGI when it looks a whole lot less convincing than miniature models

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fp1.la-img.com%2F930%2F18669%2F6321572_2_l.jpg&hash=3a4b5185dd3c3a5aec461cdbf122fbd5309bac9a)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fanotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F07%2Fsunshine-icarus-ii.jpg&hash=77367c9b2f3e7c1cdb7ba7540bbd979f50652d39)
:laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: stroggificated on Apr 15, 2012, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 14, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
Well ever since the first technology shots of Prometheus were released to the public I instantly recognised the style, but not in the way I had hoped. Instead of looking like the "Alien" universe, Prometheus (movie) is now looking an awful lot like the "Mass Effect" Universe (and yes I know they are both set within an Earth based universe reality-wise, but thematically they each have very different styles).

I just am not getting the "Alien" vibe, instead I am seeing what looks like a prequel to Mass Effect, here's what I mean:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg832%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D832%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp1.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=a4ab6a13fdd95b6bd14971416b62224615bc7b65)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg26%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D26%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp2.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=bafbbf9385c56af4f39c63adea94b7019b57e091)
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg854/scaled.php?server=854&filename=masspromcomp3.jpg&res=landing

I never really cared for "Mass Effect", but that isn't the point, I am just disappointed in the fact I am not really seeing the "Alien" universe in what has been shown in Prometheus (which is quite clear supposed to be set in the "Alien" universe)...

Perhaps most of you won't/don't see the resemblance, but I thought it would be amusing to see what other people have to say on the subject, especially from people who perhaps care about the ''Alien'' franchise.

I fully agree with you. I thought about Mass Effect instantly, when i saw this style. And i hate Riddles for jumping on the hipster bandwagon.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 12:23:31 PM
The bigger question might be..even if it does resemble some designs from ME...so the fu€k what,why is that bad?. :) Ultimately, that's not the case. Evidence of the origins of the design for Prometheus (largley unused Ron Cobb designs) have been given as well as a comparison to a space film from the 60s and still you don't relent.

I'll assert this for the last time, because to me this is absolutely apparent...Prometheus looks and feels more like A L I E N then any sequel film I've seen despite some of the more modern design elements. If the story works well, and Ridley knocks this out of the park, NONE of this will matter.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Kol on Apr 15, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
the more i read/inform about this movie it becomes less A L I E N. and i like it.
i want a philosophical masterpiece (with generic ship design, lol) about ancient astronauts & our origin and no creature feature, like alien was. sure the trailer feels a lot like alien cos it simulates a lot of what stands for alien, but i think that's not the goal of the movie, to be an alien hybrid.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
well said Kol
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 15, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
It just makes me happy to see people letting go of Alien as their basis of what this movie should be-- or will be.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
Often times with fanboys (I'm a fanboy by the way), when they get their wishes granted in terms of their favorite director returning to a genre they secretly want everything to be the same. In essence, they want the same film made again. I wrote this a few months back, and again.....Prometheus will be successful if we can let it. It's NOT ALIEN, and clearly, Ridley Scott doesn't want it to be. Let it go. It's not gonna change.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
Often times with fanboys (I'm a fanboy by the way), when they get their wishes granted in terms of their favorite director returning to a genre they secretly want everything to be the same. In essence, they want the same film made again. I wrote this a few months back, and again.....Prometheus will be successful if we can let it. It's NOT ALIEN, and clearly, Ridley Scott doesn't want it to be. Let it go. It's not gonna change.

I am passionate about the Alien universe, and I don't expect to see the same movie as the previous one (Alien was quite different to Aliens, and I loved them both). What I expect to see though is some recognition to the universe that the movie is based in (even Alien 3 and Resurrection delivered on this). With Prometheus it has been made clear that it is set in the Alien universe, yet I and many others are not seeing the "Alien" universe, only what seems to be something of a strange imitation overshadowed by something that wants to be its own thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on Apr 15, 2012, 03:46:07 PM
Take a look at many video games, for example Metroid has lots of similarities to Alien. Resident Evil would copy Idea's from Alien, Night of the Living Dead, The Thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ChrisPachi on Apr 15, 2012, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Kol on Apr 15, 2012, 12:30:28 PMi want a philosophical masterpiece (with generic ship design, lol) about ancient astronauts & our origin and no creature feature, like alien was.

Sorry Kol, but 'philosophical masterpiece' and 'ancient astronauts' is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. It's the dry heat. ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 15, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 15, 2012, 03:46:07 PM
Take a look at many video games, for example Metroid has lots of similarities to Alien. Resident Evil would copy Idea's from Alien, Night of the Living Dead, The Thing.

Yeap, you are right, but you are still missing the point.

This is the last time I am going to state this, so I am going to dumb this down as best I can.

In Appearance:
Alien Universe = Alien Universe
Mass Effect Universe = Mass Effect Universe
Prometheus = Mass Effect Universe

In detail:
Mass Effect no looky looky like Alien.
Metroid looky looky like Alien, so yes to the inspiration excuse, but Prometheus no looky looky like Alien. *Sound Alarm*
Prometheus looky looky like Mass Effect. *Sound Alarm*
Prometheus an Alien prequel (whether you like it or not people). *Sound Alarm*

At this point you either get it or you don't. :-X
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 15, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
I still think that the interior of Prometheus looks very similar (though a bit cleaner) to the Nostromo. And the Transport looks very similar to the Colonial Marines' APC.

The stuff is a lot more sleek, that's for sure, but I'm willing to accept that. This is, after all, a modern day film taking a different approach. Plus, its simple to say that Prometheus, being a science ship, is better equipped than the Nostromo, a run-down mining ship. The differences in style aren't jarring enough to take me out of the film in any way.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Deuterium on Apr 15, 2012, 04:46:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
QuoteI am also sick of seeing spaceships and such done in CGI when it looks a whole lot less convincing than miniature models

http://p1.la-img.com/930/18669/6321572_2_l.jpg
http://anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/sunshine-icarus-ii.jpg
:laugh:

SM, I recognize the 2nd (bottom) pic from "Sunshine"...but what the heck is the top pic from?  It is just a series of blurs.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Capovin on Apr 15, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
Not mass effect at all, something else maybe, but how are those two space ships even remotely similar? And the space suits, the mass effect one is like some sort of metal armor, the Prometheus one just looks like a sleek space suit. The only similar thing is the transport, which honestly the prometheus one looks more like the aliens one than the mass effect one. If you honestly get a "Mass Effect" vibe from the trailers I dont know what to say, but I highly doubt you do. It feels like it's own thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on Apr 15, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
Prometheus has ships and vehicles similar to Aliens.


Drop Ship.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_ytxnGmJI34g%2FTQUS52OD3TI%2FAAAAAAAAAUY%2Fv_dmyih5c8k%2Fs1600%2FAliens_Drop_Ship-die-cast-l.jpg&hash=15f8f901fef77f7a940983028eeec4e0a916f3af)

Armored Personal Carrier.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.automopedia.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F08%2Faliens-apc.jpg&hash=90acf6ffa033c82370c97ad68ed284f038554a15)


Those look just like the ships we seen in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 15, 2012, 06:07:00 PM
you know what? i dont think it would look anywhere near as much like mass effect does(because it does) if it had that kind of paintjob. in other words, plain or none at all.

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 15, 2012, 07:31:40 PM
Has anyone seen AppleSeed, the Japanimation? It's awesome, and some of the tech bear striking resemblance to the drop ship in ALIENS, and the Sulaco. Why is no one complaining about that.

I should know better then to get involved in these arguments of futility. Some people won't be happy no matter if you give them exactly what they want.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Xenomorphine on Apr 15, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 15, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
The Alien franchise is OLDER than Mass Effect...

But the design philosophy of 'Mass Effect' has matured over a greater period of time than the production of 'Prometheus', specifically. Similarities are relevant for discussion.

I don't know for a fact whether or not a lot of the new hardware was influenced by those games, but it was certainly among my first impressions upon seeing a lot of it - and the first impression of several designers I know, too. Either it's deliberate or coincidental, but it is there. At the very least you could say that the stuff we've seen so far could easily be put in one of the games and would completely fit in (whereas the reverse isn't true; you couldn't put the Normandy in 'Aliens' and expect it to look like it's a logical progression of the same technological style behind the Sulaco, dropship and APC).

When the book of the film's art gets released, we'll hopefully have some quotes which can verify or disprove whether the 'Mass Effect' designs had been one of the inspirations.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: SM on Apr 16, 2012, 02:03:41 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on Apr 15, 2012, 04:46:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
QuoteI am also sick of seeing spaceships and such done in CGI when it looks a whole lot less convincing than miniature models

http://p1.la-img.com/930/18669/6321572_2_l.jpg
http://anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/sunshine-icarus-ii.jpg
:laugh:

SM, I recognize the 2nd (bottom) pic from "Sunshine"...but what the heck is the top pic from?  It is just a series of blurs.

Star Crash

Because CGI is "a whole lot less convincing than miniature models".
;)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 02:28:19 AM
This topic is so over.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: First Blood on Apr 16, 2012, 03:06:17 AM
I doubt Ridley Scott plays Mass Effect. Besides I thought the suits were inspired by Planet of the Vampires.

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 16, 2012, 07:33:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 15, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 15, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
The Alien franchise is OLDER than Mass Effect...

But the design philosophy of 'Mass Effect' has matured over a greater period of time than the production of 'Prometheus', specifically. Similarities are relevant for discussion.

I don't know for a fact whether or not a lot of the new hardware was influenced by those games, but it was certainly among my first impressions upon seeing a lot of it - and the first impression of several designers I know, too. Either it's deliberate or coincidental, but it is there. At the very least you could say that the stuff we've seen so far could easily be put in one of the games and would completely fit in (whereas the reverse isn't true; you couldn't put the Normandy in 'Aliens' and expect it to look like it's a logical progression of the same technological style behind the Sulaco, dropship and APC).

When the book of the film's art gets released, we'll hopefully have some quotes which can verify or disprove whether the 'Mass Effect' designs had been one of the inspirations.

Another statement I really appreciated, well put Xenomorphine!

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 02:28:19 AM
This topic is so over.

No it isn't (funny how you stated the same multiple pages ago, also demanding the topic be locked), you just can't handle points of view that are different from your own!
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
Demanding....lol...no I wasn't. The connection between ME and Prometheus has been made but not proven. How far can this go? I love many opinions....:) :)  :-*
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Kol on Apr 16, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
Demanding....lol...no I wasn't. The connection between ME and Prometheus has been made but not proven. How far can this go? I love many opinions....:) :)  :-*

as long as we stay on-topic it will last forever.

http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=ee7ed66ee7f0.jpg (http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=ee7ed66ee7f0.jpg)

can anybody mark out any other similarities?
never played mass effect, though.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 11:48:45 AM
I think I just found some evidence that the Prometheus is in fact a photographed model.
In that image on the lower left engine is some chromatic abberation visible.
I know this can be simulated but I found this quite often in newer fx movies on models (especially in the StarWars prequels).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.verizonsweeps2.com%2FAssets%2Fimages%2Fexclusive%2Fprometheus_ship_full.jpg&hash=02951aeef0636f0e5cbf4d13b93c5283b8b9030a)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 16, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 11:48:45 AM
I think I just found some evidence that the Prometheus is in fact a photographed model.
In that image on the lower left engine is some chromatic abberation visible.
I know this can be simulated but I found this quite often in newer fx movies on models (especially in the StarWars prequels).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.verizonsweeps2.com%2FAssets%2Fimages%2Fexclusive%2Fprometheus_ship_full.jpg&hash=02951aeef0636f0e5cbf4d13b93c5283b8b9030a)

It's not a practical model.  :)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:10:30 PM
It may not be a practical model, but it's flawless. I've never seen such perfect detail.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 16, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 11:48:45 AM
I think I just found some evidence that the Prometheus is in fact a photographed model.
In that image on the lower left engine is some chromatic abberation visible.
I know this can be simulated but I found this quite often in newer fx movies on models (especially in the StarWars prequels).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.verizonsweeps2.com%2FAssets%2Fimages%2Fexclusive%2Fprometheus_ship_full.jpg&hash=02951aeef0636f0e5cbf4d13b93c5283b8b9030a)

It's not a practical model.  :)
Wow, that's some conclusive argument.  :P
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Do we know fer sure it's not practical?
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: EGM1966 on Apr 16, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
Looks to me like no more than the coincidence of designers pursuing some similar themes.  Both sets of designs clearly draw on stuff from before.  Both are going for a sleeker look than Alien - although in terms of detail it's obvious the Prometheus designs have a lot more of the Alien style detail.

I don't see much similiarity in the ground vehicles TBH.  They look like stuff that's been echoed for years going back to stuff like Thunderbirds and the like.

The ships also look very different - the ship from Mass Effect is actually pretty poor I'd say, and is based on something that would need an atmosphere by the look of it, whereas the Prometheus ship is clearly a spaceship.  What makes them look similar is the colour scheme which is very similar but probably a coincidence.  Black and yellow is a very common colour scheme for marking vehicles and appears all over the place.

I really, really doubt Ridley Scott would be echoing a game (not to knock the game) so I reckon we're just seeing a certain similarity of form and colour scheme.

When you look close though the designs are really very different, especially the spaceship.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 14, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
Well ever since the first technology shots of Prometheus were released to the public I instantly recognised the style, but not in the way I had hoped. Instead of looking like the "Alien" universe, Prometheus (movie) is now looking an awful lot like the "Mass Effect" Universe (and yes I know they are both set within an Earth based universe reality-wise, but thematically they each have very different styles).

I just am not getting the "Alien" vibe, instead I am seeing what looks like a prequel to Mass Effect, here's what I mean:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg832%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D832%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp1.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=a4ab6a13fdd95b6bd14971416b62224615bc7b65)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg26%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D26%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp2.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=bafbbf9385c56af4f39c63adea94b7019b57e091)
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg854/scaled.php?server=854&filename=masspromcomp3.jpg&res=landing



I just thought I'd quote this again...looking at the comparison picture specifically of the ME ship and the Prometheus. Aside from similar noses and paint.....those ships have NOTHING in common whatsoever.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Omega1 on Apr 16, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
I just thought I'd quote this again...looking at the comparison picture specifically of the ME ship and the Prometheus. Aside from similar noses and paint.....those ships have NOTHING in common whatsoever.

Except that they both have a long sleek hull, two engines at each side of the main hull, pointy nose, and to top it off two slit vents at the top rear end of the hull...  :o
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Ghostface on Apr 16, 2012, 01:41:28 PM
I think you can link Mass Effect to just about every sci fi classic out there. The series is riddled with homages and obvious influences.

Prometheus is to Mass Effect what Aliens is to Dead Space.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 01:44:33 PM
In terms of function, yes, those ships have similarly located engines and hulls...design-wise....there's nothing in common, NOTHING.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Space Sweeper on Apr 16, 2012, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Rothschild on Apr 16, 2012, 01:41:28 PM
I think you can link Mass Effect to just about every sci fi classic out there. The series is riddled with homages and obvious influences.

Prometheus Star Trek is to Mass Effect what Aliens is to Dead Space.
Technically.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: penryn79 on Apr 16, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
I am sure Scott has little to know knowledge of what Mass Effect is. It's his designers who would be the ones who have been fans of the game and shown him artwork that has that flavour.

Just as Cobb was inspired and influenced Star Wars at the time for the Nostromo, the contemporary artist are going to be inspired by what they are into.

All the comparisons aside, it could look like ET for all I care as long as it blow my mind.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OWLF on Apr 16, 2012, 08:19:03 PM
I still wonder why neither Ron Cobb or Syd Mead weren´t called back for the designs in Prometheus.
They were the ones that designed the spaceships in the Alien universe,wouldn´t be the most logical thing to call them back for Prometheus??Considering it´s a "prequel" to ALIEN??

Well at least we have HR Giger back on board even if it´s just for the murals.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Capovin on Apr 16, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
really stretching it with the ship comparison omega, they look absolutely nothing alike
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 16, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
color pattern and balance of the ship's mass. that's it.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Crazy Rich on Apr 16, 2012, 11:01:26 PM
Yea, just found this topic. There are very little and petty similarities between Prometheus and Mass Effect, and I've only seen screenshots and trailers as well as played the demo for Mass Effect 2 and 3.

Alien Universe, end of story.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Finally......the light :)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 17, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Wow, that's some conclusive argument.  :P

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Do we know fer sure it's not practical?

My argument is this...

...It's pretty damned unlikely. That's how I know. Not to mention there are things about it that scream CGI. It's damn good CGI though. There are shots, like the atmospheric entry, that have a lot of little quirks on the model that tell me without a doubt that it's computer generated.

The way it's shot is also very much a give away. If it were a model, even a big one, it would come out looking very different.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 17, 2012, 02:43:10 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 17, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 16, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Wow, that's some conclusive argument.  :P

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Do we know fer sure it's not practical?

My argument is this...

...It's pretty damned unlikely. That's how I know. Not to mention there are things about it that scream CGI. It's damn good CGI though. There are shots, like the atmospheric entry, that have a lot of little quirks on the model that tell me without a doubt that it's computer generated.

The way it's shot is also very much a give away. If it were a model, even a big one, it would come out looking very different.
I agree, but all this doesn't explain the chromatic aberration in the image.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 17, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
3D cameras.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: LarsVader on Apr 17, 2012, 05:53:56 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 17, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
3D cameras.
Exactly!
Cameras, not digital rendering, CAMERAS!.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 17, 2012, 06:03:54 AM
Quote from: LarsVader on Apr 17, 2012, 02:43:10 AM
I agree, but all this doesn't explain the chromatic aberration in the image.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration)

Compositing multiple elements would be my guess.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Spaghetti on Apr 17, 2012, 07:27:54 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg26%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D26%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dmasspromcomp2.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=bafbbf9385c56af4f39c63adea94b7019b57e091)

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Meh.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: EGM1966 on Apr 17, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: Omega1 on Apr 16, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 16, 2012, 12:23:03 PM
I just thought I'd quote this again...looking at the comparison picture specifically of the ME ship and the Prometheus. Aside from similar noses and paint.....those ships have NOTHING in common whatsoever.

Except that they both have a long sleek hull, two engines at each side of the main hull, pointy nose, and to top it off two slit vents at the top rear end of the hull...  :o
They're really quite different.  In fact the Mass Effect ship is quite a poor design.  It's the classic bad design of being a plane in space.  The engines are fxed by a wing to the hull and the hull is really a very different shape - sleek and smooth vs the much more Nostromo like hull of Prometheus which is bristling with projections.  The Prometheus has four totally different looking engines which can clearly pivot around to different directions (such as for landing in the trailers).

Seriously - if you look at the detail the two ships have nothing in common appart from being silver/grey with some yellow/black trim and numerically the same number of engines although clearly the design of the engines is totally different.

As I noted earlier in this post if you look beyond gross form the designs are quite different.  The Prometheus designs are (as is often the case) much more functional.  The buggy from Mass Effect for example - how do you get in that?  It looks like it was designed to be sleek and have a gun on top with little concern for how people would actually get in and drive it vs the vehicle from Prometheus (which obviously has to allow actors to do so).
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Face Jockey on Apr 17, 2012, 10:18:43 AM
Much more like Space: 1999 Universe than Mass Effect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvo5o3Goh9E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvo5o3Goh9E#)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Deuterium on Apr 17, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: EGM1966 on Apr 17, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
They're really quite different.  In fact the Mass Effect ship is quite a poor design.  It's the classic bad design of being a plane in space.  The engines are fxed by a wing to the hull and the hull is really a very different shape - sleek and smooth vs the much more Nostromo like hull of Prometheus which is bristling with projections.  The Prometheus has four totally different looking engines which can clearly pivot around to different directions (such as for landing in the trailers).


Not necessarily.  If the Mass Effect ship is meant to be able to operate efficiently within a planet's atmosphere, then aerodynamic shaping and lift would be a design requirement.  I haven't played the Mass Effect series, so I don't know if this is true, but just making the observation.  Conversely, the Prometheus is first an interstellar ship, with the additional capability of performing a powered entry and landing on a planetary surface.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: RubberChickenMan on Apr 17, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthe-new-horizon.com%2Fuploads%2FWeyland_Yutani_Corporate_Logo.jpg&hash=41e70db09a7f3dca66a0fe11b727826322897098)

Cerberus from mass effect
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbiowarestore.com%2Fcore%2Fmedia%2Fmedia.nl%2Fid.345%2Fc.862287%2F.f%3Fh%3D86f3aa5360d7acc5a14e&hash=aa90260c886c1c0d45931131cc095b53a753339e)
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on Apr 17, 2012, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: RubberChickenMan on Apr 17, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
http://the-new-horizon.com/uploads/Weyland_Yutani_Corporate_Logo.jpg

Cerberus from mass effect
http://biowarestore.com/core/media/media.nl/id.345/c.862287/.f?h=86f3aa5360d7acc5a14e

Looks like Mass Effect ripped off the Weyland-Yutani Corporation.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: josh_axey on Apr 17, 2012, 10:29:38 PM
Wait... this thread is still going?

I'm not Commander Shepard and this is not my favourite thread on the forum.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2012, 10:54:19 PM
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You rang?
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: EGM1966 on Apr 18, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on Apr 17, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: EGM1966 on Apr 17, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
They're really quite different.  In fact the Mass Effect ship is quite a poor design.  It's the classic bad design of being a plane in space.  The engines are fxed by a wing to the hull and the hull is really a very different shape - sleek and smooth vs the much more Nostromo like hull of Prometheus which is bristling with projections.  The Prometheus has four totally different looking engines which can clearly pivot around to different directions (such as for landing in the trailers).


Not necessarily.  If the Mass Effect ship is meant to be able to operate efficiently within a planet's atmosphere, then aerodynamic shaping and lift would be a design requirement.  I haven't played the Mass Effect series, so I don't know if this is true, but just making the observation.  Conversely, the Prometheus is first an interstellar ship, with the additional capability of performing a powered entry and landing on a planetary surface.

What I mean is the ship design in Mass Effect is all about operating in an atmosphere.  Checking it out on YouTube it does fly in atmosphere but it also 'flies' in space - i.e. with four fixed engines it mysteriously banks as though still flying through an atmosphere rather than remotely operating like a spaceship.

The Mass Effect designs are clearly all about the look with little practicality at all.  I mean I like 'em - but there is no way the Prometheus ship is really (as put forward in the OT) actually much like the Mass Effect ship at all and neither are the vehicles really - beyond gross shape.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: OWLF on May 15, 2012, 01:05:21 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5MwVy.jpg&hash=6b4a1687d07bbe79efcc66c5b3ed80931dfff3a5)

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  ...Sorry,I couldn´t resist
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on May 15, 2012, 05:48:50 PM
I think it's non sense comparing Alien with Mass Effect.

Thats like comparing Star Wars with the 1982 movie The Thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Predaker on May 15, 2012, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: REDDEVIL on May 15, 2012, 01:05:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5MwVy.jpg

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  ...Sorry,I couldn´t resist
I would play that.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on May 17, 2012, 02:22:26 AM
I never understood why people would compare Alien with Mass Effect?.

The series are nothing alike.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: x-M-x on May 17, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 17, 2012, 02:22:26 AM
I never understood why people would compare Alien with Mass Effect?.

The series are nothing alike.

Plus the 'ALIEN' franchise is older... FAR OLDER so how the hell can they compare? 0.o


kids...

in fact it's mass effect who ripped/stole idea's/themes etc from the alien franchise ? lol...
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: mastermoon on May 17, 2012, 02:29:37 AM
You know what they say, video games always rip-off the Ideas of movies.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Gash on May 17, 2012, 03:23:25 AM
Er... what's Mass Effect?

I'm seeing maybe the Shado Mobiles from UFO a bit in the vehicles. I think the design influences are more a progression of Cobb, Mead and and a big dose of Derek Meddings. The roots go way back.

Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on May 17, 2012, 04:12:21 AM
some videogame about romance.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 17, 2012, 08:10:10 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on May 17, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
Plus the 'ALIEN' franchise is older... FAR OLDER so how the hell can they compare? 0.o


kids...

in fact it's mass effect who ripped/stole idea's/themes etc from the alien franchise ? lol...

Because nobody's disputing the two series, as a whole. This is specifically about the vehicle and suit designs of 'Prometheus'. Not the first four films.

And the work for that has been going since shortly after 'Mass Effect 2' being released - and heavily lauded in most media as the next raising of the bar in science-fiction.

It's very conceivable, yes, that the people hired for designing the suits and vehicles for 'Prometheus' at least took a passing look at stuff which was very famously plastered all over magazine covers and more, about the first two 'Mass Effect' games, for inspiration.

In essence, this is no different to the reverse. It's just easier to see.

As I've said before, the Prometheus does have some design features which were directly stolen from other stuff in the series (the engines, for example, are four miniaturised direct copies of the rear section of the Sulaco, as I've said before), but it's very obvious, especially for the costumes, that there was some 'Mass Effect' visual influence which bled in.

I'm going to just link my original post here, because it says virtually everything needed. :)

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42974.msg1334227#msg1334227 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42974.msg1334227#msg1334227)

In essence, you couldn't put the Normandy in 'Aliens', because it wouldn't look like a logical technological progression alongside the Sulaco, dropship and more. But you could dump just about any of the hardware from 'Prometheus' into one of the ME games and it would fit perfectly.

Doesn't mean it's a direct rip or anything. Just that the basic influence is clear, beyond just paint schemes (although, in fairness, that's an obvious clue, too).
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Le Celticant on May 17, 2012, 12:03:00 PM
Every story are ripped from The Odyssey (Homere).
Both Alien & Mass effects concepts are ripped from H.P. Lovecraft and its Cthulhu Mythos.

Everything has already been done in ages, the difference is the vision you add to something already achieved, making it original.
Title: Re: Prometheus: Alien Universe or Mass Effect Universe
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 17, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 17, 2012, 12:03:00 PM
Every story are ripped from The Odyssey (Homere).
Both Alien & Mass effects concepts are ripped from H.P. Lovecraft and its Cthulhu Mythos.

Everything has already been done in ages, the difference is the vision you add to something already achieved, making it original.

This isn't about concepts or story elements, it's about comparing specific visual design aesthetics. :)