I know i'll probably get flamed by this, but i'm i the only one that likes AVPR ?
I know the movie was kinda flawed, it was way too dark(literally) and the choice to make it a slasher was lame,(which i don't blame since that HAD to continue Paul Anderson's shitty first movie) but i really enjoyed it, much more than the first AVP
Even though i didn't really give a crap about the main characters, I really liked Wolf and his badass arsenal, his mask and his F'd up face. i also appreciated that they didn't make some stupid team up like in the first movie.... bunch of humans running from aliens and caught in the cross fires of the predator was exactly what the "franchise" was suppose to be and they did it.
oh,and how long has it been since we've seen a guy skinned by a predator ? this is the only movie since the original which did it.
Why would someone want to flame you? Although, they might flame the movie. :D But you're entitled to like it. There's a few other people here that like it too, I think.
Oh, and there was Predator skinning action in Predator 2. So not since the second movie.
There's a few people who like it.
They're not terribly convincing though.
Quote from: SM on Jan 02, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
There's a few people who like it.
those must suffer some weird self - abuse syndrome
:edit
;D ;D
Or have their opinions.
I don't like the movie myself, but please, if there's people who like it, let them be. There's no need to try and find something wrong with them.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 02, 2012, 10:59:41 PM
Or have their opinions.
I don't like the movie myself, but please, if there's people who like it, let them be. There's no need to try and find something wrong with them.
it's not an insult, but...i don't know...what is good about that movie?
Saying that people who like the film suffer self-abuse syndrome is not an insult?
Please now. It's one of the worst theatrically-released sci-fi films, but I don't see why people that like it should have problems or syndromes of any kind.
If you were joking, a :P or ;D in there would've helped a lot.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 02, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
Saying that people who like the film suffer self-abuse syndrome is not an insult?
Please now. It's one of the worst theatrically-released sci-fi films, but I don't see why people that like it should have problems or syndromes of any kind.
If you were joking, a :P or ;D in there would've helped a lot.
fixed :)
I like it.
I recognize that it's a poorly written and produced film, but I enjoy watching it from time to time.
I'm too lazy to argue with anybody. That's why, "we all have opinions," was invented.
F'ing LOVE AVP:R!!! ROAR!!!
Pretty sure i just love all things A/P/AVP because i enjoy the franchise and the beasts. Even id its a comic, game, or film what was "bad" i still enjoyed it.
The people to me where just victims for a couple of my favorite alien killers.
There is parts to it I like and others make you hate it. That's how I've always seen it.
Good: The music
Bad: the Actors
Good: new predator weapons
Bad: Its really dark
I could go on for ages ;D
Most of those who like it seem to base their argument on Wolf looking cool. Which I can't understand. Fair enough. I have almost scoured this movie's existence from my brain. It took a potentially C-grade series [Alien] and actually presented it as a C-grade film, rather than the A-grade treatment that the first few films gave the series.
Quote from: Terx2 on Jan 03, 2012, 04:41:52 AM
There is parts to it I like and others make you hate it. That's how I've always seen it.
Good: The music
Bad: the Actors
Good: new predator weapons
Bad: Its really dark
I could go on for ages ;D
Bad actors, agree...Ian Whyte is the only good actor here. it's bad that we haven't seen more of predator homeworld.
I like AVP-R. Introduces alot of new material into the franchise/ franchises.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 03, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
I like AVP-R. Introduces alot of new material into the franchise/ franchises.
Like unanimously terrible reviews? :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 03, 2012, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 03, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
I like AVP-R. Introduces alot of new material into the franchise/ franchises.
Like unanimously terrible reviews? :P
Good one. ;)
I meant new creatures (Chet) Pred weapons, Pred world, etc...
I don't think any of them were new. They were all in the games/comics/toys. I think the only real new addition was Wolf's whip. I've only seen this film twice, I can't recall.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 03, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
I don't think any of them were new. They were all in the games/comics/toys. I think the only real new addition was Wolf's whip. I've only seen this film twice, I can't recall.
Heheh, I knew you were gonna say that. I meant to say to the
movie franchise.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 03, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 03, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
I don't think any of them were new. They were all in the games/comics/toys. I think the only real new addition was Wolf's whip. I've only seen this film twice, I can't recall.
Heheh, I knew you were gonna say that. I meant to say to the movie franchise.
Oh, of course ;) Whether or not those additions are a
good thing for the movies is another debate :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 03, 2012, 03:23:18 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 03, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 03, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
I don't think any of them were new. They were all in the games/comics/toys. I think the only real new addition was Wolf's whip. I've only seen this film twice, I can't recall.
Heheh, I knew you were gonna say that. I meant to say to the movie franchise.
Oh, of course ;) Whether or not those additions are a good thing for the movies is another debate :P
Probably won't find me there. 8)
I would've liked AvP:R had it not:
*have exploding pregnant women
*shown a kid getting killed the worst way possible by the xenos
*turning aliens and predators into a teen slasher
*teen drama (or college age, all the same to me)
*weak ass xenos
*Chet with her(he?) egg-barfing
*Wolf wasting his time skinning the police officer in the beginning of the film
*gore for the sake of gore
The movie overall pissed me off. I'll take a human/predator team up any day over that shitlist up there. I also really like Wolf, and as a predator character, he has mounds of potential. IMHO, Wolf is the best thing about the movie. Other than that, the movie is an abomination and doesn't deserve to be cannonized.
It was the Strause Brothers, most of Avp:r was an alright idea but they f**ked it up with their hate for pregnant women, how little money went towards lighting and lack of knowledge in the movie making biz.
I liked Chet, I don't care what people say about it. I was just happy with the fact that at the beginning it was like an Alien movie with the Predators facing something they had little knowledge of instead of us. It played it's part has a beast designed to kill them very well.
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Jan 03, 2012, 04:02:22 AM
Pretty sure i just love all things A/P/AVP because i enjoy the franchise and the beasts. Even id its a comic, game, or film what was "bad" i still enjoyed it.
The people to me where just victims for a couple of my favorite alien killers.
I liked it as well. I pretty much agree with what ^^^ said. I mean, it did have Aliens and Predators killing things.
Quote from: Lie on Jan 04, 2012, 03:59:27 AM
It was the Strause Brothers, most of Avp:r was an alright idea but they f**ked it up with their hate for pregnant women,.
Gosh, that was the worst thing in the movie I.M.O. I mean, seriously, what the f**k SB?
Personally I think the Strause Brothers saved the film from Shane Salerno, the original script was total garbage. In the end though, I really liked AVPR, for a popcorn action/horror flick, it was pretty good. Everyone hated the setting, but I found it quite interesting. It reminded me of the old, cheesy "Aliens invade small town USA" movies like "The Blob."
Course I'd still like to see a proper AVP that takes place in the future with colonial marines, I think that's what everyone here wants at this point, or at least those who haven't lost complete faith in AVP as a film franchise.
i liked AVP:R i mean, it was a sucky and horrible movie, but i liked it :)
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 04, 2012, 06:54:28 AM
Personally I think the Strause Brothers saved the film from Shane Salerno, the original script was total garbage.
what was it about? do you have acopy of it?
QuoteCourse I'd still like to see a proper AVP that takes place in the future with colonial marines, I think that's what everyone here wants at this point, or at least those who haven't lost complete faith in AVP as a film franchise.
this :)
I love Chet.
there i said it
Ah f**k it, I'm a total fanboy of aliens. To me avp-r is kind of like bad pizza, even if it sucked it's still kind of good. Now we need a full on assault of the predator home world by colonial marines which unfortunately turns into a rescue mission upon arrival after the xeno's take over the predators world. After that we have good wookie err predator-human relations and they can start being the good guys like that wharf guy from TNG. Every ship has a predator instead of some kookie android... err lifeless Vulcan.
;D
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 10, 2012, 04:58:10 AM
Ah f**k it, I'm a total fanboy of aliens. To me avp-r is kind of like bad pizza, even if it sucked it's still kind of good. Now we need a full on assault of the predator home world by colonial marines which unfortunately turns into a rescue mission upon arrival after the xeno's take over the predators world. After that we have good wookie err predator-human relations and they can start being the good guys like that wharf guy from TNG. Every ship has a predator instead of some kookie android... err lifeless Vulcan.
;D
Avp:r is really bad pizza....something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWwM26OxiM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWwM26OxiM#ws)
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 10, 2012, 06:38:11 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 10, 2012, 04:58:10 AM
Ah f**k it, I'm a total fanboy of aliens. To me avp-r is kind of like bad pizza, even if it sucked it's still kind of good. Now we need a full on assault of the predator home world by colonial marines which unfortunately turns into a rescue mission upon arrival after the xeno's take over the predators world. After that we have good wookie err predator-human relations and they can start being the good guys like that wharf guy from TNG. Every ship has a predator instead of some kookie android... err lifeless Vulcan.
;D
Avp:r is really bad pizza....something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWwM26OxiM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWwM26OxiM#ws)
Quote from: Videoit's not as bad as I imagined
Yea something like that. ;D
AVP: Rectum is not the pizza, it's the acid reflux that comes later.
I used to like it, back when I first started.
Then I grew up, started studying cinema, watched the originals more often, etc.
Then I hated it.
Like, a lot.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 10, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
AVP: Rectum is not the pizza, it's the acid reflux that comes later.
It`s not even that. It`s just a turd, hot steamy and smelly. It`s brown but chocolate it is not.
Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 09:47:38 PMIt`s not even that. It`s just a turd, hot steamy and smelly. It`s brown but chocolate it is not.
But turds can be beneficial as they can be used as fertilizer. Acid reflux serves no one and no thing.
AVPR is my 3rd fav film in the series after Aliens and Predators respectively.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 11, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
AVPR is my 3rd fav film in the series after Aliens and Predators respectively.
:D YEAH
I watch it fairly often as well
Of course, I'm pretty sure that most everybody knows that I like the film anyway that I didn't need to say it, but it's still nice just to stand by your opinion of things. :)
couldn't tell from you icon and signature! Predaliens rule!
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 11, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
AVPR is my 3rd fav film in the series after Aliens and Predators respectively.
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Quote from: predxeno on Jan 11, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
AVPR is my 3rd fav film in the series after Aliens and Predators respectively.
What makes you like the film so much? Just a question, not an attack on your opinion. Just curious is all.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:21:23 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 11, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
AVPR is my 3rd fav film in the series after Aliens and Predators respectively.
What makes you like the film so much? Just a question, not an attack on your opinion. Just curious is all.
I want to know it also...just curious too...
I guess you could say I just liked the style. And I had lots of anticipation for this movie when it first came out.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 12, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
I guess you could say I just liked the style. And I had lots of anticipation for this movie when it first came out.
Which was your favorite set piece?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:51:36 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 12, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
I guess you could say I just liked the style. And I had lots of anticipation for this movie when it first came out.
Which was your favorite set piece?
For me, Wolf was the only good thing on that movie...and predator homeworld. Too bad that we haven't seen more of that planet..
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Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:51:36 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 12, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
I guess you could say I just liked the style. And I had lots of anticipation for this movie when it first came out.
Which was your favorite set piece?
I think it would be the sewers.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 12, 2012, 06:13:03 PMQuote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 03:51:36 AMQuote from: predxeno on Jan 12, 2012, 03:27:19 AMI guess you could say I just liked the style. And I had lots of anticipation for this movie when it first came out.
Which was your favorite set piece?
I think it would be the sewers.
What an apt metaphor!
;D
one thing is liking the movie.
another thing is prefering it over predator and alien...
At least I don't like it over Aliens and Predators. ;)
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 19, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
At least I don't like it over Aliens and Predators. ;)
Predator 1 > Predator 2 >>>> Predators....<<< AVP 1 (My oppinion)
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
Pretty ballsy. ;D :)
Inb4 the likely massive shitstorm type 2.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 21, 2012, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
Pretty ballsy. ;D :)
I cant stand the badger sound effects they used for the Alien in Alien, that and it looks wobbly sometimes. The onlything I liked about it still is the mechanics.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:25:54 PMI cant stand the badger sound effects they used for the Alien in Alien, that and it looks wobbly sometimes.
You mean the non-existent badger sounds? There was nothing in
Alien that sounded like a badger. And since the alien wasn't based on a Weebles platform, I'm just going to say you might have been watching another movie.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:25:54 PMThe onlything I liked about it still is the mechanics.
So, do you have a thing for big black men, skinny redneck men or both? In the scenes where she wasn't crying or screaming, I thought Lambert was doable.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 19, 2012, 07:25:37 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 19, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
At least I don't like it over Aliens and Predators. ;)
Predator 1 > Predator 2 >>>> Predators....<<< AVP 1 (My oppinion)
For me P1=P2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PS = AvP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>........... AvP-r
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:25:54 PMI cant stand the badger sound effects they used for the Alien in Alien, that and it looks wobbly sometimes.
You mean the non-existent badger sounds? There was nothing in Alien that sounded like a badger. And since the alien wasn't based on a Weebles platform, I'm just going to say you might have been watching another movie.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:25:54 PMThe onlything I liked about it still is the mechanics.
So, do you have a thing for big black men, skinny redneck men or both? In the scenes where she wasn't crying or screaming, I thought Lambert was doable.
The Alien thought thesame.
Lambert always looked like a female Christophen Walker to me.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
You mean the non-existent badger sounds? There was nothing in Alien that sounded like a badger. And since the alien wasn't based on a Weebles platform, I'm just going to say you might have been watching another movie.
Its a reused sound effect that Disney was fond of using in movies about animals, usually it was a little furry animal like a badger.
Ether way I have heard that sound to many times to consider it original.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
So, do you have a thing for big black men, skinny redneck men or both? In the scenes where she wasn't crying or screaming, I thought Lambert was doable.
Its kinda gross you like Lambert, she is very manish.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 21, 2012, 09:43:09 PM
Lambert always looked like a female Christophen Walker to me.
Ewwww...
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
This is blasphemy....
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 21, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
This is blasphemy....
Nah blasphemy would be saying that AvP:R is better than Alien 3.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 21, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
This is blasphemy....
Nah blasphemy would be saying that AvP:R is better than Alien 3.
AvP:R is way better than Alien 3.
blasphemy is saying AvP:R is better than anything.
anything.
i suppose i don't need to lay out every single thing in it that was offendingly awful compared to all other movies, because i don't have the energy to do it.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:43:12 PMIts a reused sound effect that Disney was fond of using in movies about animals, usually it was a little furry animal like a badger. Ether way I have heard that sound to many times to consider it original.
How many Disney movies have you seen?
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PMIts kinda gross you like Lambert, she is very manish.
You said earlier that you liked the mechanics, who are very masculine men, but you find Lambert to be "kinda gross" because her short cropped hair makes her look "mannish"?
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 10:41:19 PM
How many Disney movies have you seen?
Lots.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PMYou said earlier that you liked the mechanics, who are very masculine men, but you find Lambert to be "kinda gross" because her short cropped hair makes her look "mannish"?
I didn't know you like moderators...
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 21, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 21, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
I think out of all the movies in the saga that Alien is the weakest on next to Resurrection. So I would have to say I like AvP:R alot more than Alien. Alien was great the first time I saw it but it way to worn down and shows its age.
This is blasphemy....
More like blasphunny!
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 22, 2012, 04:38:06 AMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 10:41:19 PMHow many Disney movies have you seen?
Lots.
That explains a lot.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 22, 2012, 04:38:06 AMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 21, 2012, 09:32:43 PMYou said earlier that you liked the mechanics, who are very masculine men, but you find Lambert to be "kinda gross" because her short cropped hair makes her look "mannish"?
I didn't know you like moderators...
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Blasphemy! This is Madness!
THIS. IS. A f**kING LAME MEME.
i watch AVP:R more then i watch Alien 3...
^Ditto.
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Jan 25, 2012, 03:03:07 AMi watch AVP:R more then i watch Alien 3...
Do you always watch
Alien³ after
AVP:Rectum or do you sometimes watch other movies after it or watch
AVP: Rectum by itself?
me too, i think i have seen Alien3 like three times, i cant even watch the entire thing, it is sooooooooo booooooooooooooring.
even tho' AVP:R is terrible, you have to give it cred for the pacing.
like a minute in: bang poof schwooossch. ACTION. -then all the annoying humans- then Banng poof schoowsh glerg. MORE ACTION.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 21, 2012, 10:33:38 PM
blasphemy is saying AvP:R is better than anything.
anything.
i suppose i don't need to lay out every single thing in it that was offendingly awful compared to all other movies, because i don't have the energy to do it.
True, At least Alien 3 or even Alien Resurrection for that matter didn't defy or break the "laws" established by their predecessors, which is the meaning of canon, to stay true to the "laws" layed out by the previous movies. AvP-R broke one of the biggest f**king laws big time and is probably the only Alien related movie to actually 'accomplish' this. So to say AvP-R is better than
anything is truely blasphemy. The main and biggest rule broken was repoduction capabilities amongst the xenomorphs, only one xenomorph can truely reproduce. God save the Queen.
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Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jan 25, 2012, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 21, 2012, 10:33:38 PM
blasphemy is saying AvP:R is better than anything.
anything.
i suppose i don't need to lay out every single thing in it that was offendingly awful compared to all other movies, because i don't have the energy to do it.
True, At least Alien 3 or even Alien Resurrection for that matter didn't defy or break the "laws" established by their predecessors, which is the meaning of canon, to stay true to the "laws" layed out by the previous movies. AvP-R broke one of the biggest f**king laws big time and is probably the only Alien related movie to actually 'accomplish' this. So to say AvP-R is better than anything is truely blasphemy. The main and biggest rule broken was repoduction capabilities amongst the xenomorphs, only one xenomorph can truely reproduce. God save the Queen.
http://www.orbitbooks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/alien-queen.jpg
I disagree with your comment on canon breaking, the reproduction capabilities were never flushed out in detail in the movie. Aliens is not Star Trek, in that every single detail is spewed out of whatever it is they talk about.
AVP:R has no redeeming qualities. Such a horribly executed excuse of a movie.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 25, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
I disagree with your comment on canon breaking, the reproduction capabilities were never flushed out in detail in the movie. Aliens is not Star Trek, in that every single detail is spewed out of whatever it is they talk about.
so you need to get stuff spelled out for you? it's all implied and clearly stablished by the way the story deals with it.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 25, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
I disagree with your comment on canon breaking, the reproduction capabilities were never flushed out in detail in the movie. Aliens is not Star Trek, in that every single detail is spewed out of whatever it is they talk about.
so you need to get stuff spelled out for you? it's all implied and clearly stablished by the way the story deals with it.
Thank you so much.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 25, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 25, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
I disagree with your comment on canon breaking, the reproduction capabilities were never flushed out in detail in the movie. Aliens is not Star Trek, in that every single detail is spewed out of whatever it is they talk about.
so you need to get stuff spelled out for you? it's all implied and clearly stablished by the way the story deals with it.
Not really, its an assumption that people made, including the main characters in that movie, that the Queen is the only creature that reproduces, and/or only lays eggs to reproduce.
Every other medium, including film, after Aliens has shown and will show, that their is no limit to how the aliens can reproduce.
For what it's worth, I still see eggbarfing as entirely canon and not continuity-breaking.
As an aside, every time I read the name of this topic, I facepalm.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 25, 2012, 07:24:22 PM
AVP:R has no redeeming qualities. Such a horribly executed excuse of a movie.
Yes it has lots of redeeming qualities.
1) Without AvP:R it can not be proven that standard Xenomorph Warriors can withstand more than one direct hit from a Plasma Caster.
2)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that the M16A2 is less effective than the Pulse Rifle. Excluding the fact that the Pulse Rifle standard round is a 10mm explosive, the shell on impact only generates .88 the amount of energy a shell from a M16A2 generates. Starship trooper, 40k, modern military fans that hate Aliens used too point this fact out as prof Aliens are pathetic and in turn the Colonial Marines, they cant say that now because AvP:R shows that the M16A2 is barely effective against a Human based Warrior.
Pulse rifle shell 10x24mm
Muzzle velocity 840 m/s
Maximum range 2,100m
Maximum effective range 500m
M-16A2 shell 5.56x45mm
Muzzle velocity 948 m/s
maximum range 3,600m
Maximum effective range 550mm point - 800 area
3)Without AvP:R in the movie mediums it can be speculated but not proven that Aliens gain the inherited skills and memories of the host. The PredAlien Queen inherited Scars hunting instincts and skills. It also points out that if a Alien comes from a host that was say a NAVY S.E.A.L., like possible Stalker, Warrior LV-1201, the danger level escalates exponentially high. You would be better off fighting off an army of Xenomorphs than one Warrior that has come from someone with Special Force training and has also had a successful carrier in their field of expertise.
4)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that just because the Colonial Marines did NOT use image intensifiers that they lost the first fight against the Alien Warriors of LV-426. A couple writers from Crackerd.com CLAIM that with Image intensifiers the Aliens would had been perfectly visible to the Colonial Marines, if this were true the Armys personnel in AvP:R would have easily defeated the Xenomorphs, this however didn't happen.
5)Without AvP:R it can not be dis-proven that Predators can hear and smell Xenomorphs. Noland once said in Predators, which by the way is the worst movie in the whole saga, "That if I can smell you, if I can hear you, they can too". Well we now know that Xenomorphs are stealthy enough that they can sneak around Yautja at point blank range and not be detected.
6)Without AvP:R we can not prove that the steel used in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, is much much much stronger than what we use now days. Things made out of steel in AvP:R Aliens ripped through them in seconds, example the hospital scene when Wolf is ambushed by a Human Alien Warrior and rammed through a Elevator door.
The door excluding the other materials in it, would contain 6 inches of Steel.
http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm (http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm)
http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html (http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html)
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 26, 2012, 04:10:00 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 25, 2012, 07:24:22 PM
AVP:R has no redeeming qualities. Such a horribly executed excuse of a movie.
Yes it has lots of redeeming qualities.
1) Without AvP:R it can not be proven that standard Xenomorph Warriors can withstand more than one direct hit from a Plasma Caster.
2)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that the M16A2 is less effective than the Pulse Rifle. Excluding the fact that the Pulse Rifle standard round is a 10mm explosive, the shell on impact only generates .88 the amount of energy a shell from a M16A2 generates. Starship trooper, 40k, modern military fans that hate Aliens used too point this fact out as prof Aliens are pathetic and in turn the Colonial Marines, they cant say that now because AvP:R shows that the M16A2 is barely effective against a Human based Warrior.
Pulse rifle shell 10x24mm
Muzzle velocity 840 m/s
Maximum range 2,100m
Maximum effective range 500m
M-16A2 shell 5.56x45mm
Muzzle velocity 948 m/s
maximum range 3,600m
Maximum effective range 550mm point - 800 area
3)Without AvP:R in the movie mediums it can be speculated but not proven that Aliens gain the inherited skills and memories of the host. The PredAlien Queen inherited Scars hunting instincts and skills. It also points out that if a Alien comes from a host that was say a NAVY S.E.A.L., like possible Stalker, Warrior LV-1201, the danger level escalates exponentially high. You would be better off fighting off an army of Xenomorphs than one Warrior that has come from someone with Special Force training and has also had a successful carrier in their field of expertise.
4)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that just because the Colonial Marines did NOT use image intensifiers that they lost the first fight against the Alien Warriors of LV-426. A couple writers from Crackerd.com CLAIM that with Image intensifiers the Aliens would had been perfectly visible to the Colonial Marines, if this were true the Armys personnel in AvP:R would have easily defeated the Xenomorphs, this however didn't happen.
5)Without AvP:R it can not be dis-proven that Predators can hear and smell Xenomorphs. Noland once said in Predators, which by the way is the worst movie in the whole saga, "That if I can smell you, if I can hear you, they can too". Well we now know that Xenomorphs are stealthy enough that they can sneak around Yautja at point blank range and not be detected.
6)Without AvP:R we can not prove that the steel used in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, is much much much stronger than what we use now days. Things made out of steel in AvP:R Aliens ripped through them in seconds, example the hospital scene when Wolf is ambushed by a Human Alien Warrior and rammed through a Elevator door.
The door excluding the other materials in it, would contain 6 inches of Steel.
http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm (http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm)
http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html (http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html)
@3 what do you think a Xenomorph bursting out of a small child would act like?
the superfluity of all those points is so extreme i can't even begin to articulate a proper dismissal.
THERE WAS NO THOUGHT PUT INTO THESE OCURRANCES WHATSOEVER IN THE MAKING OF THE MOVIE. THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO MEAN ANYTHING EVEN IF THEY DO. THEY WERE ALL ARTISTIC CHOICES. THE CONTRADICTIONS OUTWEIGHT THEM BY AMPLE MARGIN.
who the f**k cares about what the WH40Kfags think? who the hell buys into fake weaponology from people who don't even know you use JOULES, NOT PSI FOR ENERGY? who cares about what a dumbshit cracked writter thinks? if he didn't even pay proper attention to the movie to see that the marines do, infact, use IR overlays? when does any of this stuff starts saying things that we wouldn't know otherwise?
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 26, 2012, 04:35:55 AM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 26, 2012, 04:10:00 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 25, 2012, 07:24:22 PM
AVP:R has no redeeming qualities. Such a horribly executed excuse of a movie.
Yes it has lots of redeeming qualities.
1) Without AvP:R it can not be proven that standard Xenomorph Warriors can withstand more than one direct hit from a Plasma Caster.
2)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that the M16A2 is less effective than the Pulse Rifle. Excluding the fact that the Pulse Rifle standard round is a 10mm explosive, the shell on impact only generates .88 the amount of energy a shell from a M16A2 generates. Starship trooper, 40k, modern military fans that hate Aliens used too point this fact out as prof Aliens are pathetic and in turn the Colonial Marines, they cant say that now because AvP:R shows that the M16A2 is barely effective against a Human based Warrior.
Pulse rifle shell 10x24mm
Muzzle velocity 840 m/s
Maximum range 2,100m
Maximum effective range 500m
M-16A2 shell 5.56x45mm
Muzzle velocity 948 m/s
maximum range 3,600m
Maximum effective range 550mm point - 800 area
3)Without AvP:R in the movie mediums it can be speculated but not proven that Aliens gain the inherited skills and memories of the host. The PredAlien Queen inherited Scars hunting instincts and skills. It also points out that if a Alien comes from a host that was say a NAVY S.E.A.L., like possible Stalker, Warrior LV-1201, the danger level escalates exponentially high. You would be better off fighting off an army of Xenomorphs than one Warrior that has come from someone with Special Force training and has also had a successful carrier in their field of expertise.
4)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that just because the Colonial Marines did NOT use image intensifiers that they lost the first fight against the Alien Warriors of LV-426. A couple writers from Crackerd.com CLAIM that with Image intensifiers the Aliens would had been perfectly visible to the Colonial Marines, if this were true the Armys personnel in AvP:R would have easily defeated the Xenomorphs, this however didn't happen.
5)Without AvP:R it can not be dis-proven that Predators can hear and smell Xenomorphs. Noland once said in Predators, which by the way is the worst movie in the whole saga, "That if I can smell you, if I can hear you, they can too". Well we now know that Xenomorphs are stealthy enough that they can sneak around Yautja at point blank range and not be detected.
6)Without AvP:R we can not prove that the steel used in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, is much much much stronger than what we use now days. Things made out of steel in AvP:R Aliens ripped through them in seconds, example the hospital scene when Wolf is ambushed by a Human Alien Warrior and rammed through a Elevator door.
The door excluding the other materials in it, would contain 6 inches of Steel.
http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm (http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm)
http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html (http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html)
@3 what do you think a Xenomorph bursting out of a small child would act like?
Depends on the child. The kid in the beginning of the movie would offer enhanced hunting skills.
What about ones spawned off the waitress?
Advanced serving skills?
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 26, 2012, 04:38:05 AM
the superfluity of all those points is so extreme i can't even begin to articulate a proper dismissal.
I disagree, I want to hear a proper dismissal.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 26, 2012, 04:38:05 AM
THERE WAS NO THOUGHT PUT INTO THESE OCURRANCES WHATSOEVER IN THE MAKING OF THE MOVIE. THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO MEAN ANYTHING EVEN IF THEY DO. THEY WERE ALL ARTISTIC CHOICES. THE CONTRADICTIONS OUTWEIGHT THEM BY AMPLE MARGIN.
Your hate for this movie has made you make a few contradiction in this statement.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 26, 2012, 04:38:05 AM
who the f**k cares about what the WH40Kfags think?
The greatest challenge in a debate is to defeat an debater that is against your own beliefs.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 26, 2012, 04:38:05 AM
who the hell buys into fake weaponology from people who don't even know you use JOULES, NOT PSI FOR ENERGY?
If this is a crack at me you should reread my posts in the Xenomorphs vs Necromorphs posts.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 26, 2012, 04:38:05 AM
who cares about what a dumbshit cracked writter thinks? if he didn't even pay proper attention to the movie to see that the marines do, infact, use IR overlays?
More people care what he says that what the tech manual says for Aliens related topics.
Will the typo in the name of this thread EVER be fixed?
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 26, 2012, 04:50:58 AM
What about ones spawned off the waitress?
Advanced serving skills?
Well what else can you tell me about this waitress, I am sure that is not the only thing she has in the skills department.
Take me for example, the last job I did I was a Utility Supervisor. That is not the only skills I have acquired, I have Avation Navigational skills, my teacher which was a Naval Aviator Vet told me I was better than anyone in his whole class and I had to prove I knew the basics of flight, flight maintenance such and such, I have an extremely high P.I.G., I am skilled in virtual dog fighting, I am also very good at things that are not considered nice things to do, wilderness survival, emergency preparedness, life saving so on and so forth.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 26, 2012, 04:56:46 AM
Will the typo in the name of this thread EVER be fixed?
We can only pray for now.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 26, 2012, 03:23:59 AM
For what it's worth, I still see eggbarfing as entirely canon and not continuity-breaking.
this! :D
To even give AVP:R even an ounce of credit is beyond me...
I like the Wolf Predator and the Predator Home World but thats about it for AVP:R.
and the whip, and chet, and the end fight.
And the blonde girl.
I'm writing my own AVP script now, but the only thing I'm keeping from AVP-R is the laser trap system Wolf used in the sewers.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 26, 2012, 10:09:05 PM
I'm writing my own AVP script now, but the only thing I'm keeping from AVP-R is the laser trap system Wolf used in the sewers.
Wolf and his gadgets were the ONLY things that were good in AVP:R. It's bad for Wolf that he appeared in such shitty movie. My version of next AVP would be a "prequel", so we can see , at least in some flashbacks , more Wolf action.
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 26, 2012, 04:50:58 AM
What about ones spawned off the waitress?
Advanced serving skills?
:laugh:
QuoteI have Avation Navigational skills,
If an Alien ever bursts outta you and gets near a plane, we are royally f**ked!! :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 26, 2012, 04:50:58 AM
What about ones spawned off the waitress?
Advanced serving skills?
:laugh:
QuoteI have Avation Navigational skills,
If an Alien ever bursts outta you and gets near a plane, we are royally f**ked!! :laugh:
Aliens on a plane ?? sounds trashy...
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Jan 26, 2012, 04:10:00 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 25, 2012, 07:24:22 PM
AVP:R has no redeeming qualities. Such a horribly executed excuse of a movie.
Yes it has lots of redeeming qualities.
1) Without AvP:R it can not be proven that standard Xenomorph Warriors can withstand more than one direct hit from a Plasma Caster.
2)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that the M16A2 is less effective than the Pulse Rifle. Excluding the fact that the Pulse Rifle standard round is a 10mm explosive, the shell on impact only generates .88 the amount of energy a shell from a M16A2 generates. Starship trooper, 40k, modern military fans that hate Aliens used too point this fact out as prof Aliens are pathetic and in turn the Colonial Marines, they cant say that now because AvP:R shows that the M16A2 is barely effective against a Human based Warrior.
Pulse rifle shell 10x24mm
Muzzle velocity 840 m/s
Maximum range 2,100m
Maximum effective range 500m
M-16A2 shell 5.56x45mm
Muzzle velocity 948 m/s
maximum range 3,600m
Maximum effective range 550mm point - 800 area
3)Without AvP:R in the movie mediums it can be speculated but not proven that Aliens gain the inherited skills and memories of the host. The PredAlien Queen inherited Scars hunting instincts and skills. It also points out that if a Alien comes from a host that was say a NAVY S.E.A.L., like possible Stalker, Warrior LV-1201, the danger level escalates exponentially high. You would be better off fighting off an army of Xenomorphs than one Warrior that has come from someone with Special Force training and has also had a successful carrier in their field of expertise.
4)Without AvP:R it can not be proven that just because the Colonial Marines did NOT use image intensifiers that they lost the first fight against the Alien Warriors of LV-426. A couple writers from Crackerd.com CLAIM that with Image intensifiers the Aliens would had been perfectly visible to the Colonial Marines, if this were true the Armys personnel in AvP:R would have easily defeated the Xenomorphs, this however didn't happen.
5)Without AvP:R it can not be dis-proven that Predators can hear and smell Xenomorphs. Noland once said in Predators, which by the way is the worst movie in the whole saga, "That if I can smell you, if I can hear you, they can too". Well we now know that Xenomorphs are stealthy enough that they can sneak around Yautja at point blank range and not be detected.
6)Without AvP:R we can not prove that the steel used in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, is much much much stronger than what we use now days. Things made out of steel in AvP:R Aliens ripped through them in seconds, example the hospital scene when Wolf is ambushed by a Human Alien Warrior and rammed through a Elevator door.
The door excluding the other materials in it, would contain 6 inches of Steel.
http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm (http://www.onlinemetals.com/steelguide.cfm)
http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html (http://www.hkaconsulting.com/Pages/Elevator%20Car%20Sizes.html)
...still no redeeming qualities.
What qualities would a xeno out of me have
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 27, 2012, 05:16:58 PM
What qualities would a xeno out of me have
It would learn how to use a Xbox controller.
Obviously, the best thing about AVPR...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviantart.com%2Fdownload%2F190473266%2Fwolf_predator_card_by_x_neon_98_x-d35ei42.jpg&hash=ff94b10d2d62234a095c3947f0b57b2995869aac)
^ This! ;)
conclusion?
Quote from: The Runner on Jan 27, 2012, 05:16:58 PM
What qualities would a xeno out of me have
Sure wouldn't be punctuation.
Personally i enjoy the movie because of the gore(besides all of the random baby killings, always found that werid) and the action but i see why most people hate this movie. i just cant come to like the 1st very much because of Paul Anderson whom i absoulty hate lol
Last night I watched this again but had Closed Caption turned on, it was more fun this way. Hard to explain, but I really liked the finale with Chet & Wolf with the captions on lol.
Quote from: The Thing from Another World on Jan 30, 2012, 08:59:42 PM
Personally i enjoy the movie because of the gore(besides all of the random baby killings, always found that werid) and the action but i see why most people hate this movie. i just cant come to like the 1st very much because of Paul Anderson whom i absoulty hate lol
AVPR had alot of badly timed gory scenes, what made it worse the movie was like a teen slasher. The solo Alien & Predator movies had well timed gore scenes and did not have too much gore for the sake of an R-Rating.
The movie was decently entertaining when I watched it in the theater mainly because I really hated AvP 2004.
AvP had left a bad taste in my mouth. The predators in that film had been stupidly nerfed (teenage novices with gentle puppy eyes, stolen shoulder cannons, random items of gear that dissolve?!)
OK...having three predators running around with shoulder cannons probably wouldn't be great for balance...but wristblades and nets that don't resist acid? Really? Way to contradict all the established lore.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, AvP-R reversed that with the alien throat-choking, xeno head-stomping Wolf. Obviously, as an unabashed predator fan, I prefer overpowered preds to underpowered preds.
Could AvP-R have been a whole lot better, could it have been a whole lot more balanced while still allowing a veteran predator to shine? Sure...but I like it much more than AvP 2004 because I'm biased.
The AVPR is...not so good , its too dark i can't see things =.=!
But the predator is good though
Quote from: Gorilla KoKo on Feb 11, 2012, 03:09:37 AM
The AVPR is...not so good , its too dark i can't see things =.=!
But the predator is good though
Maybe it's better that it's dark. if we could see all , it would become the WORST MOVIE OF ALL TIMES !!
I liked it
I quite enjoyed the film myself. Went with my wife opening night, and wanted to see it again before it left theaters. My wife was unimpressed, and I didn't get the chance to see it again. Got the unrated extended edition dvd on release and have watched it several times since. :)
^I knew you were cool. 8)
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Feb 14, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: Celtic on Feb 14, 2012, 01:22:29 AM
I liked it
YEAH.
AVPR fan circle is growing!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.abovethelaw.com%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2FI-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore-meme.jpg&hash=c1303f87588ddab75c3de597e6c08ff4e0f6a7f8)
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Feb 14, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: Celtic on Feb 14, 2012, 01:22:29 AM
I liked it
YEAH.
AVPR fan circle is growing!
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Feb 14, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
I quite enjoyed the film myself. Went with my wife opening night, and wanted to see it again before it left theaters. My wife was unimpressed, and I didn't get the chance to see it again. Got the unrated extended edition dvd on release and have watched it several times since. :)
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2012, 07:23:20 PM
^I knew you were cool. 8)
*Group Hug*
Would anyone want to see Mystery Science Theater 3000 make fun of AVPR.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 22, 2012, 04:49:05 PM
Would anyone want to see Mystery Science Theater 3000 make fun of AVPR.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 22, 2012, 05:04:05 PM
YOU HAVE NO IDEA
^^^ I second that
But then again i wanna see MST3000 of most EVERYTHING
i liked avpr.
what was in avpr was everything they forgot to put in the 1st movie.
it was chilling when the pred alien looked at the room full of babies. some people whispered "oh no.." under their breath. what was even more disturbing is when it found the pregnant women. i wanted to look away thinking badly what happened to the unborn babies? did the chestbursters eat them? it was disguising for the alien to mess with the human life cycle but i guess chestbursting through the ribs just dosn't do it for the audience anymore.
Bad actors,
Worse dialogue,
Set on earth,
Creature effects are terrible,
One Predator,
Predalien,
No plot,
Too dark,
The most ineffective Aliens in the franchise,
The fact that the movie (sh**s on everything that Ripley fought to stop)
Small town U.S.A as a setting?????
Predalien infecting babies and pregnant women!!!!
Predator acting non predator
RETARDED DIRECTORS
FOX
.........how can anybody like this steaming turd?!!! >:(
^ Many tend not to.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Feb 23, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
^ Many tend not to.
I have a slight dislike for it.... it's barely noticeable
If AVP:R was rename some other crappy name, let's say Frog vs Toad: Battle of the Amphibians, for example. The movie wouldn't take nearly as much money as AVP:R did. The film would of been unnoticable.
AVP:R should belong with the stupid Sci-FY Channel vs movies like Gatorid vs Monster Shark or Giant Carnivore Hamster vs Spiderzilla.
Check out the trailer! lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHyatYlZf4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHyatYlZf4#ws)
Wow, the trailer has "Piece of dog-shit" written all over it.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Feb 23, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Wow, the trailer has "Piece of dog-shit" written all over it.
Yep. Can't figure out why in hell i was so excited for this after watching the trailer.
On seeing the afore mentioned trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saC13RJ8CUs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saC13RJ8CUs#)
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 23, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Feb 23, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Wow, the trailer has "Piece of dog-shit" written all over it.
Yep. Can't figure out why in hell i was so excited for this after watching the trailer.
Because of the letdown of the first one.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 23, 2012, 12:46:39 PM
Bad actors,
Worse dialogue,
Set on earth,
Creature effects are terrible,
One Predator,
Predalien,
No plot,
Too dark,
The most ineffective Aliens in the franchise,
The fact that the movie (sh**s on everything that Ripley fought to stop)
Small town U.S.A as a setting?????
Predalien infecting babies and pregnant women!!!!
Predator acting non predator
RETARDED DIRECTORS
FOX
.........how can anybody like this steaming turd?!!! >:(
AVPR has to be the most lacking movie ever.
They make the trailer look all exciting and then you go see the movie and it is COMPLETE SHIT. Like honestly. I tried watching this movie with an open mind and i'm still unable to enjoy any ounce of this. Its just TERRIBLE. How could ANYONE like AVPR.
I just bought the AvP unrated 2 pack on blu-ray not to long ago and after watching the first AVP on blu-ray, I actually enjoyed it, being that it was 6 years the last time I watched it. I'm an extremely loyal Alien series fan and I always looked down on these two films but to be completely honest the first AvP had some really cool qualities and Paul Anderson I think created some cool visuals and set ups in the film. Yeah the creature effects were under par and the acting could of been MUCH better but I liked how it was never a one sided affair and sometimes the Aliens were winning and other times the Predators were winning. The f**king Grid Alien was BADASS!! So for a rewatch of Alien vs. Predator on blu-ray on my 55' LED Samsung it was actually a fun film and its definitely changed my mind about the film as a whole after 6 years of ignoring it. Obviously it didn't need to be made and I don't think it needed to be made but for what the first AvP is, I actually enjoyed it after 6 years of blocking it out of my mind.
But GOD AVPR, i'm sorry but there's just NOTHING at all about that movie I can enjoy. The only reason I could possibly find to watch that movie again is the fact that it has Aliens in it and THATS IT. I mean the whole set up of that movie is just wrong on 50 different levels. They made it a teenage slasher flick with Aliens and Predators. That alone makes me vomit on this film heavily. I saw this movie back in '07 when it was released in theaters and I actually had maybe a COUPLE expectations for the movie. I was excited to see the Predalien and the action and horror they had created but was I wrong. This movie sucked and this movie alone explains why FOX went back to making films for the original ALIEN and PREDATOR franchises, such as PREDATORS & PROMETHEUS. Thank You FOX for realizing that unless your willing to take the time to make a quality film its NEVER going to happen and obviously thats what happend when you made AVPR. You simply made a sequel to just make a sequel because you grossed 170million off the first one.
I actually enjoyed both the trailer and the movie, maybe it's because a lot of us at PlanetAvP at the time thought it was cool. :-\ Anyway, the movie could have been a lot worse; I only recently saw Species 3 and I was amazed at the SyFy channel's ability to destroy movie franchises. I thought Lake Placid 2 was the only movie series which this channel had blasphemized, but apparently destroying one amazing movie franchise wasn't enough.
Species 3 not only destroyed the continuity of the movie series, but it also drastically altered the theme, style, and mood of the 2 films that came before it. What was once an action movie franchise about the military hunting down an Alien seductress became a movie about a college student who had to fight his sexual attraction to another female alien while at the same time try to uncover some sort of alien conspiracy. The storyline of the series was drastically changed and in my opinion, the film should be erased from the canon of that franchise.
AVPR actually had the decency to keep to the traditional themes and style of its predecessors, even if the plot wasn't as great as fans would have wanted. I'm just thankful that SyFy never got a chance to make its own entry into the series; it would have killed the entire AVP franchise just like it did with Species and Lake Placid.
EDIT: Species 3 was actually a good film by SyFy standards if you compare it to many of the company's other endeavors; they actually used real life props and suits rather than composite all the monsters in CGI. I appreciate the Strause Brothers for not being this cheap and lazy, at least.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 24, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
I actually enjoyed both the trailer and the movie, maybe it's because a lot of us at PlanetAvP at the time thought it was cool. :-\ Anyway, the movie could have been a lot worse; I only recently saw Species 3 and I was amazed at the SyFy channel's ability to destroy movie franchises. I thought Lake Placid 2 was the only movie series which this channel had blasphemized, but apparently destroying one amazing movie franchise wasn't enough.
Species 3 not only destroyed the continuity of the movie series, but it also drastically altered the theme, style, and mood of the 2 films that came before it. What was once an action movie franchise about the military hunting down an Alien seductress became a movie about a college student who had to fight his sexual attraction to another female alien while at the same time try to uncover some sort of alien conspiracy. The storyline of the series was drastically changed and in my opinion, the film should be erased from the canon of that franchise.
AVPR actually had the decency to keep to the traditional themes and style of its predecessors, even if the plot wasn't as great as fans would have wanted. I'm just thankful that SyFy never got a chance to make its own entry into the series; it would have killed the entire AVP franchise just like it did with Species and Lake Placid.
EDIT: Species 3 was actually a good film by SyFy standards if you compare it to many of the company's other endeavors; they actually used real life props and suits rather than composite all the monsters in CGI. I appreciate the Strause Brothers for not being this cheap and lazy, at least.
The AvP franchise is already dead
No need to quote an entire post just to say one small sentence.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
No need to quote an entire post just to say one small sentence.
Apologies, I'm at work as I type
I wouldn't say the AvP franchise is dead because the films did make money.
Yeah but all credibility is lost and fan patience has been stretched to it's limits.... of course unless anyone likes the two pieces of s**t
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 24, 2012, 10:35:49 PM
Yeah but all credibility is lost and fan patience has been stretched to it's limits.... of course unless anyone likes the two pieces of s**t
Well, yeah pretty much. :)
I guess I have a bit more faith in the franchise than you guys, but you're right when you say the franchise is on its last strings with the AVP films and the AVP2010 game. Prometheus and A:CM are our last hope.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 24, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
I guess I have a bit more faith in the franchise than you guys, but you're right when you say the franchise is on its last strings with the AVP films and the AVP2010 game. Prometheus and A:CM are our last hope.
Off topic question: Was that game really that bad? I thought it did good?
The game wasn't as scary as its predecessors and it got very repetitive, there's also a multiplayer xp problem where the game forgets the xp you earned.
Predxeno is right. AVP2 scared the hell out of me at moments. I was sweating when I was being stalked by the Predalien in the observation pods.
AVP3 is eye candy. That's it.
I loved AvP2 as well. I never understood why they didn't just use that for the story for one of the movies.
I think from past experiences with that whole transfer from video games to movies, i've discovered its never going to work out. Trying to squeeze in the storyline of a 40 hour game into a 2 hour movie is basically impossible. Especially when you have a budget your constantly working against and studio finacial risks. People complain that the comic books of AVP should of been made into movies but you can't do that with such a budget FOX would give you. Paul did the best he could with a mediocre budget and a shitty idea. I actually enjoyed the first AvP but if i'm being honest, yeah...it was shit as far as being an Alien or Predator movie goes. But by being a stand alone film with JUST Predators and Aliens it actually wasn't half that bad.
But yeah, the AVP movies could of been a WHOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEE lot better. To me as stand alone movies. The first AVP is actually a entertaining and fun movie. But AVPR...Even with an open mind I'm still unable to enjoy that movie and I'm sure it will always be that way. I mean even to someone who's never seen an ALIEN or PREDATOR movie before that movie would still suck. The movie relies solely on creature effects and gore to make things happen. Its a teenage drama slasher flick. It just unnecessarily inserted things into the film that basically EVERY Alien/AVP/Predator movie was trying to avoid. And that was becoming basically just a shitty B horror film. Which ultimately AVPR became in the end was just a shitty B horror film...more like a big fat F to be frank.
avp was a comic book story, not really movie material. i guess comic fans are so forgiving about the movie because the comics started the series, but it's harder for movie fans to forgive.
in avp, predator movie fans were not pleased as their favorite hunter was turned into a flashy pro wrestler and a ninja. comic book characters in which if i had to favor one i'd pick the ninja. at least in avpr the predator is a little more pleasing. unfortunately for alien fans they had nothing to be pleased about in either movie. the predator alien dosn't bother me much due to my own thought up answers which i've posted in the queen-predalien thread to give me comfort.
what was in avpr is what should have been in avp. it's all leftovers and loose ends that should have been addressed in the 1st movie. it shouldn't have been necessary to make another movie but you might as well enjoy the extended ending. the plot of avpr was still the 1st movie, it's not 2nd movie or a sequel, it's all just extra where your still watching the 1st movie.
maybe if someone were to combine both avp movies into one more complete movie, than something better could come from it. but until then, for me to watch avp i gotta get into the mood. for me to watch avpr, i can watch that anytime because i would rather watch the ending than the beginning of this comic book story as events play out faster.
I agree. AVPR was just a flop. AVP had a 50million dollar budget and grossed 175 million. While AVPR had only a 40 million dollar budget and only grossed 127 million. FOX basically just made a sequel for the sake of making a sequel due to the fact that they made 175 mil off the first one. AVP didn't even get good ratings. I remember the AvP website where they would have you vote who would win. LOL, that was cool. I remember seeing the Predator getting more votes. But they made the movie to be this BIG epic battle between Aliens and Predators. It just wasn't. I enjoyed AvP sure but where was the big battle? Where are the hordes of Aliens vs big tribal bands of Predators vs. The Marines? You know, thats what people wanted to see, instead we got this minimalistic, 90 minute, B movie with mediocre setups and creature effects. But to be honest I blame the budget the film was given. With only a 50 million dollar budget thats basically the most they could do. AND for what they were able to do I actually enjoyed it. As a stand alone film AvP actually has rewatch value and I would definitely watch it again after my baby which is the Alien series.
AVPR just stings me everytime I watch it. Just nothing but pain and misery. The movie wasn't fun, it wasn't cutting edge and its certainly not something I think should be respected or admired. It just flopped. The only thing that movie succeeded at doing was the creature effects which were done by Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr. who had done all the creature effects since Aliens. Those guys rock. I love em. The only other redeemable quality about AVPR was the fact that it had Aliens in it for me. Those were basically the ONLY two redeeming qualities in that whole movie and why I have it on my shelf.
But overall to even say AVP or AVPR is better than the Aliens films or even the Predator films is RIDICULOUS. I understand everyone had their own opinion but come on. The true quality in the Aliens series is colossal. The story is so rich and robust and full of awesomeness and epicness. The Predator series was good too. Not a huge fan of it but it certainly is a good franchise. The AVP franchise didn't make the Aliens or the Predators look badass, it basically just shit on the classiness of the entire series. AVP succeeded at trying to be original and I could say that this film avoided all the shitiness AVPR gave us. But yes to be more specific, it was AVPR that shat on the entire franchise. Not only the original Alien and Predator movies but just the fun and entertaining set up the first AVP gave us. And boy did the AVP series go down fast. You know the first AVP had something somewhat interesting going for it and than here comes along the shitfest of AVPR.
I can agree with that.
I saw AVP on Spike TV last night and it was quite fun.
AVP is eye candy.
AVPR is eye strainer.
Quote from: The Runner on Feb 25, 2012, 06:23:04 PM
I can agree with that.
I saw AVP on Spike TV last night and it was quite fun.
^So did I. :)
Quote from: Ripley Clone 8 on Feb 25, 2012, 04:21:57 PM
I agree. AVPR was just a flop. AVP had a 50million dollar budget and grossed 175 million. While AVPR had only a 40 million dollar budget and only grossed 127 million. FOX basically just made a sequel for the sake of making a sequel due to the fact that they made 175 mil off the first one. AVP didn't even get good ratings. I remember the AvP website where they would have you vote who would win. LOL, that was cool. I remember seeing the Predator getting more votes. But they made the movie to be this BIG epic battle between Aliens and Predators. It just wasn't. I enjoyed AvP sure but where was the big battle? Where are the hordes of Aliens vs big tribal bands of Predators vs. The Marines? You know, thats what people wanted to see, instead we got this minimalistic, 90 minute, B movie with mediocre setups and creature effects. But to be honest I blame the budget the film was given. With only a 50 million dollar budget thats basically the most they could do. AND for what they were able to do I actually enjoyed it. As a stand alone film AvP actually has rewatch value and I would definitely watch it again after my baby which is the Alien series.
AVPR just stings me everytime I watch it. Just nothing but pain and misery. The movie wasn't fun, it wasn't cutting edge and its certainly not something I think should be respected or admired. It just flopped. The only thing that movie succeeded at doing was the creature effects which were done by Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr. who had done all the creature effects since Aliens. Those guys rock. I love em. The only other redeemable quality about AVPR was the fact that it had Aliens in it for me. Those were basically the ONLY two redeeming qualities in that whole movie and why I have it on my shelf.
But overall to even say AVP or AVPR is better than the Aliens films or even the Predator films is RIDICULOUS. I understand everyone had their own opinion but come on. The true quality in the Aliens series is colossal. The story is so rich and robust and full of awesomeness and epicness. The Predator series was good too. Not a huge fan of it but it certainly is a good franchise. The AVP franchise didn't make the Aliens or the Predators look badass, it basically just shit on the classiness of the entire series. AVP succeeded at trying to be original and I could say that this film avoided all the shitiness AVPR gave us. But yes to be more specific, it was AVPR that shat on the entire franchise. Not only the original Alien and Predator movies but just the fun and entertaining set up the first AVP gave us. And boy did the AVP series go down fast. You know the first AVP had something somewhat interesting going for it and than here comes along the shitfest of AVPR.
TOTALLY AGREE, however i would pray they reboot and give a 3rd in future space, something along the lines of avp redemption, if youve seen that, that blew doors on avpr and sorry, but imho the brothers strause failed at following what should have been, they should have stuck to cannon of prior films, avpr yes i own, yes i watch it sometimes when getting my fix, but it failed me, only thibng i liked was the wolf and the ending, it definately didnt need the lil romance seen at the pool, weather she was cute or not, that was atrotious
Yeah redemption was awesome
AVPR had a much lower budget then AVP. The first AVP had a $60 million budget.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 03:27:56 PM
AVPR had a much lower budget then AVP. The first AVP had a $60 million budget.
with the 60 million dollar budget they made it look like a much more higher budget movie though. even with the lower budget avp-r could've been way better. predators also had a 40 million dollar budget and at least it was in space. avp-r could've been much better if they had a better script. you don't need 100 million dollar budgets for an avp movie. just write a good story with interesting characters. it's about the characters ! leave the aliens and predators in the dark till halfway through the movie or something. like neil marshall said in the making of dog soldiers, i wanted to make a movie about soldiers with werewolves in it. if the soldiers aren't believable it wouldn't be much of a movie. make it about characters please, not about the creatures.
There is literally no justification for how shitty AVP-R is
Thats true, Predators did have the budget of $40 million and it was set on a different planet.
Predators was so much better then AVPR.
Unlike AVPR, Predators was about the human characters not the Predators.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
Thats true, Predators did have the budget of $40 million and it was set on a different planet.
Predators was so much better then AVPR.
Unlike AVPR, Predators was about the human characters not the Predators.
yep and thats the way it always should be with an alien or predator film. the only wrong decision they made with predators was the overwelming amount of references to the older films and even copying some scenes. it should've been more standalone. and what i mean by more standalone is don't reference the other movies constantly. make up your own scenes
You got a very good point, Predators for no reason had to make lots of references to the original.
No need to copy scenes from the first Predator.
Look on the bright side Predators was way better then AVPR :).
that's why i like predators and dislike avp-r :laugh: the characters where interesting 8) only 2 things i liked about avp-r where chet and wolf. (yeah i will get flamed for liking chet ::)) but if she was just repainted to match the colors of the aliens aliens. she would've looked much better. at least you dont see the ugly yellow color on her when watching avp-r cuz the movie is so darn dark.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 04:15:18 PM
You got a very good point, Predators for no reason had to make lots of references to the original.
No need to copy scenes from the first Predator.
Look on the bright side Predators was way better then AVPR :).
Agreed, but no matter how many times Predators referenced Predator, nothing is worse than the "Get to the Chopper!" line in Requiem
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 28, 2012, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 04:15:18 PM
You got a very good point, Predators for no reason had to make lots of references to the original.
No need to copy scenes from the first Predator.
Look on the bright side Predators was way better then AVPR :).
Agreed, but no matter how many times Predators referenced Predator, nothing is worse than the "Get to the Chopper!" line in Requiem
the we have to copy billy's dead scene came really close :-X they even used the same soundtrack if i remember correctly. Anderson at least tried to be original of some sorts. i can't really remember a lot of scenes in the first avp that where copied from earlier movies.
Ever sinse AVPR came out, the first AVP has been getting better respect.
wich it deserves. they actually tried. and tbh i though scar was a pretty badass predator even though he grew soft after the team up. anderson also balanced the species the best he could. we all know he's an alien fanboy but he kinda play around with the battles about who's getting the upper hand. actually liked some of the characters also.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 22, 2012, 04:49:05 PM
Would anyone want to see Mystery Science Theater 3000 make fun of AVPR.
I understand this reply is late, but in answer to your question...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLuW-GBaJ8k# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLuW-GBaJ8k#)
Why do some people think it's harsh comparing "Jaws: The Revenge" with AVPR.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
Why do some people think it's harsh comparing "Jaws: The Revenge" with AVPR.
because it's an insult to jaws: the revenge :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well AVPR is nearly as hated as Jaws: The Revenge.
At least Jaws the Revenge had good actors and succeeded as a charming comedy.
and you could actually see what happened ::) not just hear the bad acting :laugh:
What Jaws The Revenge did to its franchise was worse than what both AVP films did to the AVP franchise.
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
also listening to the commentary on the avp-r bluray makes me hate the movie even more. the strauses really acted like spoiled brats. where anderson at least has the decency to respect the franchise.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 28, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
At least the Strause Brothers didn't destroy the theme of the franchise. :-\
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 28, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
At least the Strause Brothers didn't destroy the theme of the franchise. :-\
wait..... what ?!
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 28, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
At least the Strause Brothers didn't destroy the theme of the franchise. :-\
They plopped aliens into small town america,turned the aliens into wussies, and made their movie Friday the 13th with Aliens and Preds. Amongst countless other flaws
Oh oops, I got my story about Jaws The Revenge a little mixed up; originally the story was going to be about how the Brody family pissed someone off, then that someone cursed the family and that's why the shark is hunting them.
Jaws: The Revenge pretty much nailed the coffin to the Jaws series. At least AVP:R didn't kill Alien and Predator off the big screens. Barely.
Jaws the Revenge is a bad movie. That is a given.
The film only got made because the head of Universal was married to Lorraine Gary and wanted his wife to reprise her most famous role.
Kinda like how Anderson keeps putting his wife in those Resident Evil movies or Rob Zombie keeps trying to make his wife the whacking material of his audience.
Another movie thats just as bad as AVPR would be Son of the Mask.
Oh god that was horrible.
a lot of people won't agree with me (still having a hard time understanding that in this franchise situation) but i find terminator salvation just as bad.
Rise of the Machines is worse
rise of the machines had actual terminators instead of throwminators. guess thats all i have to say bout it.
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 28, 2012, 07:30:07 PM
rise of the machines had actual terminators instead of throwminators. guess thats all i have to say bout it.
'throwminators' :laugh:
both were poor
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 28, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
At least the Strause Brothers didn't destroy the theme of the franchise. :-\
It had a theme?
The highly dramatic struggle of a pizza delivery boy between two of the most famous movie monsters everrrrrrr! That's a theme! It only lacked 5D.
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 28, 2012, 05:02:51 PM
At least those involved with Revenge admitted they didn't do so well.
The Strause Brothers have done no such thing.
At least the Strause Brothers didn't destroy the theme of the franchise. :-\
It had a theme?
Aliens hunting humans in the dark fighting Predators, which is more in tune than what Jaws The Revenge had in regard to its predecessors.
The Bros are probably busy trying to forget and avoid the issue. I would be, if I hadn't offed myself already for nailing the lid on the coffin of my favorite potential sci-fi creature crossover.
The Bros have commented on how they dislike the movie many times during the press for Skyline. Look for interviews during that film's press run. The bottom line is that they hate/dislike the movie as much as we do but can't be so blunt about it like we can because it looks bad on them and people wouldn't want to do business with them.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
The Bros have commented on how they dislike the movie many times during the press for Skyline. Look for interviews during that film's press run. The bottom line is that they hate/dislike the movie as much as we do but can't be so blunt about it like we can because it looks bad on them and people wouldn't want to do business with them.
Ah, interesting.
To totally out myself, I liked Skyline, and think they do well in the FX department. And if I had to realistically shift the hate from the Bros. to a more reasonable ... uh... reason, it would probably land on hiring them to direct in the first place. I may have tolerated the goofy SFX in AvP:R if there had been better
everything else.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 28, 2012, 03:27:56 PM
AVPR had a much lower budget then AVP. The first AVP had a $60 million budget.
redemption was made for less than 10,000 us dollars if i remember, fan film, and it blows doors on avpr and possibly even first avp, ill go get the link for you guys
http://youtu.be/J0nLUYFc0H4 (http://youtu.be/J0nLUYFc0H4)
part 2, http://youtu.be/hPuinM90FAI (http://youtu.be/hPuinM90FAI)
part 3, http://youtu.be/CuAmewvf3wY (http://youtu.be/CuAmewvf3wY) enjoy
im nobody special, just a fan, but in my opinion this is excellen, esspecially for a fan film
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
The Bros have commented on how they dislike the movie many times during the press for Skyline. Look for interviews during that film's press run. The bottom line is that they hate/dislike the movie as much as we do but can't be so blunt about it like we can because it looks bad on them and people wouldn't want to do business with them.
If they are being honest about this, good for them. It is very adult to admit when one makes a mistake regarding their art, and the best filmmakers always own up when they mess up.
However, given the behavior I have heard from them, it seems possible they are saying this just so people who could potentially give them a job don't think AvP R is the kind of film they want to make.
For example, Jane Fonda's apology to Vietnam vets was suspected of having such motivations behind it.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 29, 2012, 01:06:06 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
The Bros have commented on how they dislike the movie many times during the press for Skyline. Look for interviews during that film's press run. The bottom line is that they hate/dislike the movie as much as we do but can't be so blunt about it like we can because it looks bad on them and people wouldn't want to do business with them.
If they are being honest about this, good for them. It is very adult to admit when one makes a mistake regarding their art, and the best filmmakers always own up when they mess up.
However, given the behavior I have heard from them, it seems possible they are saying this just so people who could potentially give them a job don't think AvP R is the kind of film they want to make.
For example, Jane Fonda's apology to Vietnam vets was suspected of having such motivations behind it.
True, but I've heard it right from the horses mouth from Crom (he works with them and has account here on the site) and they think its the Friday the 13th part 8 of the Alien/Predator movies. Why they pick that particular Friday the 13th I don't know.
Because even Friday the 13th fans hate that one.
I know because I used to be hardcore. :D
But that is a discussion for another time.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Feb 29, 2012, 01:34:30 AM
Because even Friday the 13th fans hate that one.
I know because I used to be hardcore. :D
But that is a discussion for another time.
How hilarious that comment fall on you, Monolith. :laugh: As far as I knew, you are or were a Jason Voorhees fool!
Slasher fool, very yes. Love a good hack n slash movie.
As far as Friday, the first four are my loves. The latter ones sometimes evoke Star Wars levels of fan rage, which is a bit sad when you think about it.
Hell, part 1 is my favorite and in that one Jason isn't even the killer. If anything, I am a Pamela Voorhees fool.
I would like to tell all fans of this movie, keep on loving it. We wish we could share your love.
AVP:R is F13 Part VIII? Nahh, how about Jason X? Or Part IX? Both of them were terrible.
Would anyone say The Thing prequel that came out recently is better then AVPR or no.
Even though The Thing prequel made some plotholes it was not as bad as AVPR.
i liked the new "THE THING PREQUEL" it could have been better, but was no where near as bad as avpr, id give that movie a solid 7 where i give avpr like a 5
Quote from: mn2movies on Feb 29, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
i liked the new "THE THING PREQUEL" it could have been better, but was no where near as bad as avpr, id give that movie a solid 7 where i give avpr like a 5
AVPR was way worse, atleast The Thing prequel is indeed a better movie.
Jason X is enjoyable compare to AVPR since that movie makes you laugh. AVPR just insulting to watch.
AVPR is way too dark but has anyone made the TV brighter to see the movie better.
Lol, there's a good bet somebody has.
The new Thing (how I loathe it) sure was a better movie than AvP:R, I think. Production values, plot, directing, SFX, many things were great. For me the movie failed because of the script, and when I compare it to the brilliance of the original Thing.
AvP:R was the bottom step of a long staircase down, maybe even starting with Alien:Resurrection if you hated that film.
The only thing I enjoyed about the movie was the Wolf Predator character. I felt like the directors got a real feel of the Predators back, since AVP erased it with those slow body-builder types.
It did far more right as a Predator film (and well at that) than it did as an Alien film. Xenomorphs on modern day Earth is a big no no, and just about all of the drama/storyline felt like it was ripped right out of a CW series.
The darkness kills me too!
Now I enjoyed it much more than AVP but that's not saying much. Still not a good movie IMO, but to each their own!
I actually enjoyed the AVP films, I hope they eventually release more, abeit with more AVP action.
The thing with Alien vs Predator: Requiem is that the first time through its like "heh ok that was different" but watch it again and your like "WTF were they thinking!" it's got no rewatch value. (to me)
Most of the other movies mentioned here I could watch a few times over but AvP:R I can't stomach anymore.
Be a good torture method, strap someone to a chair and force them to watch AvP:R on loop, yehh that'd work :-*
Watching AVP:R should be a new method for a successor to Saw: The Final Chapter
AVPR has used way too many homages, thats overkill did they really need to make homages to the Alien and Predator movies.
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 20, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
AVPR has used way too many homages, thats overkill did they really need to make homages to the Alien and Predator movies.
Exact same mistake they made with Predators.
Quote from: Snowdog on Mar 20, 2012, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 20, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
AVPR has used way too many homages, thats overkill did they really need to make homages to the Alien and Predator movies.
Exact same mistake they made with Predators.
Has anyone ever listed all the homages Predators did?.
I still think Predators is better then AVPR.
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 20, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
AVPR has used way too many homages, thats overkill did they really need to make homages to the Alien and Predator movies.
Don't you hate it when movies do that; it totally kills any realism the story may have had.
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 20, 2012, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Mar 20, 2012, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 20, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
AVPR has used way too many homages, thats overkill did they really need to make homages to the Alien and Predator movies.
Exact same mistake they made with Predators.
Has anyone ever listed all the homages Predators did?.
I still think Predators is better then AVPR.
It's a lot better but it still has way to many homages wich almost ruined the movie. It could've been so much better with almost the same story.
Doing too much homages gets really annoying >:(, atleast "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" did not use too much homages.
I must be alone on this, but I had no problem with the amount of homages in AVP:R or Predators. :-\
I'm quite done with homages tbh, make an original movie. if i want to relive scenes from excisting movies i'll just watch that movie.
Quote from: Snowdog on Apr 03, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
I'm quite done with homages tbh, make an original movie. if i want to relive scenes from excisting movies i'll just watch that movie.
:laugh: :laugh: I don't think you can be done with homages, man. Not like you have control of what they put into the movies.
There is an excuse for Predators though. It's a sequel to Predator but also reboots it, it's not uncommon for sequel reboots to take direct homages from other previous installments. A good example is Scream 4, not only was it a sequel but it also re-establishes the rules from the films.
Quote from: mastermoon on Mar 08, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
AVPR is way too dark but has anyone made the TV brighter to see the movie better.
I have a personal setting I use when I watch it on my computer. Theres normal, power saver and AVPR ;D
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Apr 03, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
There is an excuse for Predators though. It's a sequel to Predator but also reboots it, it's not uncommon for sequel reboots to take direct homages from other previous installments. A good example is Scream 4, not only was it a sequel but it also re-establishes the rules from the films.
This. I didn't mind a few homages like in predators but AVPR went overboard. Also try making some original music instead of remastering old music from a much better film.
wow, thanks for all the replies, i thought this thread was removed, turns out it was moved to the AVP section.
We got your back, brah!
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Apr 03, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
There is an excuse for Predators though. It's a sequel to Predator but also reboots it, it's not uncommon for sequel reboots to take direct homages from other previous installments. A good example is Scream 4, not only was it a sequel but it also re-establishes the rules from the films.
AVPR is MUCH better than Predators by a loooong shot. i was actually one of the first few people here to "review" the movie http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=33082.0;topicseen (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=33082.0;topicseen)
What worked in the first predator movie, they try to do it again and failed.
for me, AVPR is a popcorn flick that i can enjoy(just because of wolf) from time to time, watching Predators is like watching man vs wild but without the awesomeness. I just tend to think it's canon in the saga.
and why is it better than AVP
-it's not directed by Paul Shite Anderson
-no teenage predators with goofy eyes and pink mouths
-predator taking on multiple aliens
-no team ups
I'm suprised anyone would rate Predators over AvP:Poo.
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2012, 05:44:10 AM
I'm suprised anyone would rate Predators over AvP:Poo.
Well you're going to get a real shocker.
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2012, 05:44:10 AM
I'm suprised anyone would rate Predators over AvP:Poo.
You hate Predators more than AVPR? Wow. I've never heard that before. :o
How can anyone say AVPR is better then Predators ???.
Predators redeemed AVPR, we should be thankfull!
When watching AVPR it has too much problems like bad acting, horrible dialogue, cardboard characters, over-the-top gore, bad lighting, jumpy editing, teen slasher, R-Rating just for the sake of being Rated-R.
Predators is a better movie, it was able to have the charm of the classics.
Predators had some cool characters who actually got some depth where avp-r got none
Quote from: Snowdog on Apr 05, 2012, 05:01:06 PM
Predators had some cool characters who actually got some depth where avp-r got none
Depth? Not really. They do work, though. Which is more than can be said of the trash in AvPR
AVPR was on tv last night and I watched it before going to sleep. To be honest, it's kind of growing in me.
*Runs and hides*
Be proud, Alice! :laugh:
But, what the hell is this about Predators being worse than AVP:R. I mean, c'mon, man.
i think Predators is worse than AvPR because it actually had potential. in AvPR, it was just so shitty you can't even get mad anymore. with Predators, it builds and builds and then it falls flat on it's face. it hurts to watch because you know you want to like it.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
i think Predators is worse than AvPR because it actually had potential. in AvPR, it was just so shitty you can't even get mad anymore. with Predators, it builds and builds and then it falls flat on it's face. it hurts to watch because you know you want to like it.
AVPR got largely negative reviews from everyone, Predators did much better then AVPR ever did in reviews.
never mentioned general opinions. i just felt predators let me down. it had so many great ideas and just phoned it. its the second time i take someone to see an A/P movie with me and leave completely embarassed.
there were so many bad decisions made, i cringe. just like AVP, it COULD have been good. AVPR was never going to.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Apr 05, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
AVPR was on tv last night and I watched it before going to sleep. To be honest, it's kind of growing in me.
*Runs and hides*
Don't be ashamed. Join the club. :D
....I could've I posted here a few moments ago... Now my post is gone?
...The hell gives?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 05, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
i think Predators is worse than AvPR because it actually had potential. in AvPR, it was just so shitty you can't even get mad anymore. with Predators, it builds and builds and then it falls flat on it's face. it hurts to watch because you know you want to like it.
yeah i absolutely agree, it just sucks to see something thing that can bloom into something good to fail and not able to deliver...
AVPR is what it is, nothing more nothing less
The only reason Predators is a better movie that AvP:R is that its watchable for me. Its stupid, but not really offensive. AvP:R is just downright offensive. It crossed lines that shouldn't have been crossed. The Wolf is the only worthwhile character, and he's not enough for me to watch the movie.
Predators is just good background noise, fun to watch if you're in the mood for some brainless action.
Though, I had to admit, the subtitles for the hearing-impared at the beginning of AvP:R were rather amusing.
Quote from: Snowdog on Apr 05, 2012, 05:01:06 PM
Predators had some cool characters who actually got some depth where avp-r got none
I agree with this the most. Royce and Isabelle had a lot of depth to them, and it didn't feel contrived. The characters never conveniently changed for storyline purposes. Nikolai was an endearingly loyal character, and he played an important role in the chemistry of the unit. Iliked everything about Predators, save te new Predator designs. I thought they were silly.
Quote from: Topazora on Apr 06, 2012, 07:40:58 AM
The only reason Predators is a better movie that AvP:R is that its watchable for me. Its stupid, but not really offensive. AvP:R is just downright offensive. It crossed lines that shouldn't have been crossed. The Wolf is the only worthwhile character, and he's not enough for me to watch the movie.
Predators is just good background noise, fun to watch if you're in the mood for some brainless action.
Though, I had to admit, the subtitles for the hearing-impared at the beginning of AvP:R were rather amusing.
Agreed :laugh: AVP:R with the closed captioned makes it so much more fun! I think my favorite is towards the end when it displays "gun running low on power." I couldn't stop laughing.
AVPR's biggest cons.
1.There were several unusual continuity errors and factual errors scattered through out the film; such as when the main character's brother is impaled through the chest by the Predalien, then he simply walks it off.
2.The main characters were very uninteresting and dropped like flies.
3.The story was absent from the film.
4.The movie was too short.
It is non-stop violence for the sake of violence.
I think for AVP, I should just stick to fantasies and books. We'll never get that AVP film we all want.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Apr 06, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
I think for AVP, I should just stick to fantasies and books. We'll never get that AVP film we all want.
AVPR had that very cliched teen slasher feel to it, why have lovesick very emo teenagers in the movie?.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Apr 06, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
I think for AVP, I should just stick to fantasies and books. We'll never get that AVP film we all want.
AVP 1 is quite OK for me. I maybe be now hated , but, I like it...I like it a lot...AVPR is ..well..something different. I'm ignoring that movie.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Apr 06, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
AVP 1 is quite OK for me. I maybe be now hated , but, I like it...I like it a lot...AVPR is ..well..something different. I'm ignoring that movie.
The first AvP is perhaps somewhat salvageable. For all it's flaws, it can be enjoyed as something of a popcorn movie.
AvP-R on the other hand, well... it's hard to defend that film. Now I'm not with the majority who wants to see the film burned in a bonfire, but I'm not going out of my way to defending it because it's mentally exhausting when going against the nay-sayers.
PREDATORS on the other hand... well... People are saying that they had great characters, but really I disagree with that as I felt no connection to said characters, and instead wanted them to die and the movie to me just felt like watching a child trying to walk, only to ultimately fall on their face on hard a concrete pavement. I just... didn't enjoy PREDATORS..
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 06, 2012, 01:58:16 PM
AVPR's biggest cons.
1.There were several unusual continuity errors and factual errors scattered through out the film; such as when the main character's brother is impaled through the chest by the Predalien, then he simply walks it off.
2.The main characters were very uninteresting and dropped like flies.
3.The story was absent from the film.
4.The movie was too short.
It is non-stop violence for the sake of violence.
he was impaled in the shoulder, nothing critical.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 06, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Apr 06, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
AVP 1 is quite OK for me. I maybe be now hated , but, I like it...I like it a lot...AVPR is ..well..something different. I'm ignoring that movie.
The first AvP is perhaps somewhat salvageable. For all it's flaws, it can be enjoyed as something of a popcorn movie.
AvP-R on the other hand, well... it's hard to defend that film. Now I'm not with the majority who wants to see the film burned in a bonfire, but I'm not going out of my way to defending it because it's mentally exhausting when going against the nay-sayers.
PREDATORS on the other hand... well... People are saying that they had great characters, but really I disagree with that as I felt no connection to said characters, and instead wanted them to die and the movie to me just felt like watching a child trying to walk, only to ultimately fall on their face on hard a concrete pavement. I just... didn't enjoy PREDATORS..
-Rakai'Thwei
Preadator are for me something similar as AVP 1. Not the quality of the predecessors, but can be clasiified as a popcorn movie. As a very good popcorn movie.
Requiem Cons
The Strauses
The script
Sh*t actors
Sh*t direction
Worse editing
A f*cking Predalien
Set on earth
Wolf arguably the worst Predator ever
Aliens are the worst ever
Set design
Costume and creature design
TOO DARK
One Predator
Get to the chopper!! Are you f*cking kidding!!!
No suspense
Not frightening
The action scenes are awful
A spaceship crashes and nobody bar a man and his son f*cking son notice
Pros
It ends
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
Requiem Cons
The Strauses
The script
Sh*t actors
Sh*t direction
Worse editing
A f*cking Predalien
Set on earth
Wolf arguably the worst Predator ever
Aliens are the worst ever
Set design
Costume and creature design
TOO DARK
One Predator
Get to the chopper!! Are you f*cking kidding!!!
No suspense
Not frightening
The action scenes are awful
A spaceship crashes and nobody bar a man and his son f*cking son notice
Pros
It ends
+1,000
I can't believe people actually like the wolf Predator.
He does look pretty cool -- when he is masked:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi848.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab43%2FOmegaZilla95%2FAlien%2520and%2520Predator%2FAliens%2520Vs%2520Predator%2520Requiem%2FWolfblade-1.jpg&hash=cb85bc7a391321122e1418bddb9ee0348cee4f4f)
It is the actual face I don't like. But the rest of the design is real nice -- which of course has no relation with the character itself.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Apr 07, 2012, 08:48:32 PM
Preadator are for me something similar as AVP 1. Not the quality of the predecessors, but can be clasiified as a popcorn movie. As a very good popcorn movie.
Yeah, I feel the same way pretty much. At least AVP1 & Predators gave me some enjoyment where as AVPR
was a pain to sit through.
I think Wolf is a pretty cool design of a Predator. I like his armour and his gadgets, skin tone, his face and his mask, very reminiscent of Ghost.
I HATE his design. It's too generic and the mask is so uninspired. The original mask was perfect, and Wolf's mask takes something away from the integrity of the original design. Sometimes, it's hard to accept that people have their own opinions and allow them to swallow all of the trite, unimaginative, commercialized garbage Fox uses to pander to the twelve year olds that watch their films. No offense.
Maybe I should re-watch AvP-R and see if I can see what the big stink about it is all about.
I want to see for myself why so many baldies just rage about it. I know it's a flawed film, but I want to see if I can see what so many people see..
-Rakai'Thwei
It should be banished to another dimension along with all of it's fans!!!
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 09:32:18 PM
It should be banished to another dimension along with all of it's fans!!!
Ja wohlt mein furher.
-Rakai'Thwei
Indeed
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 09:40:02 PM
Indeed
Sarcasm really doesn't translate over the internet...
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2012, 09:03:05 PM
Maybe I should re-watch AvP-R and see if I can see what the big stink about it is all about.
I want to see for myself why so many baldies just rage about it. I know it's a flawed film, but I want to see if I can see what so many people see..
-Rakai'Thwei
Dude, I feel confident in saying that AVP: R is one of the worst films ever made. No exaggeration. Even if what we got happened to be what all A/P fans wanted, it would still be a terrible film. But it wasn't. It wasn't even good to us. It's an embarrassment. Don't you see that? Every copy should be burned.
Lmao... A pizza boy? A cheerleader? Smh...
*As generic pizza boy climbs down into the sewer*
Ughhhh, it's gross down here.
Worst dialogue ever.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Dude, I feel confident in saying that AVP: R is one of the worst films ever made.
Subjective and opinionated. While AvP-R is a flawed film, it's definitely not one of the worst films ever made. I could definitely name a few other films that are the worst films ever made such as Highlander II: The Quickening, Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li, Moby Dick 2010...
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Even if what we got happened to be what all A/P fans wanted, it would still be a terrible film. But it wasn't. It wasn't even good to us. It's an embarrassment.
No, what would've been an embarrassment is if we got the 1994 script for PREDATORS finalized. Again, I recognize that AvP-R is a flawed him but I am not going out of my way to defend it outright. Why? Because alot of baldies would get riled up and angry, and they will essentially ostracize people if their opinion is different from theirs. Basically, rule of thumb here is:
"If you don't follow my opinion, or follow the rest of us.. you're an idiot and a retard. Opinions are not allowed."
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Don't you see that? Every copy should be burned.
No, I don't see that because I don't share your sentiments. Again, I recognize that the film is flawed. But burning every copy out there?
Really? So the minority who actually find some enjoyment out of the film are not allowed to indulge in their guilty pleasures?
I get the feeling that differences and enjoyment of whatever people like is definitely not allowed.
-Rakai'Thwei
Flawed is an understatement, it's a joke of a movie, it is without a shadow of a doubt such a bad movie I'm amazed Eddie Murphy, Mariah Carey and Uwe Boll had nothing to do with it
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 09:55:20 PM
Flawed is an understatement, it's a joke of a movie, it is without a shadow of a doubt such a bad movie I'm amazed Eddie Murphy, Mariah Carey and Uwe Boll had nothing to do with it
Typical response.
....What does Eddie Murphy have to do with bad movie making in general? I mean sure the man has had a few bad films but not every movie he's done is bad.
The Uwe Boll point I do concur with.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Dude, I feel confident in saying that AVP: R is one of the worst films ever made.
Subjective and opinionated. While AvP-R is a flawed film, it's definitely not one of the worst films ever made. I could definitely name a few other films that are the worst films ever made such as Highlander II: The Quickening, Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li, Moby Dick 2010...
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Even if what we got happened to be what all A/P fans wanted, it would still be a terrible film. But it wasn't. It wasn't even good to us. It's an embarrassment.
No, what would've been an embarrassment is if we got the 1994 script for PREDATORS finalized. Again, I recognize that AvP-R is a flawed him but I am not going out of my way to defend it outright. Why? Because alot of baldies would get riled up and angry, and they will essentially ostracize people if their opinion is different from theirs. Basically, rule of thumb here is:
"If you don't follow my opinion, or follow the rest of us.. you're an idiot and a retard. Opinions are not allowed."
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
Don't you see that? Every copy should be burned.
No, I don't see that because I don't share your sentiments. Again, I recognize that the film is flawed. But burning every copy out there?
Really? So the minority who actually find some enjoyment out of the film are not allowed to indulge in their guilty pleasures?
I get the feeling that differences and enjoyment of whatever people like is definitely not allowed.
-Rakai'Thwei
Lol No.
You like it then you like it dude, I despise it, but thats the beauty of discussion, plus we both agree that Uwe Boll sucks so win win!! ;D
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 10:10:03 PM
You like it then you like it dude, I despise it, but thats the beauty of discussion, plus we both agree that Uwe Boll sucks so win win!! ;D
Oh, I am willing to discuss things, as long as we're civil about it.
What I don't like is how sometimes some fans here on this forum get really oppressive and force their opinion on other people is all while acting quite elitist about it.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Lol No.
Whatever.
-Rakai'Thwei
It was silly of you to point out that my opinion is opinionated.
Yes, it is my opinion.
Still, if I ruled the world, I would have every copy of this film burned and would not allow people to find enjoyment in mediocrity.
I agree about forcing opinions, but to be honest I don't see much of it on here and the fact that I still have failed to find the ability to banish things to other dimensions means you shouldn't worry.... yet! :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 12, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
He does look pretty cool -- when he is masked:
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab43/OmegaZilla95/Alien%20and%20Predator/Aliens%20Vs%20Predator%20Requiem/Wolfblade-1.jpg
It is the actual face I don't like. But the rest of the design is real nice -- which of course has no relation with the character itself.
I liked the idea for an acid-burned Predator face, but I wasn't that big a fan as to how it finally looked in the film; the Wolf models by Side Show Collectibles, etc. looked much better.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
I agree about forcing opinions, but to be honest I don't see much of it on here
There is a lot of on here on certain parts of the forum. The forcing of opinions is why I have a small contempt for the forum sometimes and it's members. Though some of them I am on friendly terms with.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 12, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
I still have failed to find the ability to banish things to other dimensions means you shouldn't worry.... yet! :D
I know you're joking but I can't help but feel as if the idea of a democracy and the allowance of opinions is negated and we should all be put under the thrall of dictatorial rule.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Apr 12, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
Still, if I ruled the world, I would have every copy of this film burned and would not allow people to find enjoyment in mediocrity.
I spoke too soon.
I suppose next certain colors that you may not like on apparel and objects should also be put to burnings similar to book bon-fires?
-Rakai'Thwei
The movie is set in COLORADO.
...COLORADO!
Do you know what my friend started quoting when the final credits rolled?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoTs-M4_RqI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoTs-M4_RqI#)
Yeah.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM
I spoke too soon.
I suppose next certain colors that you may not like on apparel and objects should also be put to burnings similar to book bon-fires?
-Rakai'Thwei
He did say if, ya know. It was said in jest.
It's one thing to say "Well, it's crap, but I still enjoy it." It's another when people insist that from an objective standpoint a bad movie is good when it can be objectively compared to other films and can without a doubt be considered sub-par.
For instance. I know a LOT of people find ID4 to be a terrible movie and cant stand it. I love it, personally. However, I can look at the film objectively and see there are some flaws in it. That's the objective half of it. Subjectively, I still enjoy it. But I won't tell other people they are wrong for hating it based on objectively bad things within it. The contrived plot, the bad characterizations, shodding editing etc, etc... Whatever it is about the film in question. Yes? :)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 12, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
He did say if, ya know. It was said in jest.
You'll have to forgive me. I just... have this contempt towards most members based on certain experiences here in the past.
I'm just trying to fight this attitude of forcing opinions on others, is all.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 12, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
It's one thing to say "Well, it's crap, but I still enjoy it." It's another when people insist that from an objective standpoint a bad movie is good when it can be objectively compared to other films and can without a doubt be considered sub-par.
Oh I know what you're saying, and in some aspects I do agree.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 12, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
For instance. I know a LOT of people find ID4 to be a terrible movie and cant stand it. I love it, personally. However, I can look at the film objectively and see there are some flaws in it. That's the objective half of it. Subjectively, I still enjoy it. But I won't tell other people they are wrong for hating it based on objectively bad things within it. The contrived plot, the bad characterizations, shodding editing etc, etc... Whatever it is about the film in question. Yes? :)
Yeah you're right about that.
I mean, I am a person who could be very easily entertained and find enjoyment in a lot of things. I mean I know that a lot of people didn't like AvP-R, but do I let that stop it from me enjoying it? No, but I sometimes feel that there is this strong sense of ostracizing of those who did for whatever reason like the film. At least on this forum, anyway.
I mean, I just watch monster movies to see monsters fight. I don't really care about the human characters, I don't really look for some deep metaphor or the meaning of life. I just want to see monsters fight.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote"If you don't follow my opinion, or follow the rest of us.. you're an idiot and a retard. Opinions are not allowed."
:laugh:
What a load of horseshit. Victim, much?
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
Quote"If you don't follow my opinion, or follow the rest of us.. you're an idiot and a retard. Opinions are not allowed."
:laugh:
What a load of horseshit. Victim, much?
It's hyperbole and exaggeration.
-Rakai'Thwei
Is that opinion or fact? 'Cos you know opinions aren't allowed and all that...
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2012, 01:24:19 AM
Is that opinion or fact? 'Cos you know opinions aren't allowed and all that...
[Snickers] Smart-ass. You know it's me just exaggerating.
-Rakai'Thwei
it shouldn't come as a surprise though.
how to expect people not to question your taste and judge you poorly, when most of the time it's inconceivable that anyone could have a positive opinion on something as widely repudiated as that? i've seen it happen with videogames and lots of other franchises too. It's not about attacking contrary opinions, it's that there is a point in which something has so few redeming qualities and has such negative impact rippling into other content that not hating it means almost dismissing the damage it caused and thus disrespecting the standards it failed to meet.
not defending religious fundie behavior here, but i don't think that people lose their shit for no reason. it's very clear why, they feel hurt that only someone enjoyed something that everyone should have been able to enjoy.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 13, 2012, 02:58:04 AM
it shouldn't come as a surprise though.
how to expect people not to question your taste and judge you poorly, when most of the time it's inconceivable that anyone could have a positive opinion on something as widely repudiated as that? i've seen it happen with videogames and lots of other franchises too. It's not about attacking contrary opinions, it's that there is a point in which something has so few redeming qualities and has such negative impact rippling into other content that not hating it means almost dismissing the damage it caused and thus disrespecting the standards it failed to meet.
not defending religious fundie behavior here, but i don't think that people lose their shit for no reason. it's very clear why, they feel hurt that only someone enjoyed something that everyone should have been able to enjoy.
All of that is extremely smart, and I totally understand what you're trying to say here. So major respect points to you there, Chupabaras. Major respect points to you.
I haven't re-watched AvP-R, as a matter of fact it's been months since I've seen all of the movies and I've seen them enough times to know most of them by heart. But I'm gonna re-watch AvP-R tonight and see why there is so much negative reaction to it. I know people have said why they didn't like but I'm going to see if I can simply see what others see, or not.
If I do see what others see, and suddenly hop on the hate bandwagon, well... I don't know... Will it cause me to outright hate the film like others? Will I see what the majority is seeing?
Hard to say.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 13, 2012, 03:09:52 AM
If I do see what others see, and suddenly hop on the hate bandwagon, well... I don't know... Will it cause me to outright hate the film like others? Will I see what the majority is seeing?
Hard to say.
-Rakai'Thwei
Watch the film.
Then take a look at
Alien &
Predator afterwards. You'll immediately see and hear the level of quality from those two movies alone that is completely absent from AVPR.
You don't even need to compare it to any of the original films. It's bad all on its own.
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 13, 2012, 04:04:51 AM
Watch the film.
Then take a look at Alien & Predator afterwards. You'll immediately see and hear the level of quality from those two movies alone that is completely absent from AVPR.
I have seen the movies enough to know them by heart.
But does it really matter what order I watch them in?
-Rakai'Thwei
What really annoyed me about AVPR, did they really have to make the characters Kelly and Molly models of Ripely and Newt?, they even made them share a similar relationship.
It was also stupid how Kelly assures Molly that, "There are no more monsters" as Ripely said to Newt.
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 15, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
It was also stupid how Kelly assures Molly that, "There are no more monsters" as Ripely said to Newt.
That was actually my only complaint about their relationship; it seemed to big a homage that was scrappily put together without much thought.
I re-watched the film last night, and while I do admit that there are some subplots which could've been done away with, I still enjoy watching the film and just don't see what everyone else does. I tried to watch the film with an objective eye and I just don't see what the big stink about it is. Never the less, there are somethings which were pointless and could've been done away with, not to mention some things could've been improved.
But here is what I found that could've been omitted or improved upon.
1) Ricky and Jesse Subplot: This is something which could've been done entirely away. Really, this subplot was something which I don't think should've been in the film. The pool scene was also something that could've been omitted.
2) PredAlien Design: This is something which I believe could've been improved upon. We've only seen a few PredAlien designs, stemming from the comics and the games-- each having different appearance from how such a creature should be depicted. However I think the PredAlien could've looked better with more a bio-mechanoid appearance and less of a Predator appearance. Also, the dreadlocks could've been omitted as well and I would've liked to seen a more Predator visage around the mouth area that closes around the entire maw area.
3) Alien Design: I will conceed that these Aliens are not the best we've gotten. As a matter of fact, the Aliens from the first Alien vs Predator looked so much more better than the ones in Requiem. They looked really disproportionate in so many ways and their heads were too thin and too shrunken down and their necks were too plump and flesh appearing. Really, they could've done better with these Aliens.
4) PredAlien Reproduction: Pointless. Absolutely pointless and done mostly for shock factor. Really, I think this could've been entirely omitted and reproduction should've been entirely done differently. Egg-morphing would've been infinitely better than the regurgitation process.
5) Alien Gestation and Growth: Something entirely unresolved since the first AvP. This could've been improved upon by actually going with the twenty four hour gestation process and growth rate.
6) One Predator: I really think that a group of Predators would've been better suited to handle the Alien infestation. Why just send one Predator? I know Wolf was supposed to be this experienced veteran but a little back up wouldn't have hurt to have incase things get too difficult as far as hunting Aliens goes.
So far that's what I found, but aside from these six reasons which make the film flawed, I still enjoy watching this movie and really don't see the need to hop on the hate bandwagon.
-Rakai'Thwei
Those six points (well five*) cover a large chunk of the film...
*- I'm not sure the gestation is a major issue this time. At least not like it was in AvP. The hunter and his kid are hugged first thing in the morning and pop late afternoon. Maybe for the later Aliens it's sped up.
I love shitty gore movies. Love 'em to death.
The problem with AVPR was/is that it is part of a franchise that is known for something far more than that. It is a mockery of what made the originals great. Zee Strause's attempt at a film is an embarrassment when compared to Ridley's /Cameron's/McTiernan's visions.
Liking AVPR? Eh I can see it. I like to watch those shitty sci-fi originals from time to time. But if you think it's a worthy addition to stand beside ALIEN, ALIENS, and PREDATOR, then you dumb son. You strait dumb.
And thats putting it lightly.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Apr 17, 2012, 07:48:57 AM
I love shitty gore movies. Love 'em to death.
That's the one thing the movie had working for it, and all I wanted was for the film to have the proper lighting and visuals so I can see it. All I saw were shadows moving in and out. It's like playing a PC video game on the lowest possible settings with 24fps, if only you could max it out it would actually been fun. But no, it's bugged and glitched.
Whoever is making these movies dark, he's still around. They almost did it with Predators, but it wasn't nearly as bad as AVP-R, thank f--king god.
Predators was not really dark with it's lighting you can easily see the action.
It's on E4 now....1st time I've seen it since the cinema....
I hate myself even more now for watching it again :s
It's...it's just appalling...
i agree with most of what you've said and i'm very conflicted, predalien and the aliens looked like crap in the movie mostly due to it being animatronics with limited "filmable" angles (the guys in the alien suits probably just had half of their bodies dressed) and that's my complaint, aliens can look terrible when it's men in suits, but also could work (alien, aliens) in this case it just didn't hold up. you only see half of the aliens most of the time...
i actually really like their original concept for the predalien but for some reason they ditched the idea....
remember watching the alien queen slowly popping it's head out, those were the moments that should of been in avpr to strengthen the predalien character, too bad they didn't try hard enough
Why did the Brothers Strause do overkill with all the homages, that had to be the biggest problem with the movie.
No it isn't. The biggest problems are unengaging script and cast, sub par special effects, and colour grading make large sections of the film unwatchable.
Over the top homages are just icing on the cake.
Quote from: SM on Apr 19, 2012, 11:18:19 PM
No it isn't. The biggest problems are unengaging script and cast, sub par special effects, and colour grading make large sections of the film unwatchable.
Over the top homages are just icing on the cake.
1.the script was crappy and not cool.
2.The cast was just bland it did not do justice for AVPR.
3.Sub-par special effects?, more like worst special effects.
4.So dark you cannot see anything.
The movie was such a big letdown.
Wellll since I skipped all of the human only parts after the first 10 minutes of watching, I rather enjoyed the film to. The people who hate it so badly must have been fans long before it came out, got disappointed big time and never discovered the fast forward button
The finale batte between Wolf and the PredAlien was very rushed.
It was like two minutes.
And should've been shorter.
Quote from: SM on Apr 22, 2012, 11:29:22 PM
And should've been shorter.
Agreed. A minute at most and wolf ignored Dallas carrying the predator handcannon. WTF! He was sent to erase all evidence of aliens and predators on Earth and he failed.
The PredAlien creating bellybursters was really lame.
Thats like from a poor fanfic or something.
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 23, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
The PredAlien creating bellybursters was really lame.
Thats like from a poor fanfic or something.
this I agree
It was different but should we even care? The scene where they burst out is only less than 10 seconds.
Bad movie making is bad movie making - even if it's for 10 seconds.
I think it is more to do with fanservice with more Predator action. I am on that boat.
I believe it is kinda guilty pleasure. You know all the flaws in the stuff, but you kinda enjoy it.
stupid film , stupid plot, stupid everything eles in the film
Even the clock was stupid.
And I know clocks.
I like AVPR and watch it whenever its on. I'll even get out of my recliner and put it in the Blu-Ray player when its not on from time to time :o.
^ ::) Of course you enjoyed the film. You're a predator fan. You people literally care nothing about quality filmaking as long as that film being made features a "badass" Predator. Lol It's kind of childish.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
^ ::) Of course you enjoyed the film. You're a predator fan. You people literally care nothing about a quality filmaking as long as that film features a "badass" Predator. Lol It's kind of childish.
Or he just simply enjoyed the movie...
Its not right to say that Predator fans don't care about quality, especially when quality is a matter of opinion. its not "childish", he just enjoyed something that the majority of us didn't. I see no problem there. I like a lot of movies that are generally disliked as well.
Lol It's not right?
I think that film quality is a rather objective thing. I'd even go so far as to say that AVP:R is an objectively bad movie. Movies are held to certain standards, Nightmare. That's why Citizen Kane is at the top of AFI's list of 100 greatest films and AVP:Poo was a Rasberry nominee for "the worst excuse for a horror movie."
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 04:35:16 PM
Lol It's not right?
I think that film quality is a rather objective thing. I'd even go so far as to say that AVP:R is an objectively bad movie. Movies are held to certain standards, Nightmare. That's why Citizen Kane is at the top of AFI's list of 100 greatest films and AVP:Poo was a Rasberry nominee for "the worst excuse for a horror movie."
I get that, Its just that different people have different standards. It doesn't make one person's opinion above the other's, it just makes them different. While I don't agree with BadBloodYautja's opinion on the movie (I personally did not like AVPR, and do not plan on watching it again), I won't hold anything against him for it. Some people enjoy it despite its flaws, and I say good for them. I'm kind of the same with
Alien Resurrection; I get that it is not as good as it should have been, but there are concepts and ideas in it that I like, and I find myself able to watch it from time to time, despite noot being close to as good as the first three.
Some people's opinions are actually held in higher regard. For instance, if someone were of the opinion that Michael Vick were the most deserving of an humanitarian award, that person would be immediately marginalized and rightly subject to criticism.
Avp:R was not just a bad movie; It was a slap in the face of true Alien and Predator fans. It was a middle finger to those of us who actually care about this franchise, and I reserve my right to criticise anyone who undermines the scrutiny this film is under. It's more than just a bad movie. It truly is. So, I don't recognize anyone's right to enjoy or celebrate this shamelessly mediocre film.
That's your prerogative. But you're expected to be respectful and courteous to other members while you're here.
Well, of course it's my prerogative.
Also, to expect me to be respectful of the other forum members is to expect me to express esteem for their worth and opinions and is, therefore, to expect me and everyone else on this forum to lie. Frankly, I'd rather not even be associated with a forum that explicitly asks me to lie to another human being. Rules of that sort seem to be indicative of cluelessness in maintaining civility in a civilized way.
Also, I don't think I was being disrespectful. I didn't call anyone's worth into question.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
Also, I don't think I was being disrespectful. I didn't call anyone's worth into question.
Right here, you pretty much did that to Predator fans:
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
^ ::) Of course you enjoyed the film. You're a predator fan. You people literally care nothing about quality filmaking as long as that film being made features a "badass" Predator. Lol It's kind of childish.
Also, being respectful isn't lying. I find that I'm being respectful to you, while being completely honest and saying that I do not agree with your thoughts. Its OK for people to think differently, and a little bit of debating often leads in to greater discussion. But when you start calling someone "childish" because of their opinions, well, then the conversation begins to become childish.
Well, then you don't understand the definition of the word.
Respect - To feel or show deferential regard for someone.
Deferential means submissive. Yielding to another's opinion. Is this what I'm being asked to do? If so, then that's an unprecedented violation of my freedom of speech - at least the idea - and you'd think that an internet forum would be at least as considerate of that freedom as more regulated forums.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
Well, then you don't understand the definition of the word.
Respect - To feel or show deferential regard for someone.
Deferential means submissive. Yielding to another's opinion. Is this what I'm being asked to do? If so, then that's an unprecedented violation of my freedom of speech - at least the idea - and you'd think that an internet forum would be at least as considerate of that freedom as more regulated forums.
It's your whole attitude on the subject that comes across at rotten. Okay, you hate the film fine but don't bash others that do which you did with this quote:
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
^ ::) Of course you enjoyed the film. You're a predator fan. You people literally care nothing about quality filmaking as long as that film being made features a "badass" Predator. Lol It's kind of childish.
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
Well, then you don't understand the definition of the word.
Respect - To feel or show deferential regard for someone.
Deferential means submissive. Yielding to another's opinion. Is this what I'm being asked to do? If so, then that's an unprecedented violation of my freedom of speech - at least the idea - and you'd think that an internet forum would be at least as considerate of that freedom as more regulated forums.
Nobody is telling you that you have to agree with everyone. No one is even telling you that you have to keep quiet about your disagreement with others. As I stated before, sometimes disagreements fuel the best of conversations. All we're saying is that you can disagree with someone and still be polite to them; insulting other forum members (calling them childish, for example), whether you agree with them or not, should not happen.
Why does everyone keep quoting that as though it's some rhetorical secret weapon. I realize I said that because I said it. It doesn't change anything. I don't think I've done anything wrong.
How could I have guessed that it wouldn't be the fellow I was talking to that would respond, but some holierthanthou goodytwoshoes quoting Hamurappi? Was what I said really such an injustice that I have a GLOBAL moderator admonishing me to tone things down? I feel like the candystore thief who was blitzed by the swat team.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 02, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: CarnalCalligraphy on Jun 02, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
Well, then you don't understand the definition of the word.
Respect - To feel or show deferential regard for someone.
Deferential means submissive. Yielding to another's opinion. Is this what I'm being asked to do? If so, then that's an unprecedented violation of my freedom of speech - at least the idea - and you'd think that an internet forum would be at least as considerate of that freedom as more regulated forums.
Nobody is telling you that you have to agree with everyone. No one is even telling you that you have to keep quiet about your disagreement with others. As I stated before, sometimes disagreements fuel the best of conversations. All we're saying is that you can disagree with someone and still be polite to them; insulting other forum members (calling them childish, for example), whether you agree with them or not, should not happen.
I called no one childish. I said that the act of liking a film because it features a BAWSE predator is childish. I honestly feel that way.
Jeez. Enough team, damn! If we can't have a decent conversation, then maybe this thread should be locked. Keep it moving.
C'mon guys, we're all friends here.
About the movie, it wasn't completely horrible, it was just my least favorite of the movies.
Personally, I liked how everything was so dark, it fit.
I just hated that the Xenomorph was made a joke... It is the perfect organism.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jun 12, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
About the movie, it wasn't completely horrible, it was just my least favorite of the movies.
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jun 12, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jun 12, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
About the movie, it wasn't completely horrible, it was just my least favorite of the movies.
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Oh it was bad, just not the worst thing I've seen in my life.
Go watch the Garbage Pail kids.
I like and hated it, if only they improved the dark scenes more, can't see a freaking thing in the cinema
I like it, but then again I normaly dont hate movies, normaly no matter how bad acting or design or story is I will still like the subject. But trust me AVPR is far from loved. I like it like I like Troll 2 its terrible but in an amuzeing way.
I'm gonna get philosophical here- in rating AVP-R
Whether or not you liked the movie IMO is a matter of "taste".
Beauty and taste are two different things.
Beauty = truth (it has per-defined Universal rules everyone can agree on)
Taste= personal preference
To me I prefer AVP-R over Prometheus because IMO both are B-movie crap not worthy of 2/5 each.
If I were to say to an artsy person who looks for beauty in cinema I'd recommend ALIEN* (*heck they still gets played in my local swanky art-house cinema- is being preserved as a Cinematic classic and appeals to H R Giger fans).
But I'm sure there are some low hanging fruit who would say AVP-R is better than ALIEN because they prefer high RPM low IQ flicks or find ALIEN boring. They are in the minority though.
As for Prometheus the reason there is so many intense arguments over that film is because some people say its art (has universal beauty, appeal and aesthetics) whereas I put it in the same bracket as AVP-R
I'll just say that movies like AVP but especially Requiem, I think, are taken FAR too seriously than needed. I regard them as B movie camp fliks. I don't put them on the same serious level of the Alien/Predator films. And just for sh!ts and giggles, I can't help but imagine extreme haters of AVP as being a Douchey McNitpick.
Spoiler
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Yes, the movie has a LOT of flaws. I wouldn't personally say that Requiem is a GOOD film. But regardless, critics and fans constantly nitpick everything about AVPR to death just as much as AVP, and honestly, I think they judge it a little too unfairly. And if they want to do that, let them be.
It's nitpicked because it is a crime to film and an insult to two Cinematic Icons
and most of all, its dogsh*t
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
It's nitpicked because it is a crime to film and an insult to two Cinematic Icons
and most of all, its dogsh*t
*shrugs*
I could name a LOT of worse films. And in my book, AVP and Requiem doesn't come near them.
But hey, whatever dude. Haters gonna hate. To each their own.
Edit: Good movies can be nitpicked on too, y'know. ;)
Glitter,
Transformers,
Anything by Uwe Boll,
There is far worse out there dude ;D
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Anything by Uwe Boll,
THAT I can definitely agree with you. :D
AVPR is bad, but it does bring some great stuff to the table. I like the Predator's new gadgets such as the Whip and mines.
Quote from: Charles Xavier on Jun 25, 2012, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 25, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Anything by Uwe Boll,
THAT I can definitely agree with you. :D
I still shudder at the thought of Alone in the Dark
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 25, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
AVPR is bad, but it does bring some great stuff to the table. I like the Predator's new gadgets such as the Whip and mines.
yeah, it was very partial to predators.
The only thing I liked was Wolf's biohelmet.
I really enjoyed AVPR as well although I am aware of it's flaws. One thing that may have helped character development was figuring out why Dallas went to prison in the first place and why he didn't regret doing what he did. Would have liked to find out more about that and probably would have made people care more. Like many have said it was to dark literally for some reason, so that is an annoying problem. I love slasher flicks but I did not think it fit with these characters and the franchises as a whole. The acting by the human characters were also pretty dull.
Some of the highlights that came out of it for me that made me enjoy the film were of course Wolf! Great design, loved the veteran Predator character. The fight scenes were exciting although the Aliens were not done the best. The final fight was pretty good as well. It also introduced new Predator technology that we haven't seen on film before. I liked the whip, those laser mines he used in the sewers or whatever they were. Those are the main reasons why we should all enjoy this film but I understand why the problems may have been to much for some.