Title: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:38:34 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:38:34 AM
Thanks to another anonymous reader I’ve now got three new Prometheus set pictures for you feast your eyes on:
This airlock looks a lot like the exterior of the Nostromo airlock and at the top of the piece you can see a logo that looks like a cross between the W-Y logo from Aliens and the bird wings logo of Alien. The other two pictures show the cavern entrance but fully closed, you can see the hieroglyphs on the door and the landing leg from the promotional image. You can see the rest here!
These second set comes from a not-so anonymous reader, C.Reux, who found these location pictures on an Icelandic forum. These pictures show the location that was previously photoed and erroneously reported as shots from the movie. You can view them here.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
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Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:40:08 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:40:08 AM
Images removed at request of Fox.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
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Weyland logo ooh
EDIT: PANDA, Hook us up again with that logo you did a month ago or so
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: x-M-x on Oct 08, 2011, 09:54:01 AM
Post by: x-M-x on Oct 08, 2011, 09:54:01 AM
Sick,
GIVE US A TRAILER GOD DAMMIT
:o
GIVE US A TRAILER GOD DAMMIT
:o
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Welshwilderbeast on Oct 08, 2011, 09:56:01 AM
Post by: Welshwilderbeast on Oct 08, 2011, 09:56:01 AM
Oh waw looks awesome still haven't completely understood what Prometheus is though. Is it a prequel to alien will it involve xeno's?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Keyes on Oct 08, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Post by: Keyes on Oct 08, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Nobody really knows what Prometheus is, but it will almost certainly feature the Space Jockey. Consider that your connection to Alien for now, and if we get anything else it's a bonus :)
It looks like there is writing beneath the logo, possibly spelling out Weylan(d)-Yutani when you zoom up on it... can anyone make it clearer?
It looks like there is writing beneath the logo, possibly spelling out Weylan(d)-Yutani when you zoom up on it... can anyone make it clearer?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 09:59:27 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: Welshwilderbeast on Oct 08, 2011, 09:56:01 AM
Is it a prequel to alien will it involve xeno's?
I'd say with 99.99% certainty it's a prequel.
Xeno's... probably.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
I don't get it. Why don't these guys just hire Industrial Light and Magic to render all of their props in CGI? It seems a little dated and too much work altogether to build set pieces like this in 2011.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 10:14:16 AM
The only thing I see remotely wasteful is the cavern enterance -- the scale could be a bit smaller like the hive set in Aliens. But Ridley made it a point to go old school whenever possible.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
I don't get it. Why don't these guys just hire Industrial Light and Magic to render all of their props in CGI? It seems a little dated and too much work altogether to build set pieces like this in 2011.
Because Ridley is a craftsman.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SHREK on Oct 08, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
Post by: SHREK on Oct 08, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
I dont really know much about the movie, it may sound like a dumb question. But will there actually be Xenomorphs in this film? or is it sometihng completely different and not have aliens in (xeno aliens) ? thanks
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Keyes on Oct 08, 2011, 10:25:27 AM
Post by: Keyes on Oct 08, 2011, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
I don't get it. Why don't these guys just hire Industrial Light and Magic to render all of their props in CGI? It seems a little dated and too much work altogether to build set pieces like this in 2011.
NOTHING beats film work being done pratically. Nothing. Dated you say? Maybe my house should have been built out of CGI too! :laugh:
The guys who build the props, models and sets etc do so because they love it. It's the craftmanship. My Dad works at a carpenter... many people love things done traditionally, and Ridley is one of them. And thank god I say.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: SHREK on Oct 08, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
I dont really know much about the movie, it may sound like a dumb question. But will there actually be Xenomorphs in this film? or is it sometihng completely different and not have aliens in (xeno aliens) ? thanks
No one knows. They've done a fairly good job of keeping it under wraps.
Although from what we've seen, it's got more than a passing link.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:41:51 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 08, 2011, 10:41:51 AM
I wasn't offended mate :laugh:
I don't see how you can call it a mistake when we've seen literally f**k all of the film though.
I don't see how you can call it a mistake when we've seen literally f**k all of the film though.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Wwarez on Oct 08, 2011, 10:50:33 AM
Post by: Wwarez on Oct 08, 2011, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AMf
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
I really want to offend you with mine. The Star Wars Ep 1-3 looked like god damn cartoons, especially 2-3, where every set was made with green screen. Actors have a hard time working with environments like that, just look at the wooden acting in these films.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
CGI is a tool. first and foremost...It's not something you automatically 'go-to', just for the sake of 'using CGI'.
The BEST directors know the palette they wish to use on their film...they know which to use, which to combine; much like ALL great artists.
Ridley KNOWS...
The BEST directors know the palette they wish to use on their film...they know which to use, which to combine; much like ALL great artists.
Ridley KNOWS...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AMlawl
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Feral_PRED on Oct 08, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
Post by: Feral_PRED on Oct 08, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2011, 09:39:19 AMThese are huge sets.
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Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:32:34 AM
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
There's a lot more to a movie than just effects mate. Look at Avatar, considered one of the greatest movies ever made, it was almost entirely CGI but it had a story that kept you hooked.
Personally I like seeing something real on screen. In my opinion that's what made the original Star Wars trilogy great, you could tell that the actors were on a physical set and you could see them interact with that set in a realistic way. I'm not saying CGI is bad, but personally I love that Ridley is using physical sets where possible.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Oct 08, 2011, 11:44:09 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Oct 08, 2011, 11:44:09 AM
If there any proof that they are using miniatures or CG, anyway? I guess the later would be more likely this day in age...as long as its not over the top zooming and explosions, I want a sloth of a ship.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I LOVE Star Wars, but to be honest, CGI still can't beat real build set, although Avatar made a huge leap concerning of reality of CGI.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:50:49 AM
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I LOVE Star Wars, but to be honest, CGI still can't beat real build set, although Avatar made a huge leap concerning of reality of CGI.
There's no doubt about that.
But with a movie like this, a movie that's set in space, you're going to see a plethora of CGI shots; exterior hull shots, other planets, etc... Personally I would like to see as many physical sets as possible.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 12:05:15 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 12:05:15 PM
Quote from: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:50:49 AMQuote from: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I LOVE Star Wars, but to be honest, CGI still can't beat real build set, although Avatar made a huge leap concerning of reality of CGI.
There's no doubt about that.
But with a movie like this, a movie that's set in space, you're going to see a plethora of CGI shots; exterior hull shots, other planets, etc... Personally I would like to see as many physical sets as possible.
'Moon' would tend to disagree with you...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 12:08:16 PM
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 12:05:15 PM"Moon" ???Quote from: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:50:49 AMQuote from: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I LOVE Star Wars, but to be honest, CGI still can't beat real build set, although Avatar made a huge leap concerning of reality of CGI.
There's no doubt about that.
But with a movie like this, a movie that's set in space, you're going to see a plethora of CGI shots; exterior hull shots, other planets, etc... Personally I would like to see as many physical sets as possible.
'Moon' would tend to disagree with you...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Look into my eye on Oct 08, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
Post by: Look into my eye on Oct 08, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Attn Studio Execs: You're Delusional, and Your CGI SUCKS.
Posted By MrDisgusting October 6, 2011 @ 2:05pm
Dear Hollywood Executive,
Your CGI sucks. You're delusional to think that it doesn't. And don't deny it, because I know damn well that most of you use it because it's "easier".
Nowadays, video game graphics look better than the crap you use in your movies. Just to put it in perspective for you, most game graphics even look better than James Cameron's $500 million Avatar. Your average movie rarely tops $50 million. Think about that.
Using CGI to clean up "problematic" practical effects or for very miner touch-ups is acceptable, maybe even applicable, but should only be used in the case of an emergency. (Don't break that glass unless you have to.)
The use of CGI has hit an all time low this summer, especially after witnessing DreamWorks cover up KNB's work in Fright Night 3D. Not only does it look like absolute sh*t, but it's already dated. Have you guys heard the public wisecracking about how the Phantom Menace and the other two Star Wars prequels are already more dated than the original trilogy? They're right, and it's true, which is the most bold piece of evidence to your CGI sucking. Also, see the theatrical ending to Paranormal Activity, I Am Legend, Van Helsing, A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Final Destination, Super 8, Season of the Witch, Skyline, Case 39, the attack scene in Let Me In and much, much more.
Look at the past 50 years of film. Practical effects look real, while the majority of CGI work looks like a video game. The fact that practical work is physical also gives the actors something to react to on set and looks way better on screen. It affects nearly all facets of a production. Foreign filmmakers apparently "get it" as they've delivered some of the only new horror masterpieces that range from Inside to Martyrs, Frontier(s), [REC], [REC]2 and High Tension.
I've just about had it with this crap. The blatant and lazy approach to filmmaking is a disgrace to everyone who put their hearts and souls into making a movie. It's time to dial it back, it's time to stop trying to make everything "epic" and "over the top." If you and your production crew can't figure out how to do something as simple as vampire teeth, with physical products, I think you shouldn't even waste your time.
But I digress. CGI can be cool (see Jurassic Park), but it's being overused. Calm the f*ck down, take a look in the mirror and reflect on what you're doing. You're creating a product and what you're selling is cheap garbage that's going to leave the buyer feeling ripped off. At least pretend that you give a hoot about what we think...
Love, Sincerely, Your BFF, XOXO,
Mr. Disgusting
From another site which sums it up for me.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Berserker Pred on Oct 08, 2011, 12:38:50 PM
Post by: Berserker Pred on Oct 08, 2011, 12:38:50 PM
Cool :)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
It's unbelievably refreshing that there is a big budget movie coming out that has an emphasis on real sets and not CGI. I don't doubt though that there will be a lot of post digital work done though.
That Ash guy simply has poor taste and a very low expectational bar of quality. Star Wars 1-3 looks awful. I saw some of Revenge of the Sith a few years after it came out and couldn't get over how bad it looked and how quickly the cgi had dated. It was simply never particularly good to begin with.
I think directors like Guillermo del Torro have the right idea. To use physical props/sets/make up enhanced with cgi.
The irony of CGI is that the early 90's stuff still looks better. Jurassic Park, Terminator 2. You know they are CGI but there is something "warmer" about them. Can't put my finger on it. I think those guys just knew how to light scenes better for CGI.
That Ash guy simply has poor taste and a very low expectational bar of quality. Star Wars 1-3 looks awful. I saw some of Revenge of the Sith a few years after it came out and couldn't get over how bad it looked and how quickly the cgi had dated. It was simply never particularly good to begin with.
I think directors like Guillermo del Torro have the right idea. To use physical props/sets/make up enhanced with cgi.
The irony of CGI is that the early 90's stuff still looks better. Jurassic Park, Terminator 2. You know they are CGI but there is something "warmer" about them. Can't put my finger on it. I think those guys just knew how to light scenes better for CGI.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 01:03:57 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Oct 08, 2011, 12:43:55 PMThere's about 40-60 seconds of CG in T2 in total; the majority of the effects are actually practical. Ditto fro JP - tons of practical effects. It was an ideal balance.
The irony of CGI is that the early 90's stuff still looks better. Jurassic Park, Terminator 2. You know they are CGI but there is something "warmer" about them. Can't put my finger on it. I think those guys just knew how to light scenes better for CGI.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 01:14:09 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 01:14:09 PM
No mention of how awesome CGI can look if used properly.......LOTR but mostly....yeah, it's pretty bad. George Lucas set the bar pretty low, perhaps one of the laziest filmmakers out there.
Practical sets....practical effects!!!
Practical sets....practical effects!!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 01:16:35 PM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 08, 2011, 01:16:35 PM
Practical FX has been around for how many years?
Full-scale CGI for how many?
We can't ever run unless we try to take those first few baby steps.
Full-scale CGI for how many?
We can't ever run unless we try to take those first few baby steps.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 08, 2011, 02:07:48 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 08, 2011, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 12:08:16 PMQuote from: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 12:05:15 PM"Moon" ???Quote from: Self-Destruct on Oct 08, 2011, 11:50:49 AMQuote from: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
I LOVE Star Wars, but to be honest, CGI still can't beat real build set, although Avatar made a huge leap concerning of reality of CGI.
There's no doubt about that.
But with a movie like this, a movie that's set in space, you're going to see a plethora of CGI shots; exterior hull shots, other planets, etc... Personally I would like to see as many physical sets as possible.
'Moon' would tend to disagree with you...
The Duncan Jones film Moon. If you haven't seen it, I would highly recommend it.
Anyways, about the photos: Weyland logo, squeeee! Loving all the set pics so far. Really great stuff!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 08, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 08, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Wow, you couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. You used Star Wars 1-3 as an example for how CGI can be put to good use?! This leads me to believe that you're either blind, or that you're George Lucas himself! Also, there was only one CGI shot in Alien 3 (the alien's head cracking at the end), the rest was a rod puppet. Seriously, people like yourself make me despair for the film industry. I only pray that you don't work within that industry.
In summary, this is my reaction to your uninformed ramblings... >:( ::) :'(
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
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I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 08, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 08, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
George.. is that you? :laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 03:00:06 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 03:00:06 PM
Hello everyone
Spoiler
If the images are removed there is another place (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=37748.0) on this forum where you can always find them along with all of the other set photos released in the past months.
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Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Marr on Oct 08, 2011, 03:03:24 PM
Post by: Marr on Oct 08, 2011, 03:03:24 PM
Er but Star Wars episodes1-3 were a complete CGI filled mess. Now (original release) episodes 4-6.....now your talking...no CGI there...
Amazed but very pleased that we are getting a big summer film with almost lost art of practical effects & sets etc. Hope other people take note.
Amazed but very pleased that we are getting a big summer film with almost lost art of practical effects & sets etc. Hope other people take note.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Highland on Oct 08, 2011, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: Highland on Oct 08, 2011, 03:19:10 PM
mmm, I'd have to disagree with everyone then.
The CGI in Revenge of the Sith is for the most part, exceptional. It has some dodgy moments for sure, usually involving the over exaggerated movement of a Jedi or organic life form. It's easily one of the best films in recent times as far as image quality, sound and special effects go.
The practical effects in the original Star Wars are also exceptional and hold up well, but let's not kid ourselves on here.
A blend of CGI and practical effects obviously offers the best of both worlds. There are some scene's which have to be used with CGI if the director wants his vision to be portrayed on screen, they just can't been done otherwise.
The CGI in Revenge of the Sith is for the most part, exceptional. It has some dodgy moments for sure, usually involving the over exaggerated movement of a Jedi or organic life form. It's easily one of the best films in recent times as far as image quality, sound and special effects go.
The practical effects in the original Star Wars are also exceptional and hold up well, but let's not kid ourselves on here.
A blend of CGI and practical effects obviously offers the best of both worlds. There are some scene's which have to be used with CGI if the director wants his vision to be portrayed on screen, they just can't been done otherwise.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
I see all the points you are making...but idk, I'm still having a hard time thinking that the stress of physical set design, the waste of raw materials to build them, and the space used to house all of it is really worth it in a final product.
I watched Alien again last night and was amazed about how bad it looked when Ripley shot the creature out of the airlock of the Narcissus. It was so obvious that it was a man in a suit. I think that if Ridley had access to CGI tech back in 1979, that wouldn't have been a problem and it would've looked more convincing. When the director's cut came out a part of me hoped he would've addressed this problem and the effect would've been cleaned up or the outer shot of the creature being blasted out of the Narcissus would've been reredered in CGI completely.
As for the huge sets that were originally photographed for this thread...I'm still asking myself "why?" It can all be done for less and with less today. And maybe Ridley could've gotten the 'R' rating he wanted if the film cost was less that the reported $150 million...but instead he had to go and insist on making this film the more expensive way. No way FOX would've given him an R rated movie for $150mil when their bottom line is about money rather than artistic integrity (at that cost anyway). It seems he got the sets he wanted but he had to compromise the rating he wished for to get it.
...and I'm not sure what sort of an Alien film would be better; the one with hand built sets thats rated PG-13 or the one that costs less with CGI and would be rated 'R'. I guess we will all just have to wait and see the film to discover the value of all of this for ourselves.
I watched Alien again last night and was amazed about how bad it looked when Ripley shot the creature out of the airlock of the Narcissus. It was so obvious that it was a man in a suit. I think that if Ridley had access to CGI tech back in 1979, that wouldn't have been a problem and it would've looked more convincing. When the director's cut came out a part of me hoped he would've addressed this problem and the effect would've been cleaned up or the outer shot of the creature being blasted out of the Narcissus would've been reredered in CGI completely.
As for the huge sets that were originally photographed for this thread...I'm still asking myself "why?" It can all be done for less and with less today. And maybe Ridley could've gotten the 'R' rating he wanted if the film cost was less that the reported $150 million...but instead he had to go and insist on making this film the more expensive way. No way FOX would've given him an R rated movie for $150mil when their bottom line is about money rather than artistic integrity (at that cost anyway). It seems he got the sets he wanted but he had to compromise the rating he wished for to get it.
...and I'm not sure what sort of an Alien film would be better; the one with hand built sets thats rated PG-13 or the one that costs less with CGI and would be rated 'R'. I guess we will all just have to wait and see the film to discover the value of all of this for ourselves.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 01:14:09 PM
No mention of how awesome CGI can look if used properly.......LOTR but mostly....yeah, it's pretty bad. George Lucas set the bar pretty low, perhaps one of the laziest filmmakers out there.
Practical sets....practical effects!!!
I don't really like the LOTR CGI either. All those movies just look like big dirty CGI f**kfest's to me. I've been to a few of the shooting locations of LOTR's and they shot in really really mundane locations and then did everything in post. They kind of started a trend with it in terms of fixing things in post such as lighting, backgrounds, clouds etc. On another note I find Peter Jackson's films pretty boring. Brain Dead is great fun though.
Maybe it has to do with what I saw in my formative years, but there is a magic in the matte, and it's been lost.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Oct 08, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
George.. is that you? :laugh:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.chud.com%2F0%2F0e%2F350x700px-LL-0e50f818_g32ou23ne5.jpeg&hash=366f3fc5fba88d574935abc774492ad4ddb1ca97)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Oct 08, 2011, 03:21:32 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 01:14:09 PM
No mention of how awesome CGI can look if used properly.......LOTR but mostly....yeah, it's pretty bad. George Lucas set the bar pretty low, perhaps one of the laziest filmmakers out there.
Practical sets....practical effects!!!
I don't really like the LOTR CGI either. All those movies just look like big dirty CGI f**kfest's to me. I've been to a few of the shooting locations of LOTR's and they shot in really really mundane locations and then did everything in post. They kind of started a trend with it in terms of fixing things in post such as lighting, backgrounds, clouds etc. On another note I find Peter Jackson's films pretty boring. Brain Dead is great fun though.
Maybe it has to do with what I saw in my formative years, but there is a magic in the matte, and it's been lost.
I humbly respect your opinion, and I personally disagree with it. Strongly.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Highland on Oct 08, 2011, 03:23:55 PM
Post by: Highland on Oct 08, 2011, 03:23:55 PM
@ Ash 937
Although I don't agree with your entire post, I also highlighted the need for making a giant landing leg when the first set of images hit. It doesn't make much sense, although this may be piece that's used several times.
It may not even be what we think it is.
Although I don't agree with your entire post, I also highlighted the need for making a giant landing leg when the first set of images hit. It doesn't make much sense, although this may be piece that's used several times.
It may not even be what we think it is.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
What have CGI sets got to do with the rating of a film??!!??
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:27:05 PM
What have CGI sets got to do with the rating of a film??!!??
I think his point was that if they used more CGI over physical sets then the budget would be lower thus giving more flexibilty with the age rating due to the lower investment by Fox.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
Then he's an idiot.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 08, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 08, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Its pretty simple. The best film makers know that if you can shoot it live, shoot it live. Practical fx and sets are infinitely better than cg. I am a cg artist and I know the work that goes into it, but have no illusion, it IS the easy and lazy way out for film makers.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
That comment, about using CG effects was pretty misinformed to say the least. I restrain myself from saying more.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ja on Oct 08, 2011, 04:19:13 PM
Post by: Ja on Oct 08, 2011, 04:19:13 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech. I think a lot of fans of the Alien movies don't trust CGI because they had a bad experience with the way things looked in Alien3...but that was 20 years ago and technology has come so far since then. I thin FOX should have insisted on using Industrial Light and Magic to make this film...but since they didn't, I guess we can just file this one under the long list of mistakes that FOX has made with this franchise since the 1990's.
Ash 937 i recommend watching these reviews first:
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/ (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/)
before making any controversial statements like "if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech"
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 04:22:22 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 04:22:22 PM
Im interested to know the viewpoint of kids who were brought up on CGI movies. Where it's exclusively a normality.
Even stuff that I saw when I was 12 such as Independence Day had a lot of practical FX, such as when the ship blows up the first city. Jumanji in retrospect has awful CGI.
I'm just wondering if kids growing up now have older brothers like I had that put them onto cool stuff like Alien, Blade Runner, Star Wars, Indiana Jones trilogy etc.
Even stuff that I saw when I was 12 such as Independence Day had a lot of practical FX, such as when the ship blows up the first city. Jumanji in retrospect has awful CGI.
I'm just wondering if kids growing up now have older brothers like I had that put them onto cool stuff like Alien, Blade Runner, Star Wars, Indiana Jones trilogy etc.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 04:41:21 PM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 04:41:21 PM
I'm not sure, but it KINDA looks like it says 'Weyland' underneath the symbol.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 04:46:32 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 08, 2011, 04:46:32 PM
I really think that logo is for the Yutani Corporation:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Favp%2Fimages%2F1%2F1e%2FWeyland-Yutani_Corp._Logo.gif&hash=2ed3a8a7337725db4ca36d34db616d02b9ae60d7)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Favp%2Fimages%2F1%2F1e%2FWeyland-Yutani_Corp._Logo.gif&hash=2ed3a8a7337725db4ca36d34db616d02b9ae60d7)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
when you say 'Yutani' do ya mean Weyland - Yutani aye? or just the Yutani side of the corporation? the insignia looks almost eaxctly the same, it has got to be the same company. perhaps the characters won't ever mention the company's name in the film but the insignia will be placed here and there on the ship.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 08, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 08, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
Why did this become about CGI vs practical? ???
Each is a tool with its own uses and place; you just have to know when to use them.
ANYWAYS, I'm liking these sets. Even if they are just tiny bits and pieces, the general look and feel seems to be going in the right direction.
Each is a tool with its own uses and place; you just have to know when to use them.
ANYWAYS, I'm liking these sets. Even if they are just tiny bits and pieces, the general look and feel seems to be going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Oct 08, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Oct 08, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
Quote
EDIT: PANDA, Hook us up again with that logo you did a month ago or so
Uhm, i think the original image is pretty obvious...but as you wish:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F666kb.com%2Fi%2Fbxmgbljrh2alrgvy8.png&hash=b6e6c9ba62753ce5d3a486fa60ac89962b096846)
greetings
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Oct 08, 2011, 04:56:49 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Oct 08, 2011, 04:56:49 PM
Ridley has gone on the record saying the film concerns only one side of the company ('Weyland' or 'Yutani', can't remember which).
He's also gone on record saying that practical construction isn't costing any more than CGI would have.
Don't have the links handy, though, so feel free to attack. :laugh:
He's also gone on record saying that practical construction isn't costing any more than CGI would have.
Don't have the links handy, though, so feel free to attack. :laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Oct 08, 2011, 05:01:23 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Oct 08, 2011, 05:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
I don't get it. Why don't these guys just hire Industrial Light and Magic to render all of their props in CGI? It seems a little dated and too much work altogether to build set pieces like this in 2011.
CGI is an "effect" as previously stated. Built sets are a reality...and when filmed that is apparent. ;) IMHO.:)
Also this looks like Iceland? I believe where Ridley & Naomi were interviewed back around ComicCon.
Thanks Corporal Hicks! These are Great!
cheers,
D
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
I think Ridley said it's Weylan. Not to be presumptuous but one of the asian cast members might lead to the beginning's of Yutani.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Yea I def recall Ridley saying something maybe a year or two ago about how "They go see weyland" to discuss terraforming or something like that.
E D I T -
Found this on mtv, an interview with Ridley last year.
MTV: And is the Weyland-Yutani company in existence at this point?
Scott: It's Weyland. Weyland hasn't joined Yutani yet, so they go and see Weyland. [The film] is about the discussion of terraforming — taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life.
Here's the link for the full interview
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml)
E D I T -
Found this on mtv, an interview with Ridley last year.
MTV: And is the Weyland-Yutani company in existence at this point?
Scott: It's Weyland. Weyland hasn't joined Yutani yet, so they go and see Weyland. [The film] is about the discussion of terraforming — taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life.
Here's the link for the full interview
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1637638/exclusive-ridley-scott-reveals-alien-prequel-details.jhtml)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 05:11:08 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Yea I def recall Ridley saying something maybe a year or two ago about how "They go see weyland" to discuss terraforming or something like that.
That's what he said.
So anyone want to guess how Yutani comes into the mix?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 05:39:13 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Oct 08, 2011, 05:11:08 PMQuote from: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Yea I def recall Ridley saying something maybe a year or two ago about how "They go see weyland" to discuss terraforming or something like that.
That's what he said.
So anyone want to guess how Yutani comes into the mix?
MAYBE...Prometheus has the answer...or not.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 08, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 08, 2011, 05:39:13 PMQuote from: tmjhur on Oct 08, 2011, 05:11:08 PMQuote from: BonesawT101 on Oct 08, 2011, 05:07:37 PM
Yea I def recall Ridley saying something maybe a year or two ago about how "They go see weyland" to discuss terraforming or something like that.
That's what he said.
So anyone want to guess how Yutani comes into the mix?
MAYBE...Prometheus has the answer...or not.
I'm going to be presumptuous and narrow minded and go with this guy being a link http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0938950/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0938950/)
Then again, I could be Wong (sorry it was irresistible).
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 08, 2011, 07:56:47 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 08, 2011, 07:56:47 PM
I'm liking the new images a lot. I don't see the whole bitching about CG since Avatar, Peter Jackson's King Kong, Transformers, Jurassic Park, Iron Man and many other movies use heavy CGI that looks excellent.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 08, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Oct 08, 2011, 07:56:47 PMJP and Iron Man used a lot of practical effects, Transformers has repeatedly been called soulless. Avatar is a good point, though it's really the exception at this point. I can't comment on Kong, it's been a long time.
I'm liking the new images a lot. I don't see the whole bitching about CG since Avatar, Peter Jackson's King Kong, Transformers, Jurassic Park, Iron Man and many other movies use heavy CGI that looks excellent.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
Post by: Zenzucht on Oct 08, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
WETA (who did CGI for Avatar and recently for Rise of the Planet of the Apes) is doing extremely good almost-live looking job. They have some serious know-how at the basement :)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Oct 08, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Oct 08, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
I have no gripe with the effects of Star Wars I-III... I've never seen a giant praying space-mantis, so I'll take it on faith that Lucas et al have nailed it and the other things contained in those films.
But it's been proven time and again that excessive use of green screen stages negatively affects the performance of the actors, and the actors make the film. That's it.
My hat's off to Ridley for going the practical route.
But it's been proven time and again that excessive use of green screen stages negatively affects the performance of the actors, and the actors make the film. That's it.
My hat's off to Ridley for going the practical route.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: genocyber on Oct 08, 2011, 10:05:09 PM
Post by: genocyber on Oct 08, 2011, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AMKeep telling yourself that. I'll take puppets and props over videogame CG
I don't mean to offend anyone with my comment. I'm just pointing out that this whole film can be done more practically and efficiently with today's technology. The guys who do CGI are also craftsmen in their own right...and if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 10:12:08 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 10:12:08 PM
The problem isn't the cgi in and of itself...it's the people using it. Has anyone here ever listened to the commentary for Star Wars Episode One? You should hear how technical it is. They talk about how they comped in actors shot by themselves and composited them into scenes that featured a larger group of actors. Some of these scenes were fairly intimate settings as well.
People like Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, and James Cameron that story trumps effects every time. What makes Star Wars weak, is poor story telling in conjunctio with HEAVY CGI use. The films seem hollow because they are hollow, and in context of a poor story, computer imagery ends up sinking the ship, not saving it. There was also heavy CG in the LOTR films, but it was nearly perfect in execution and accented the scenes, not filled them. I still contest that Gollum is the best CG creation I've ever seen, and next are the Avatar creations. Never before have I emotionally invested in CG characters (Dobby from HP rocks too) except when I watch those films.
Lucas relied upon the computer to paint a story, as opposed to relying a upon the a good story to tell itself, and sparingly using CG here and there. Unlike Cameron and Jackson and others, Lucas contribution gets worse over time.
People like Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, and James Cameron that story trumps effects every time. What makes Star Wars weak, is poor story telling in conjunctio with HEAVY CGI use. The films seem hollow because they are hollow, and in context of a poor story, computer imagery ends up sinking the ship, not saving it. There was also heavy CG in the LOTR films, but it was nearly perfect in execution and accented the scenes, not filled them. I still contest that Gollum is the best CG creation I've ever seen, and next are the Avatar creations. Never before have I emotionally invested in CG characters (Dobby from HP rocks too) except when I watch those films.
Lucas relied upon the computer to paint a story, as opposed to relying a upon the a good story to tell itself, and sparingly using CG here and there. Unlike Cameron and Jackson and others, Lucas contribution gets worse over time.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 08, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 08, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
My 2 cents on star wars 1 through 3, laughable.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien1 on Oct 08, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
Post by: Alien1 on Oct 08, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
This is Def. an Alien movie.... there are lots of evidence so far...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SiL on Oct 09, 2011, 01:03:49 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 09, 2011, 01:03:49 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 10:12:08 PMJust ... no.
People like Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, and James Cameron that story trumps effects every time.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 09, 2011, 01:08:39 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 09, 2011, 01:08:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2011, 01:03:49 AMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 08, 2011, 10:12:08 PMJust ... no.
People like Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, and James Cameron that story trumps effects every time.
Agreed. I wouldn't have thought that anyone could have said that Avatar favoured story above effects.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 09, 2011, 01:20:31 AM
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 09, 2011, 01:20:31 AM
Scott's a seasoned film maker, he knows his stuff. I'm sure whatever rout he decides to go with will play out well.
My preference remains though, I would rather see physical sets and practical effects.
My preference remains though, I would rather see physical sets and practical effects.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: APC DRIVER on Oct 09, 2011, 02:23:49 AM
Post by: APC DRIVER on Oct 09, 2011, 02:23:49 AM
Building those huge sets is what will give the film the look and feel of the original CGI does have its uses but if you can point out something is CGI in a movie it kind of takes away from something I like the old school look and feel.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: cmdcnqr on Oct 09, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
Post by: cmdcnqr on Oct 09, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
Yeah good idea: let's CGI this movie until it looks like every other cartooney CGI overdone movie done these days. Sorry to be rude, but what and idiotic statement. Obviously YOu've never heard of Ridley Scott, nor do you understand his craft.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 09, 2011, 02:59:50 AM
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 09, 2011, 02:59:50 AM
He's a seasoned film maker who preferred the idea of making a movie based on Monopoly to a movie based on.... Halo.
The man aint perfect.. that's all i'm saying.
;)
The man aint perfect.. that's all i'm saying.
;)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Federick Gonsa on Oct 09, 2011, 03:05:42 AM
Post by: Federick Gonsa on Oct 09, 2011, 03:05:42 AM
Cant see the pictures... :( Is there other way/place I can see them?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 09, 2011, 03:08:39 AM
Post by: Self-Destruct on Oct 09, 2011, 03:08:39 AM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Oct 09, 2011, 02:59:50 AM
He's a seasoned film maker who preferred the idea of making a movie based on Monopoly to a movie based on.... Halo.
The man aint perfect.. that's all i'm saying.
;)
I'm going to go beat my head into a wall...I don't know when I'll stop.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 09, 2011, 03:09:31 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 09, 2011, 03:09:31 AM
I like it when its pratical effects with some Cg added to make them look better.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 04:12:08 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 04:12:08 AM
CG is not bad if it does not over shadow the story and characters. Like in The Scorpion King (2002) and Van Helsing (2004) for example. Or if lacks any good heart harming spirit like in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005).
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 09, 2011, 04:29:46 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 09, 2011, 04:29:46 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Oct 08, 2011, 04:54:38 PMPretty spot on, thanks
...
Weylan-Yutani logo in Alien, taken from Valaquen's site:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDjjly.jpg&hash=e44831ced1cd5e4bbfea9522ee5f6a0e48758412)
Panda's rendition of logo found on Prometheus vehicle:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F666kb.com%2Fi%2Fbxmgbljrh2alrgvy8.png&hash=b6e6c9ba62753ce5d3a486fa60ac89962b096846)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Fujimaster on Oct 09, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
Post by: Fujimaster on Oct 09, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
Cant see the pictures on page 1 :(
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 09, 2011, 05:37:30 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 09, 2011, 05:37:30 AM
Quote from: Fujimaster on Oct 09, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
Cant see the pictures on page 1 :(
As always... check the Prometheus news timeline thread, where all of the leaked photos are archived. There's a reason that thread asks people to check there before posting!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
My Avatar has gone but the images are still showing up for me now.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 09, 2011, 09:45:51 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 09, 2011, 09:45:51 AM
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...of OHCRAPf**k THIS IS AMAZING.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
Right I'm gonna remove them shortly so beware.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Infected on Oct 09, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
Post by: Infected on Oct 09, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
Two ships? P4 is probably the Prometheus vessel.
And the yellow grey thing with the Weyland logo on it i dont know what it is but probably the vessel from the lesser good guys?
And the yellow grey thing with the Weyland logo on it i dont know what it is but probably the vessel from the lesser good guys?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 09, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 09, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 10:39:09 AMAlready in my hardware.
Right I'm gonna remove them shortly so beware.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Crazy Rich on Oct 09, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Oct 09, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
They are burned into my memory. 8)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 09, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 09, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
I have 'em tattooed on my back 8)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 09, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 09, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 09, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
I have 'em tattooed on the back of my scrotum... 8)
FIXED!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 05:23:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 09, 2011, 05:23:25 PM
Right, I've removed the set images to preempt Fox.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Highland on Oct 09, 2011, 06:57:05 PM
Post by: Highland on Oct 09, 2011, 06:57:05 PM
Baffling why they don't just...
Make a Prometheus website with a few pics of the thing's we have already seen. The movie's out in 8 months, it's not like it's miles away. In this age of the internet, it's the cheapest and most effective way of building hype.
Make a Prometheus website with a few pics of the thing's we have already seen. The movie's out in 8 months, it's not like it's miles away. In this age of the internet, it's the cheapest and most effective way of building hype.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 10:38:19 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 10:38:19 PM
I think someone save those images. Too bad Fox always takes them down, they are watching this site like a watch dog. They know every moment going on here :P.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 09, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 09, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
They've been up all weekend. If you didn't right-click then that's your problem homie :laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 09, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 09, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Another reason why FOX should insist on CGI...it's easy to hide/store images from the film on a hard drive without prying eyes snapping photos every which way. When you build big sets like this and dump them in some studio back lot, everyone with a camera can sneak around to take pictures...and then the intended surprise of your intellectual property gets compromised before the movie even comes out.
Im just saying...
Im just saying...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 09, 2011, 11:46:15 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 09, 2011, 11:46:15 PM
Why fake it when you can make it? CG is at the point now where you could create a whole movie from it. But it still can't fool people.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 09, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 09, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
I'll fully condone CG when it will be indistinguishable from reality. Let's say 20-40 years from now.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Oct 09, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
As I mention before that there is nothing wrong with CG if it's used right. As long it does not over shadow the story and characters then it should be fine. I don't see how it's not any different when they started to used stop motion more often after the 30's?
I already saw them but I was saying that for the people who miss out on them.
QuoteThey've been up all weekend.
I already saw them but I was saying that for the people who miss out on them.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 12:16:45 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 09, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Another reason why FOX should insist on CGI...it's easy to hide/store images from the film on a hard drive without prying eyes snapping photos every which way. When you build big sets like this and dump them in some studio back lot, everyone with a camera can sneak around to take pictures...and then the intended surprise of your intellectual property gets compromised before the movie even comes out.
Im just saying...
Oh yeah, that's a great reason for the film to look like a cartoon. ::)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 10, 2011, 12:21:59 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 10, 2011, 12:21:59 AM
Yeah because sets never look fake and CGI always looks like cartoons.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Pn2501 on Oct 10, 2011, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Oct 10, 2011, 12:28:00 AM
^^^
exactly.
cgi has its place and will only get better and cheaper and that's not a bad thing, especially for upcoming film makers, Gareth Edwards, monsters, and Blomkamp's District 9 are a great example of the positives, cgi is just a tool, its how you you use it.
exactly.
cgi has its place and will only get better and cheaper and that's not a bad thing, especially for upcoming film makers, Gareth Edwards, monsters, and Blomkamp's District 9 are a great example of the positives, cgi is just a tool, its how you you use it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 01:10:38 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 01:10:38 AM
Ash, you're stirring the pot. Stop. You're making these statements just to drum up a bit of frustration from people. End it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 10, 2011, 03:52:49 AM
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 10, 2011, 03:52:49 AM
Stop feeding the trolls
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: nendo on Oct 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
Post by: nendo on Oct 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
As for the huge sets that were originally photographed for this thread...I'm still asking myself "why?" It can all be done for less and with less today.
Erm filming practical and doing cgi prices work out the same in the end. If you want the level of realism you are discussing for a movie on this scale would be expensive. And would work out being the same price is they did it by practical sets. So that statement is invalid.
Yes cgi may be cheaper, but i don't think you've taken into account on what you get for that money. For a cheaper price you also get cheaper looking effects. For the best on screen appearance of a set your gonna have to build the sets. Otherwise you loose the sense of it being real, which in a film like this could be its downfall.
TBh it sounds like you basing you opinion on an area in film making you don't fully understand.
Like i was saying. H
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Nero the Jackal on Oct 10, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
Post by: Nero the Jackal on Oct 10, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
Why bother putting pics up when fox is going to remove them?
Well i suppose getting a quick glimpse of something before they get inevitably removed is better than nothing.
I'm still wondering on how it will fit in with the alien franchise because there has been different versions of prometheus reported, First it was definitely a prequel and would have featured the progenitor of the xenomorphs (i'm glad this didn't happen as i'm sick and tired of new aliens and its new life cycle destroying the franchise) The second time, it was reported to be a film of its own with no connection to aliens only for a cast member to say it shares the same universe. Now there is talk of space jockeys being in it which is definitely a part of the alien universe but i hope they don't mess up the established lore.
Well i suppose getting a quick glimpse of something before they get inevitably removed is better than nothing.
I'm still wondering on how it will fit in with the alien franchise because there has been different versions of prometheus reported, First it was definitely a prequel and would have featured the progenitor of the xenomorphs (i'm glad this didn't happen as i'm sick and tired of new aliens and its new life cycle destroying the franchise) The second time, it was reported to be a film of its own with no connection to aliens only for a cast member to say it shares the same universe. Now there is talk of space jockeys being in it which is definitely a part of the alien universe but i hope they don't mess up the established lore.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Oct 10, 2011, 12:28:00 AM
^^^
exactly.
cgi has its place and will only get better and cheaper and that's not a bad thing, especially for upcoming film makers, Gareth Edwards, monsters, and Blomkamp's District 9 are a great example of the positives, cgi is just a tool, its how you you use it.
Duh, like I don't know that! >:(
What has that got to do with someone saying that Prometheus should have CGI sets just to prevent leaks?! Ash has been spouting horseshit and I'm not about to have someone lecture me about how CGI can be used in conjunction with practical effects. I ALREADY KNOW THAT! What do you think Ridley Scott is doing with Prometheus? Naturally, he'll be using CGI to compliment the practical sets and effects.
The difference is, Ridley knows that if you can shoot something in camera and have it look good, then that's what you do. If you disagree with that then you're ignorant and completely clueless.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
Let's not start throwing insults around guys. Keep it civil.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 10, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
Let's not start throwing insults around guys. Keep it civil.
Aye, fair enough. I should have been a little more restrained with my wording. Still, I stand by the basic gist of what I said.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Oct 10, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
Why bother putting pics up when fox is going to remove them?
Well i suppose getting a quick glimpse of something before they get inevitably removed is better than nothing.
Because I'd rather have that chance to see them than not.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 04:22:06 PMQuote from: Nero the Jackal on Oct 10, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
Why bother putting pics up when fox is going to remove them?
Well i suppose getting a quick glimpse of something before they get inevitably removed is better than nothing.
Because I'd rather have that chance to see them than not.
C'mon guys...you just KNOW it's FOX who's giving us a quick glimpse and THEN acting uppity, like it was some dweeb with a Iphone, and 'having them removed'...this is called 'playing-the-net' and it generates CHEAP word of mouth, without anything official having to be released.
FOX maybe BIG, but it ain't THAT big...had an audience member recorded all of what was presented at ComicCon video-wise...we would of seen it by now. Ipso Facto, FOX themselves self-leaked those shots.
On other issues in this thread, I'm tempted to start a new one...
"What if CGI had been available to Ridley Scott in 1979?...Would this franchise EVEN exist?"
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 05:17:05 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 05:17:05 PM
Lol! You think that, Glaive. :P
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2011, 05:17:05 PM
Lol! You think that, Glaive. :P
...The conspiracy would be if it WEREN'T true!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
How is it possible that 8 months before a release there's no official site, no more official stills, an as yet to be determined trailer....and just a bevy of speculation. Sorta makes me angry. I don't want them to give it all away...but c'mon now, it's time to open up just a bit. The cast is already speaking more about their characters as is Damon Lindelof talking more about plot points. I'd just like a bit more then the scraps we're all begging for.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
I don't care if I hear nothing at all about the movie until release day as long as it's good :laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
I don't care if I hear nothing at all about the movie until release day as long as it's good :laugh:
Here speaks a person of wisdom...
We can STILL speculate, though, right?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 10, 2011, 07:44:11 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 10, 2011, 07:44:11 PM
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You can't.
You can't.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
Can someone please explain the legal precedence that allows studios such as Fox to threaten lawsuit or "legal action" if personal photos taken by an independent person (unaffiliated to the film), showing sets, actors, or other material of the film production, are posted online. I mean, the specific photos are not copyrighted, nor are they pictures of copyrighted material. I am pretty sure that props and sets used in the production of a film are not, in and of themselves, copyrighted. Again, I am assuming that these pics are not "official" studio stills, and that they were taken by some independent third party who happened to get access to the location (most likely after filming had already concluded).
I am wondering if anyone on here is a lawyer or familiar with trademark/copyright law...because I would like to have this issue explained.
I am no lawyer, nor claim any special knowledge in legal matters, but the ONLY thing I can think of as a possible infringement which would allow Fox to have a legal case, is that the photos were taken while the photographer was trespassing. I don't think it is illegal to take photos of private property, so long as the photo isn't taken while trespassing on that private property. Assuming this is the case, ANY photos taken by a private individual of a film production that is on a location shoot...should be free and clear, and fair game. Conversely, if the photos were taken at the studio lot (e.g. Pinewood), then there may be a problem.
I am wondering if anyone on here is a lawyer or familiar with trademark/copyright law...because I would like to have this issue explained.
I am no lawyer, nor claim any special knowledge in legal matters, but the ONLY thing I can think of as a possible infringement which would allow Fox to have a legal case, is that the photos were taken while the photographer was trespassing. I don't think it is illegal to take photos of private property, so long as the photo isn't taken while trespassing on that private property. Assuming this is the case, ANY photos taken by a private individual of a film production that is on a location shoot...should be free and clear, and fair game. Conversely, if the photos were taken at the studio lot (e.g. Pinewood), then there may be a problem.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
The material being photographed is the property of another. This isn't the middle of a street, these photos are of intellectual / physical property. It makes sense. Fox owns the exclusive rights to all of it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 08:45:42 PM
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
The material being photographed is the property of another. This isn't the middle of a street, these photos are of intellectual / physical property. It makes sense. Fox owns the exclusive rights to all of it.
Are you saying, that when if I go to Disneyworld, and take a picture of Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck, posing with my family, that I am violating Copyright laws? Certainly, Walt Disney Corp. owns the exclusive rights to MM and DD.
And as I stated in my post, if a film production is shooting on location (say a National Park), or some other public place, what exactly is their legal recourse to prevent me from photographing any of the actors, the sets, props, etc., while they are filming or displayed in public, and publishing them freely on the WWW?
I agree with you, that if all of these photos were taken on the physical site of the studios private property, then yes, they obviously have recourse to cite violations and infringements. However, if some of these photos were taken with a telescopic lens, by a private individual who was standing outside of their property, then I think this is another matter entirely.
I am not trying to argue...I am simply questioning the validity of Fox's claims on Copyright infringement. Again, I do not pretend to have the legal answer, I am just raising the question for discussion.
And yes, obviously any of the pics taken on an enclosed set (e.g. the pics of the urns and the sculpture of the face, etc.) must have been taken on the premises, with the implication it was either trespassing or illegaly obtained by the photographer. But location set pics, or telescopic shots of a studios backlot (taken from outside the property) should be fair game.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 08:57:19 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 10, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
The material being photographed is the property of another. This isn't the middle of a street, these photos are of intellectual / physical property. It makes sense. Fox owns the exclusive rights to all of it.
It's also CHEAPER for a studio to have some no-name cinema guy from Podunk/No-Where give a DESCRIPTION of an alledged TRAILER, than have to actually PAY for the trailer to be made!! WHY did a VAGUE DESCRIPTION of a SO-CALLED TRAILER need to be pulled from so many sites? How can some RANDOM DUDE'S supposed viewing of a STRANGELY QUICK TURNAROUNDED TEASER be grounds for LEGAL ACTION???
...it AIN'T.
And THAT'S why Fox are the best of studios, and the worst of studios...
"Chariots of the Gods, man. They practically own South America. I mean, they taught the Incas everything they know."
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 09:02:21 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 09:02:21 PM
Legal or not, if they tell us to take it down, we do it. What choice do we have?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ikarop on Oct 10, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
Post by: ikarop on Oct 10, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
C&A desist orders are meant to scare people and news sites off. You rarely see anyone getting sued for posting cam recordings or leaked set photos. It's basically a legal tool used by studios to prevent further leaks more than anything. Which is completely understandable IMO.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 09:07:50 PM
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 10, 2011, 09:07:50 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 09:02:21 PM
Legal or not, if they tell us to take it down, we do it. What choice do we have?
No, I hear you, and completely understand. I am not questioning your response to studio "pressure". I would do the same. I am just raising the question in a general sense, divorced from any specific action or case here on AvP forum.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 09:09:17 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 10, 2011, 09:02:21 PMI can understand the pics...but the trailer description?
Legal or not, if they tell us to take it down, we do it. What choice do we have?
Even if the guy signed an NDA, it's HIS ass on the line, not yours.
It just sounds like a plant to create buzz, with the bare minimum of effort...and it works.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 10, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
...and for the record...
(and before my tin-foil hat falls off...(damn, WHY didn't I design in chin-straps?))
I am of the belief that 'Alien: Harvest' was purposefully leaked some time ago...and it WAS actually written by Jon Spaights, just to gauge the fans' reactions...
There will be 1.7 more...One between October and November, and one toward the beginning of March. Both will knit new images/videos to be leaked/legit over the following months...
It's what I would do.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(and before my tin-foil hat falls off...(damn, WHY didn't I design in chin-straps?))
I am of the belief that 'Alien: Harvest' was purposefully leaked some time ago...and it WAS actually written by Jon Spaights, just to gauge the fans' reactions...
There will be 1.7 more...One between October and November, and one toward the beginning of March. Both will knit new images/videos to be leaked/legit over the following months...
It's what I would do.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 10, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 10, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
QuoteErm filming practical and doing cgi prices work out the same in the end. If you want the level of realism you are discussing for a movie on this scale would be expensive. And would work out being the same price is they did it by practical sets. So that statement is invalid.
Yes cgi may be cheaper, but i don't think you've taken into account on what you get for that money. For a cheaper price you also get cheaper looking effects. For the best on screen appearance of a set your gonna have to build the sets. Otherwise you loose the sense of it being real, which in a film like this could be its downfall.
TBh it sounds like you basing you opinion on an area in film making you don't fully understand.
Cheap sets look just that too.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SiL on Oct 10, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 10, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Good looking sets can be built cheaply.
Cheaply done CGI sets look like cheaply done CGI sets. Which can be fine if that's a look you're going for.
Cheaply done CGI sets look like cheaply done CGI sets. Which can be fine if that's a look you're going for.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Inner Jaw on Oct 11, 2011, 12:55:27 AM
Post by: Inner Jaw on Oct 11, 2011, 12:55:27 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech.
Ash, I am blocking you. just kidding. I think the AVP fans that appreciate CGI over practical FX are younger in age and were raised on CGI. Just a theory. Older fans were raised on Ray Harryhousen and stop-motion and minatures, and I still prefer those. I hated those SW prequels as the CGI just felt like a video game. CGI never seems believable and to have real 'weight' if that makes sense. imo.
I would echo the sentiments of others here and imo say that physical sets and monsters, with CGI enhancements, beat pure CGI any day. I like the puppetry in Alien 3. The layered matte has been cleaned up in the new versions. You still get a sense of physical threat and danger when it is chasing the prisoners through the tunnels . The is something in the brain that just doesn't allow me to not believe CGI. Nature's physics and weight and movement cannot be duplicated exactly by CGI, no matter how hard they try. Physical anatomy and physics truth is stranger and more beautifully complicated than computer duplicated fiction. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 11, 2011, 12:58:19 AM
Post by: NUB DESTROYER on Oct 11, 2011, 12:58:19 AM
I'm all for progress even if it means shitty CGI, but so as long as programmers and animators are sincerely tryin'.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2011, 12:58:48 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2011, 12:58:48 AM
The compositing of the Alien looked fake in1992 and still looks fake now.
Blanket statements about 'all CGI is crap and all practical effects are good' are beyond ignorant.
Blanket statements about 'all CGI is crap and all practical effects are good' are beyond ignorant.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Pn2501 on Oct 11, 2011, 01:13:56 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on Oct 11, 2011, 01:13:56 AM
Quote from: Inner Jaw on Oct 11, 2011, 12:55:27 AMI put myself in the older fan catergory but it's not soQuote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech.
Ash, I am blocking you. just kidding. I think the AVP fans that appreciate CGI over practical FX are younger in age and were raised on CGI. Just a theory. Older fans were raised on Ray Harryhousen and stop-motion and minatures, and I still prefer those. I hated those SW prequels as the CGI just felt like a video game. CGI never seems believable and to have real 'weight' if that makes sense. imo.
much the cgi in the prequels i have a problem with, just the characters, direction and overall story, I like pixar films typically and they are completely cgi.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 11, 2011, 01:57:13 AM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 11, 2011, 01:57:13 AM
Quote from: Inner Jaw on Oct 11, 2011, 12:55:27 AMQuote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
if you look at films like Star Wars Ep 1-3, you can really tell how authentic everything can look with modern computer tech.
Ash, I am blocking you.
NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!! :'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE#ws)
;D
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 11, 2011, 02:11:09 AM
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 11, 2011, 02:11:09 AM
While I am a big proponent of old-school, practical SFX, I do not dismiss the revolution that CG imagery has made to the art of cinema. Unfortunately, it get's a bad rap for the large number of cases in which it is abused...usually with sub-par effects work done by second or third tier effects houses. Even ILM has lost some of their edge, and have released numerous examples of less then stellar CGI work (most recent case that comes to mind is Indy 4). Luckily, their heritage, as well as their ability to still knock one out of the parks, keeps them relevent. Here, I am thinking about recent films such as Pirates 2 & 3 (especially effects with Bill Nighy character). Nowadays, it seems that WETA's computer graphics division is the standard bearer, and has contributed to some of the very best, completely seemless CGI. While I am not a big fan of Avatar, the effects are impressive. And let's not forget their pioneering efforts with Gollum in LOTR, as well as subsequent evolution with King Kong and most recently Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Finally, their are some other really good CGI houses doing remarkable work, such as Imagine Engine Inc. (District 9).
I think that when CGI works the best, it is when their is a blend and BALANCE between CGI and practical...and the best example I can think of is also the water-shed movie in which the effects still are amazing and completely convincing --> Jurrasic Park.
I think that when CGI works the best, it is when their is a blend and BALANCE between CGI and practical...and the best example I can think of is also the water-shed movie in which the effects still are amazing and completely convincing --> Jurrasic Park.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Highland on Oct 11, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Post by: Highland on Oct 11, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Anyone who thought the Animatronic T-rex trumped the CGI one needs their eye sight tested monthly.
People are far too quick to lump CGI in with a bad movie as the reason it was bad. Fact is, Episode 3 for however shite it was, still has some amazingly good CGI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk#ws)
People are far too quick to lump CGI in with a bad movie as the reason it was bad. Fact is, Episode 3 for however shite it was, still has some amazingly good CGI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KH1GOFUCHk#ws)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 11, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 11, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
The CG Yoda still seems WAY off comparing it to Gollum or the N'avi. It looks digital, as opposed to photo real. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 11, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 11, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
I really do not understand this today´s obsession with ultra-realistic CGI effects.
Example...I remember watching Raiders when I was a kid and even that time i found the effects entirely fake....great,but still fake.
This made Raiders bad?Absolutely NO!
Example...I remember watching Raiders when I was a kid and even that time i found the effects entirely fake....great,but still fake.
This made Raiders bad?Absolutely NO!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien1 on Oct 11, 2011, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: Alien1 on Oct 11, 2011, 05:52:55 PM
So im wondering if this movie will be apart of a new Alien box set... seeing as it looks like it IS a prequel so far..... OR if its not even guna be apart of the Alien series..
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 11, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 11, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
the point of effects is to seem real without seeming like an effect. Yoda just doesn't hold up. It's still great, but it's not amazing work. WETA has one upped ILM. Period.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2011, 06:39:09 PM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2011, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 11, 2011, 06:21:29 PM
the point of effects is to seem real without seeming like an effect. Yoda just doesn't hold up. It's still great, but it's not amazing work. WETA has one upped ILM. Period.
hi guys, new here but been reading on and off over the years, not trying to cause a storm but i have to disagree with this statement, the star wars prequels are getting on a little and avatar is a pretty new movie. WETA enlisted the help of ILM for avatar so the statement that they one upped ILM is not really true, again the star wars prequels are a little old and im pretty sure ILM is more than capable of achieving anything that WETA is, im not putting WETA down btw as they are obviously very good at what they do.
edit to add) also some of the cgi work and set work in the star wars prequels is not as obvious as you might think, i was quite dumbfounded when i watched all the makings and saw that some things i thought were real were cgi and some things i thought were cgi were actually sets.... example: obi wans cloak in parts of episode 2 were cgi....
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 11, 2011, 06:41:54 PM
Post by: m138jewski on Oct 11, 2011, 06:41:54 PM
I think the most convincing cg character to date is King Kong, shit just looks real. The fx in rise of the apes were a little inconsistent. Looked real at times, and not so much other times.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: eyesofthedemon on Oct 11, 2011, 09:16:22 PM
Post by: eyesofthedemon on Oct 11, 2011, 09:16:22 PM
I'm a practical effects fan first and foremost but some of my favourite characters are completely CG also,im inclined to think the resolution we watch most things in today doesnt help when it comes to puppets etc,back in the 80's with such films as Labyrinth,Gremlins and ET they really nailed it,but watching them in HD kind of show's the flaw's.........i'll always have my "nostalgia glasses" though
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2011, 10:10:43 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2011, 10:10:43 PM
Quoteedit to add) also some of the cgi work and set work in the star wars prequels is not as obvious as you might think, i was quite dumbfounded when i watched all the makings and saw that some things i thought were real were cgi and some things i thought were cgi were actually sets.... example: obi wans cloak in parts of episode 2 were cgi....
Indeed. There's a shit load of stuff in Star Wars (and many other flicks) like sets that people would never pick as being digital.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2011, 10:10:43 PMQuoteedit to add) also some of the cgi work and set work in the star wars prequels is not as obvious as you might think, i was quite dumbfounded when i watched all the makings and saw that some things i thought were real were cgi and some things i thought were cgi were actually sets.... example: obi wans cloak in parts of episode 2 were cgi....
Indeed. There's a shit load of stuff in Star Wars (and many other flicks) like sets that people would never pick as being digital.
agreed, to be honest, i dont think cgi was a problem on any of the sw prequels and i can understand why lucas used so much as sw is much more expansive than most sci fi/fantasy universes and would be very hard to do what he wanted without cgi, the problems were bad stories, bad continuity, bad casting, bad acting, bad scripts, bad designs and bad dialogue, the films did improve a little from 1 through to 3 but the damage was already done, ill still watch them though as im the type that will still watch any movie that contains my fave characters etc, ill probably be called for this but i can happily sit through avp and avpr just cos its got aliens and preds in lol
but anyway, ridley looks to have gone about prometheus the right way by doing it real wherever possible and just adding cgi where needed because i feel the realsim is needed more in a thriller/horror film than something like star wars.
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 12, 2011, 04:02:31 AM
Post by: Deuterium on Oct 12, 2011, 04:02:31 AM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 11, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Anyone who thought the Animatronic T-rex trumped the CGI one needs their eye sight tested monthly.
People are far too quick to lump CGI in with a bad movie as the reason it was bad. Fact is, Episode 3 for however shite it was, still has some amazingly good CGI.
I don't think one trumped the other. Rather, I think that this particular film (Jurassic Park) is the "ne plus ultra" example of perfect marriage between practical (in this case, animatronic) and CGI effects.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 12, 2011, 01:26:09 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 12, 2011, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Oct 12, 2011, 04:02:31 AMQuote from: Highland on Oct 11, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Anyone who thought the Animatronic T-rex trumped the CGI one needs their eye sight tested monthly.
People are far too quick to lump CGI in with a bad movie as the reason it was bad. Fact is, Episode 3 for however shite it was, still has some amazingly good CGI.
I don't think one trumped the other. Rather, I think that this particular film (Jurassic Park) is the "ne plus ultra" example of perfect marriage between practical (in this case, animatronic) and CGI effects.
I couldn't agree more. Jurassic Park remains the perfect example of how to use a combination of practical and CGI.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Post by: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 12, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 12, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
They be all up on Google Images now yo!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 12, 2011, 04:33:20 PM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 12, 2011, 04:33:20 PM
Quote from: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?
theres also a couple of you tube videos with them all in but im new here so dont want to link them as theyve been removed and i dont want to be breaking any rules lol.
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Gash on Oct 13, 2011, 02:30:12 AM
Post by: Gash on Oct 13, 2011, 02:30:12 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Oct 08, 2011, 10:09:10 AM
I don't get it. Why don't these guys just hire Industrial Light and Magic to render all of their props in CGI? It seems a little dated and too much work altogether to build set pieces like this in 2011.
Because they want it to look real?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Agreed that the prequels have some seamless imagery, but at the same time, something rang as hollow A LOT when viewing a large portion of those films. That feeling I did NOT experience while watching the LOTR films, and Avatar. But, pardon me, defend away ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 13, 2011, 03:44:12 AM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 13, 2011, 03:44:12 AM
Quote from: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 12, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
They be all up on Google Images now yo!
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 12, 2011, 04:33:20 PMQuote from: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?
theres also a couple of you tube videos with them all in but im new here so dont want to link them as theyve been removed and i dont want to be breaking any rules lol.
thanks
rich
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Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 13, 2011, 07:12:52 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 13, 2011, 07:12:52 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Oct 13, 2011, 03:44:12 AMQuote from: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 12, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
They be all up on Google Images now yo!Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 12, 2011, 04:33:20 PMQuote from: Gates on Oct 12, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Missed these...can anyone PM them my way on the hush-hush..?
theres also a couple of you tube videos with them all in but im new here so dont want to link them as theyve been removed and i dont want to be breaking any rules lol.
thanks
rich
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Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Agreed that the prequels have some seamless imagery, but at the same time, something rang as hollow A LOT when viewing a large portion of those films. That feeling I did NOT experience while watching the LOTR films, and Avatar. But, pardon me, defend away ;)
i agree with the hollow feel but again i think that was down to bad acting and interaction from the real characters rather than the cgi itself.
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 09:12:03 AMIf the ACTORS can't see their surroundings, how the F*CK are they supposed to act??Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Agreed that the prequels have some seamless imagery, but at the same time, something rang as hollow A LOT when viewing a large portion of those films. That feeling I did NOT experience while watching the LOTR films, and Avatar. But, pardon me, defend away ;)
i agree with the hollow feel but again i think that was down to bad acting and interaction from the real characters rather than the cgi itself.
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 10:44:58 AMQuote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 09:12:03 AMIf the ACTORS can't see their surroundings, how the F*CK are they supposed to act??Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Agreed that the prequels have some seamless imagery, but at the same time, something rang as hollow A LOT when viewing a large portion of those films. That feeling I did NOT experience while watching the LOTR films, and Avatar. But, pardon me, defend away ;)
i agree with the hollow feel but again i think that was down to bad acting and interaction from the real characters rather than the cgi itself.
thanks
rich
some manage it in many movies and some dont, this may be down to the director but again i wouldnt blame the actual cgi for it.
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
You don't want Actors, mate...You want MIME-ARTISTS!!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 13, 2011, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 13, 2011, 01:24:44 PM
Wow, the lack of Prometheus information has really brought the forum down to some lowest common denominator arguments and off topic rubbish. Between this SETS V CGI debate and the other thread turning into list your favourite androids.
That trailer needs to come quick and purify this nest.
That trailer needs to come quick and purify this nest.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 13, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 13, 2011, 01:07:28 PMer no, the acting was pretty terrible all the way through the movies, even in the parts with no cgi characters.
You don't want Actors, mate...You want MIME-ARTISTS!!!
thanks
rich
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Nero the Jackal on Oct 13, 2011, 01:59:05 PM
Post by: Nero the Jackal on Oct 13, 2011, 01:59:05 PM
Alright enough with the practical vs cgi arguments, Ridley Scott will make the film his way and not what the fans want, Hell he could make most of the film cgi and i bet you lot would still watch it, i myself prefer practical effects over cgi but cgi does have its place, its used when practical effects are not sufficient in bringing something to life but i'll agree that it is at times overused.
Now lets get back to topic and talk about the set and location pics.
Right someone mentioned that one of sets looked like the Nostromo and i sort of agree, its has a similar design to passage ways and doors of the ship, kind of makes sense since its supposed to take place 30 years before Alien, there was another pic that i can't really remember because i only saw it once but it looked like the wall from the derelict not really sure though. one report i read was that the film will explain the mystery of the derelict and the space jockeys so maybe that pic was supposed to be of the derelict.
Now lets get back to topic and talk about the set and location pics.
Right someone mentioned that one of sets looked like the Nostromo and i sort of agree, its has a similar design to passage ways and doors of the ship, kind of makes sense since its supposed to take place 30 years before Alien, there was another pic that i can't really remember because i only saw it once but it looked like the wall from the derelict not really sure though. one report i read was that the film will explain the mystery of the derelict and the space jockeys so maybe that pic was supposed to be of the derelict.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 02:24:11 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 02:24:11 PM
Nero is right. Move along folks.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 02:48:15 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 13, 2011, 02:48:15 PM
The issue here is that too much CGI feels flat, like an entire dead eye set. There was one scene in Attack of the Clones where Samuel L walks in to the senate chamber...and everything had been comped in, shot separately. Even though the effects were good, so much of the scene/s had been composed from so many different things the entire scene came off empty adding to a film that feature tons of such scenes.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
Again, discuss the sets in the picture please. Not the CGI that may or may not be there in the final product.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Gates on Oct 13, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
Post by: Gates on Oct 13, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 12, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
They be all up on Google Images now yo!
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Oct 12, 2011, 04:33:20 PM
theres also a couple of you tube videos with them all in but im new here so dont want to link them as theyve been removed and i dont want to be breaking any rules lol.
thanks
rich
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Dude, relax...either answer my question or move on...I don't need a lesson on how to navigate a forum...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 13, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Post by: St_Eddie on Oct 13, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Quote from: Gates on Oct 13, 2011, 04:39:14 PMQuote from: St_Eddie on Oct 13, 2011, 07:12:52 AMDude, relax...either answer my question or move on...I don't need a lesson on how to navigate a forum...
I gave up trying to explain to people about the sticky thread. If folks can't take 2 minutes to read previous posts then that's their loss.
I don't know why you feel my comment was directed at yourself in particular. I was merely stating how it can get tiresome continually informing people of the thread marked "read this before posting", especially when I've already reminded folks on page 6 of this thread. As I previously stated, that remark was not made in response to your post.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 13, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
Splendid! So we can move along then? ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 12:39:46 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 12:39:46 AM
QuoteIf the ACTORS can't see their surroundings, how the F*CK are they supposed to act??
They're paid (a lot in some instances) to make pretend. If they can't use their imagination then they're in the wrong game.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 01:43:39 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 01:43:39 AM
SM that answer is a bit less than charitable. Yes, they're actors, but they also have to buy what they're going to eventually be selling to us. It's one thing to act when there's an element of a set piece that is green screen. It's quite another when 80 percent of your set isn't there.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:26:01 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:26:01 AM
Loads of actors pull it off with no problem. Lots of Star Wars sets were 100% green screen. While the acting wasn't anything special it was more than adequate for the type of film they were making.
Andy Serkis didn't even have a green screen when he was doing mocap for LOTR and King Kong. I suspect the same was true for a lot of Avatar.
Andy Serkis didn't even have a green screen when he was doing mocap for LOTR and King Kong. I suspect the same was true for a lot of Avatar.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 02:42:39 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 02:42:39 AM
After reading your last post, and knowing what I know of Avatar, LOTR, and the Prequels, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:48:37 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:48:37 AM
After reading your bitching about poor actors having to work with little or no set, I don't think you know very much about Avatar, LOTR and the Prequels.
Working against a completely digital character who isn't even in the shot would be way more difficult than working against a green screen and loads of actors pull that off too.
Mark Hamill isn't going to win any acting awards anytime soon, but his talent completely sold Yoda as a real character rather some rubber and Frank Oz's hand.
It's all make believe.
Working against a completely digital character who isn't even in the shot would be way more difficult than working against a green screen and loads of actors pull that off too.
Mark Hamill isn't going to win any acting awards anytime soon, but his talent completely sold Yoda as a real character rather some rubber and Frank Oz's hand.
It's all make believe.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 14, 2011, 04:08:41 AM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 14, 2011, 04:08:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:26:01 AM
Loads of actors pull it off with no problem. Lots of Star Wars sets were 100% green screen.
Yes, but whenever you see a close-up shot of Yoda's face to fit the entire screen there isn't anymore room for the real actor to be in frame. So of course it's easy to pull it off with the it's 100% green screen.
Therefore, ThisBethesdaSea is not very informed about what he is saying and SM is right.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 07:08:37 AM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 07:08:37 AM
I swear most of the 'users' on this site can't be older than 15...
There's SO MUCH nonsense being spouted, it's literally off the chart!
There's SO MUCH nonsense being spouted, it's literally off the chart!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 14, 2011, 07:33:29 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 14, 2011, 07:33:29 AM
Just poking my nose in to say I've enjoyed reading the last 4 pages of this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 14, 2011, 07:50:52 AM
Post by: Vulhala on Oct 14, 2011, 07:50:52 AM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 07:08:37 AM
I swear most of the 'users' on this site can't be older than 15...
There's SO MUCH nonsense being spouted, it's literally off the chart!
That'll do with the sweeping generalisations, thanks.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
What sold Yoda was Frank Oz. Period. And the actors on Avatar were there in person, recording mo cap. Obviously their surroundings were green screen but they acted against each other, not a wooden poll. In LOTR, there also were actors and partial sets present, the rest enhanced with CGI. Andy Serkis was also on set, on location with the actors portraying the hobbit. For his more intimate scenes, it was just Andy Serkis by himself, playing off himself.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 14, 2011, 01:08:33 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 14, 2011, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 12:58:57 PMI think it's as simple as 'Lucas can't direct actors.' Even Portman, a great actress, was flat in those movies. He isn't a good writer either; both things he has admitted to personally. (sets were also built for Avatar)
What sold Yoda was Frank Oz. Period. And the actors on Avatar were there in person, recording mo cap. Obviously their surroundings were green screen but they acted against each other, not a wooden poll. In LOTR, there also were actors and partial sets present, the rest enhanced with CGI. Andy Serkis was also on set, on location with the actors portraying the hobbit. For his more intimate scenes, it was just Andy Serkis by himself, playing off himself.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 14, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 14, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2011, 02:26:01 AM
Loads of actors pull it off with no problem. Lots of Star Wars sets were 100% green screen. While the acting wasn't anything special it was more than adequate for the type of film they were making.
Andy Serkis didn't even have a green screen when he was doing mocap for LOTR and King Kong. I suspect the same was true for a lot of Avatar.
Totally agree with this! Wether or not an actor buys into what they are paid to do is not the point, if they can't sell what the audience is meant to see they shouldn't be in the game at all, some things should just come naturally. By the same token, any good actor would make light work of a bad script, something all the Star Wars prequels were guilty of in my opinion. A fine example of this would be the excellent Scottish stage and screen actor Ian McDiarmid, who practically lifted Lucas's lame writing skills single handed, as opposed to the likes of Hayden Christensen, the 'star' of those films, who isn't neccesarily a bad actor, but who was clearly out of his depth when it came to making the audience believe in something just because he couldn't see it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 14, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 14, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
What sold Yoda was Frank Oz. Period.
What sold Yoda was Mark Hamill, even Lucas himself said "It wouldn't matter how good it looked on screen if the actor didn't make you believe it"
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 14, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 14, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
I've lost sight as to why everyone is talking about what the actors do when faced with green screen.
Has this all been brought up because people are worried that Prometheus will use green screen?
Has this all been brought up because people are worried that Prometheus will use green screen?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 03:02:33 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 03:02:33 PM
This started when ASH posted about CGI being used as opposed to practical sets. Then, the conversation devolved into 'good actors don't need sets or people to act around or with."
Anyway....
PROMETHEUS TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurry the F*ck Up!!!!!
Anyway....
PROMETHEUS TRAILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurry the F*ck Up!!!!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 14, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 14, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
I do believe you were all asked by a Global Mod to go start another thread if you wanna continue this debate. See to it you do guys. Don't want anymore posts dealing with this issue here, this is for talking about the set and location pictures. Thanxkaybai.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 05:00:20 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 05:00:20 PM
The real question is....are the trickle down pics of Prometheus all a Fox scheme of viral marketing?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 05:00:20 PM
The real question is....are the trickle down pics of Prometheus all a Fox scheme of viral marketing?
...YUP!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 14, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 14, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
Am afraid not guys. These kind if leaks never look representitive of the finished movie and can make stuff worse. It's not in their interests.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Gash on Oct 14, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
Post by: Gash on Oct 14, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
In regards to practical sets Ridley has stated that it is better to build it, light it and shoot it by preference. I think he quotes Trumbull as guiding him in that and his views don't appear to have changed over more than thirty years. He likes to operate the camera on occasion so I reckon sets are as important to him as they are to actors. On A L I E N he made the point that switches and dials on the Nostromo bridge actually did things and that all helped the actors feel the reality of the situation.
I've never really got the impression Ridley would be a director to rely too heavily on green screen, thankfully he's a film maker that regards CGI as one of the tools of the trade and will use it to augment reality. Obviously Prometheus will probably be his most digitally enhanced film but he's a very artistic director and he doesn't want effects to jar with the gritty reality of what he has shot practically. I can't, off hand, think of any Scott film in which CGI has looked as obvious as in most recent blockbuster films. As to the issue of cost, again Ridley has mentioned that it is no cheaper to use quality CGI than it is to do things practically.
To me it one of the big selling points of Prometheus, that it is an epic film, made in the tradition of classics, but with the advantage of digital enhancements under the guidance of a director who is a genuine artist. I agree with Cameron's point that it's about time Scott got back to Sci-Fi where he can really spread his wings creatively. That Scott is doing it from a 'practical' starting point is wonderful IMHO.
I've never really got the impression Ridley would be a director to rely too heavily on green screen, thankfully he's a film maker that regards CGI as one of the tools of the trade and will use it to augment reality. Obviously Prometheus will probably be his most digitally enhanced film but he's a very artistic director and he doesn't want effects to jar with the gritty reality of what he has shot practically. I can't, off hand, think of any Scott film in which CGI has looked as obvious as in most recent blockbuster films. As to the issue of cost, again Ridley has mentioned that it is no cheaper to use quality CGI than it is to do things practically.
To me it one of the big selling points of Prometheus, that it is an epic film, made in the tradition of classics, but with the advantage of digital enhancements under the guidance of a director who is a genuine artist. I agree with Cameron's point that it's about time Scott got back to Sci-Fi where he can really spread his wings creatively. That Scott is doing it from a 'practical' starting point is wonderful IMHO.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 14, 2011, 09:54:54 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 14, 2011, 09:54:54 PM
^ Amen.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 14, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 14, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
Am afraid not guys. These kind if leaks never look representitive of the finished movie and can make stuff worse. It's not in their interests.
Oh, really? It certainly pricked-up many sites ears (INCLUDING THIS ONE.).
How is this NOT in their interest?
How does it make STUFF worse? (what STUFF?...worse than WHAT?)
I don't understand what you mean.
...and I don't think YOU understand what's being said.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 11:08:58 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 14, 2011, 11:08:58 PM
I agree with Glaive....the leaked images only further surround the film with mystery. "what is it? What are these images? I want more" that fuels a viral campaign. A damaging photo would have to be something different.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
Not necessarily. These photos are never lit the way the movie will be, they wont show the sets or location in the same way and sometimes this can make them look worse than they will be. A grainy photo is never representative of the finished project and can sometimes (not that these have) insight some anger and disappointment towards the films.
This isn't viral marketing. They can do better than that. Plus, I know where these came from and it wasn't Fox employees so take my word when I say these aren't Fox distributed or some conspiracy to promote the film. Not that you guys will believe me but for those out there that might.
This isn't viral marketing. They can do better than that. Plus, I know where these came from and it wasn't Fox employees so take my word when I say these aren't Fox distributed or some conspiracy to promote the film. Not that you guys will believe me but for those out there that might.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
A grainy photo is never representative of the finished project and can sometimes (not that these have) insight some anger and disappointment towards the films.
Can you give some examples of where that HAS been the case?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: T Dog on Oct 15, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
Post by: T Dog on Oct 15, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
I wonder are they hotly debating whether or not they should add A L I E N to the title or not.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 12:22:33 PM
'PROMALIENETHUS' is a bit of a mouthful...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 10:01:02 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
A grainy photo is never representative of the finished project and can sometimes (not that these have) insight some anger and disappointment towards the films.
Can you give some examples of where that HAS been the case?
As for people getting irritated about things in leaked pics? Not any specific examples off the top of my head but if you go to general movie sites I'm sure you'll see some comments. As for the pictures not looking the same as the movie, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that will obviously be the case.
And like I said, I know for a fact these weren't deliberate leaks.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
These photos showcases character moments, action moments and set pieces, so they don't fit at all your parameters.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
Are we talking about the same photos here? Do you mean the Comic Con footage caps because the pictures this thread was posted about certainly don't.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 15, 2011, 01:32:06 PM
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 15, 2011, 01:32:06 PM
I didn´t like two things in the leaked images...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F6426%2Fportalfy.png&hash=c3e02da8fb333093c21b8b20346f44cc76b420d2) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/portalfy.png/)
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Too Generic Hieroglyphs in that door...(i don´t know...maybe it works as a "B Sci-Fi Movie" context).
Too Clean Sets and a Alien Resurrection Feel in some of them.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg195.imageshack.us%2Fimg195%2F6426%2Fportalfy.png&hash=c3e02da8fb333093c21b8b20346f44cc76b420d2) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/portalfy.png/)
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Too Generic Hieroglyphs in that door...(i don´t know...maybe it works as a "B Sci-Fi Movie" context).
Too Clean Sets and a Alien Resurrection Feel in some of them.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion, with which I humbly disagree with.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 02:50:03 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 01:37:47 PMI concur.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, with which I humbly disagree with.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:25:44 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:25:44 PM
Yes...the ComiCon screen caps. And whose opinion don't we agree with?
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
Post by: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
Dunno.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 03:32:07 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 03:32:07 PM
What HE said...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 03:36:18 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:25:44 PM
Yes...the ComiCon screen caps. And whose opinion don't we agree with?
Even then then the pictures are of recorded footage and don't at all look clean or good. So again, not really in their interest. I think you guys are just grasping for conspiracies where none exists.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
Unless you are some how affiliated with Fox, which I hazard a guess you aren't, I safely can say you know about as much as we do. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 15, 2011, 03:47:37 PMSHHHHHH!!!!
Unless you are some how affiliated with Fox, which I hazard a guess you aren't, I safely can say you know about as much as we do. :)
He SAID he knew where these images CAME FROM!
This guy may be and/or know...DEEP THROAT!!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 15, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
Anyone else remember a time when people actually trusted me? You wanna be fools about it be my guests but I am well aware of where and who these images came from. If that isn't enough for you guys to believe me, obviously nothing I can do about it.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ikarop on Oct 15, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
Post by: ikarop on Oct 15, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
There's no conspiracy, seriously. If Fox or any other company wanted to start a viral marketing campaign they would have used much better quality and less spoilery material. The screen-capture they sent out around SDCC is a perfect example of viral and official marketing.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
...so naive.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
They have a grey alien in area 51 you know.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ikarop on Oct 15, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
Post by: ikarop on Oct 15, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
...so naive.
So delusional.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 15, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
Well...at least we know where we stand.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
Those pictures were leaked. I see no reason as to why they would release them willingly.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 15, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
Post by: Dirty Harry on Oct 15, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
I will get my DeLorean, travel to the future to watch Prometheus and come back to tell everything about it. ;D
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: Ivymike on Oct 15, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
I will get my DeLorean, travel to the future to watch Prometheus and come back to tell everything about it. ;D
Great Scott!
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 16, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 16, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Great Ridley Scott!
Fixed.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Marr on Oct 16, 2011, 01:55:34 PM
Post by: Marr on Oct 16, 2011, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Ivymike on Oct 15, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
I will get my DeLorean, travel to the future to watch Prometheus and come back to tell everything about it. ;D
If its not too much trouble next weeks lottery numbers would be great. Cheers.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 16, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
Post by: RoaryUK on Oct 16, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion, with which I humbly disagree with.
Yeah me too, I also wish people would STOP using A:R as a lame excuse for dissing everything. No it wasn't great from a story perspective, but that movie had some of the finest set pieces and art direction of ALL the Alien/Predator films, and is still a fine example of how films should be made... end of rant!! ;D
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Glaive on Oct 16, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
Post by: Glaive on Oct 16, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Oct 16, 2011, 03:17:12 PMQuote from: JaaayDee on Oct 15, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion, with which I humbly disagree with.
Yeah me too, I also wish people would STOP using A:R as a lame excuse for dissing everything. No it wasn't great from a story perspective, but that movie had some of the finest set pieces and art direction of ALL the Alien/Predator films, and is still a fine example of how films should be made... end of rant!! ;D
Thanks for sharing...
I now know where to place you, much as you've placed A:R...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 01:52:09 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 01:52:09 AM
QuoteToo Clean Sets and a Alien Resurrection Feel in some of them.
The A Deck sets for Alien were pretty clean.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 17, 2011, 02:01:15 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 17, 2011, 02:01:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 01:52:09 AMI don't even know why people expect another dingy Nostromo. It's not like the Sulaco was in tatters either. Nostromo was a glorified truck, it was gonna be dirty in most places, except for, understandably, the medical bay and eating area. The ships in Prometheus are apparently top-of-the-line (if there's any connection to the Shadow 19 script, anyway) and on a exploratory mission (according to the synopsis). It's gonna be clean! :(QuoteToo Clean Sets and a Alien Resurrection Feel in some of them.
The A Deck sets for Alien were pretty clean.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Oct 17, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Oct 17, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 16, 2011, 12:28:46 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Oct 15, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jC9iOPMNzVc/SbLUbEDBQRI/AAAAAAAAAT8/72Eq1T4s3Gc/s400/doc+brown.jpg
Great Ridley Scott! © SM
Fixed.
Fixed, again...
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 03:34:02 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 03:34:02 AM
Word.(TM)
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 17, 2011, 03:34:10 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Oct 17, 2011, 03:34:10 AM
Damn. Hoped no one would notice my blatant plagiarism.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 17, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Oct 17, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
I don't know about others but the Nostromo never seemed dingy to me. There were certain set pieces that were darker then others but some of the main areas, mess hall, cryo chamber, mother control room were white and sanitized or an off white and sanitized.
And as far as ALIEN RESURRECTION is concerned. Yes, it was beautiful to look at, but in comparison to the shitty story that's not saying much. A L I E N succeeded because the sets were so perfect they nearly didn't seem like sets to begin with. What I remember more about the first 3 films is atmosphere and character, the last was all window dressing and no substance. So, in my opinion, that's not really a win.
And as far as ALIEN RESURRECTION is concerned. Yes, it was beautiful to look at, but in comparison to the shitty story that's not saying much. A L I E N succeeded because the sets were so perfect they nearly didn't seem like sets to begin with. What I remember more about the first 3 films is atmosphere and character, the last was all window dressing and no substance. So, in my opinion, that's not really a win.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 06:00:20 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2011, 06:00:20 AM
Alien3 has rose coloured glasses in it's favour.
B and C Deck on the Nostromo are the grubby run down dirty sets. A Deck - not so much. Bits look messy because of the way it's dressed with banks of circuitry and stuff but it's not actually dirty per se.
B and C Deck on the Nostromo are the grubby run down dirty sets. A Deck - not so much. Bits look messy because of the way it's dressed with banks of circuitry and stuff but it's not actually dirty per se.
Title: Re: Prometheus Set & Location Pictures
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 17, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
Post by: Ash 937 on Oct 17, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
You'd never see a crew member of the Nostromo clean the grime from the walls like you do on Fury 161. Still, Brett always seemed more disheveled to me than any of the prisoners on Fury 161.