So I've been looking around on various Aliens information sites, some of them roleplaying, some of them not, and many of them mention the Arcturians, those creatures briefly mentioned while our old pals on the Sulaco were having breakfast. Now, the real interesting part is that they're described pretty consistently across multiple sites as blind, subteranean humanoid mole people with an insect-like society.
Now, where the hell did this idea come from? Frost and Spunkmeyer were talking about enjoying the boinking of these critters, and I'm having a hard time imagining the marines crawling down into the tunnels to rape some barely-sentient colonist-hating cave people.
Granted, the movie doesn't go into much detail, not mention whether the Arcturians are even extraterrestrials. For all we know, the planet could be just be home to some Earthly colonists with a reputation for unusually sexy women (and girly men) or a home of major android production (and therefore a high population of sex synths).
What do you guys think?
-Pax
i dont know what the hell it was but it was good...... they blindfolded me though....
The above description might've come from the Leading Edge Aliens RPG. Sounds familiar. The expand on these things for the purposes of the game. Doesn't mean it's really what Cameron intended. Cameron probably didn't intend anything beyond banter.
Ultimately we don't know what they are. I've always considered them to be semi-sentient (at least) androgynous sexually compatiable extra terrestrials.
Creepy...raping deformed mole people is disturbing :-X
I always though that they were on about a holiday or someware they went that turnd out good or something?
hey as a joke if cpl. hicks posts here you could say"and the one that you had was a male"..
QuoteI always though that they were on about a holiday or someware they went that turnd out good or something?
You mean like Patpong Rd? ;D
Quote from: ParanoidZombie on May 09, 2007, 09:22:11 AM
hey as a joke if cpl. hicks posts here you could say"and the one that tou had was a male"..
...hi...*looks around*
Doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby.
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2007, 01:07:10 AM
The above description might've come from the Leading Edge Aliens RPG. Sounds familiar. The expand on these things for the purposes of the game. Doesn't mean it's really what Cameron intended. Cameron probably didn't intend anything beyond banter.
Ultimately we don't know what they are. I've always considered them to be semi-sentient (at least) androgynous sexually compatiable extra terrestrials.
That's all pretty much what I figured. I didn't think there was any actual official Cameron-esque explanation or anything. I was just curious what people had thought/heard about the critters.
In the Aliens D20 RPG I'm running, I portrayed Arcturians about like you said: nearly androgynous ETs. I started out with the idea that they were like that style of anime/manga where the girls are girly and so are the men, but I ended up with a kind of peaceful, almost etheral two-life-cycle aliens. They're humanoid in the first cycle, and they have seperate genders, but sex doesn't matter, because when they die, some deep part of them grows from a seed into a tree, using their old body as fertilizer. It's kinda similar to the Piggies in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game/Speaker for the Dead series, if anyone's read that, except only the tree part of the cycle is fertile and reproduces, resulting in first-stage fetus growing in the boles of the trees. The humanoid form is pretty much sentient fruit with legs, although one of my players (after being creeped out by babies growing in trees) said I'd turned them into space elves.
Not that I have anything to base those ideas on, but hey, it's better than raping deformed mole people.
-Pax
Ijust checked and the original RPG info on Arcturians was used in this rpg as well (http://members.toast.net/talien/michael/pdfs/aliens.pdf).
Just Military banter.
Nothing more or less.
The "the one you had was male", type statements are nothing to read into to much, just another Joe accusing him of screwing a dude, or an ugly chick.
Just another colony. There were there for a while and got laid. Nuff said.
Male to female sex operations are performed today - so in the future with technological advancements it's not unreasonable to suggest they will continue.
In fact, it's pretty obviously implied that Arcturians are just colonists.
The marines, however, are implied to have encountered alien species before (ie: "is this going to be a stand-up fight sir, or another bug hunt?").
How exactly is it "obviously implied" the Arcturians are colonists?
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2007, 09:25:03 PM
How exactly is it "obviously implied" the Arcturians are colonists?
Just the general gist of the conversation.
The "one you had was male" and "it don't matter if it's Arcturian" implies otherwise.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2007, 06:34:15 AM
The "one you had was male" and "it don't matter if it's Arcturian" implies otherwise.
Well that could mean a lot of things.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2007, 06:34:15 AM
The "one you had was male" and "it don't matter if it's Arcturian" implies otherwise.
NO IT DOES NOT.
That is the sort of thing both Marines and Soldiers say as JOKES.
You guys are digging WAY too deep into this.
"the one you had was male", just is a Joking way of saying 'ha ha, you screwed a dude", and he was joking, pretty much calling him gay.
He may have just meant that the women on the Arcturian colony are fugly and the men are pussies too.
That simple. He was making a JOKE.
Meh, it's fine to say, "Oh, they're just colonists, synthetics, etc," and, "the marines were just ragging on each other," but I like to take such hints about the broader universe and interpet them as something a little more, y'know, interesting, especially when it involves coming up with material for a RPG I'm running.
Besides, you have to remember: anything is better than raping deformed mole people. ;)
-Pax
Quote from: Pax on May 13, 2007, 02:34:18 AM
Meh, it's fine to say, "Oh, they're just colonists, synthetics, etc," and, "the marines were just ragging on each other," but I like to take such hints about the broader universe and interpet them as something a little more, y'know, interesting, especially when it involves coming up with material for a RPG I'm running.
Besides, you have to remember: anything is better than raping deformed mole people. ;)
-Pax
Dude,
You can still flesh out the fan fiction WITHOUT having to turn an offhanded joke into something rediculous about mutations that Marines rape. ::)
Just have Acturia be an outpost as a large colonized planet, and they were thee on a base, similar to the ones the USA has in other countries.
The guy went out on the town there and got laid. Maybe the place has a high populations of transvestites, and once in a while a Joe goes back and find out he got picked up by a bloke. Sort of like what can happen in Thailand with a % of men living as women.
QuoteNO IT DOES NOT.
YES IT DOES.
I used the word "IMPLIES". Many people have ASSUMED Arcturians are NON-HUMAN, so the IMPLICATION is rather obvious.
Is it definate? No, but no one ever said it was.
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2007, 09:51:26 PM
QuoteNO IT DOES NOT.
YES IT DOES.
I used the word "IMPLIES". Many people have ASSUMED Arcturians are NON-HUMAN, so the IMPLICATION is rather obvious.
Is it definate? No, but no one ever said it was.
Have you ever served in the Military? Any combat units?
I have, and I can say that what I got out of that conversation was very straightforward and simple.
You are dealing with a time period where these guy may get stationed on other colonies for periods of time.
One may be like what Japan is like for Marines and Soldies today. They go out on the town, and get laid.
So now replace places like Japan with Acturia.
Same story.
They are having breakfast, eating nast stuff, and one o the guys says, "I wish I were having some more of that Acturian poontang", infantry translation "i wish I were eating pussy instead of this".
Other guys will then make follow up comments, such as using it to give eachother shit, "the one you had was male", is jokingly calling him gay.
Not to different from jokes like "no, have you?"
QuoteHave you ever served in the Military? Any combat units?
Any space combat units that visit other planets?
What you say is well and good, but we're talking about slightly expanded horizons than Japan.
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2007, 04:03:24 AM
QuoteHave you ever served in the Military? Any combat units?
Any space combat units that visit other planets?
What you say is well and good, but we're talking about slightly expanded horizons than Japan.
Basically what you're saying is that the Alien universe is like the Star Trek universe. This has not been established in any of the movies. It's actually a lot more like Firefly - with different human colonies.
Thats fine, it may just be a colony and not some nation.
Either way, that is the sort of comments that socially happen.
"the one you had was male" is nothing more than saying "ha ha you're gay".
The I see fanfic like walking legs with genetals etc.. and I ::)
I always just figured the Arcturans were colonists...I mean, it does stem from their discussion of dumb-ass colonists, and there's very little suggestion that they're some weird-o shit aliens.
But oddly enough, I never had any problem with the 'another bug-hunt' reference.
In my opinion, the universe the stories are set in contains otherwordly species (the aforementioend bugs) but no sentient life. (Other than Earth originated, natch.)
This is supported by the bug-hunt reference (establishing that aliens are known to exist) and the "How could they cut the power, they're animals, man!" line from Hudson, which shows his shock that some alien could possibly think of something so calculated.
All IMO, of course.
QuoteIt's actually a lot more like Firefly - with different human colonies.
We know there are extraterrestrial species from Hudson's comment about bug hunts and "whoopy f**king do" Ripley saw an Alien once. Having some of these as sentient or semi-sentient isn't a stretch in the slightest.
And no I'm not saying it's like Star Trek... ::)
Quote"the one you had was male" is nothing more than saying "ha ha you're gay".
Considering Frost has "Heath" on his armour this isn't a stretch either.
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2007, 04:20:08 AM
QuoteIt's actually a lot more like Firefly - with different human colonies.
We know there are extraterrestrial species from Hudson's comment about bug hunts and "whoopy f**king do" Ripley saw an Alien once. Having some of these as sentient or semi-sentient isn't a stretch in the slightest.
No, it's a HUGE difference if their sentient or not. Finding intelligent life on another planet is extremely remote, but finding animals would be more common.
QuoteAnd no I'm not saying it's like Star Trek... ::)
Humans and aliens living together and having sex sounds like Star Trek to me.
All that means is you need to get out more.
QuoteNo, it's a HUGE difference if their sentient or not. Finding intelligent life on another planet is extremely remote, but finding animals would be more common.
Why?
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2007, 04:20:08 AM
Considering Frost has "Heath" on his armour this isn't a stretch either.
Lots of possibilities there.
Could have been his first name.
May be a buddy of his who died and he remembers him this way.
Could be some in-joke.
Or he could be gay.
There are lots of people in the military these days that I would figure were gay, actually I am pretty sure my old Platoon Sergeant was gay too, and in some units, like the way mine ran, no one really gave a shit.
There were more jokes about it than anything else.
You would hear and say things like "hey, you two, get over here before I rape the both of you".
Just goofy joking you see in some combat units. Some of the stuff we did/said would be borderline comedy movie antics besides the fact we were in Route Irish Bahgdad, and that is not the safest place on earth to be.
Interestingly enough, and to show how close to home this is, my squad leader actually had met a girlfriend from Thailand.
They had an "internet relationship" for several months.
Well, one day when they were webccaming, Sergeant Paul found out something interesting about his Thai girlfriend.
Their relationship did not last, and WE as his Squad NEVER let him live it down after he told us. NO one got mad or anything, but we would joke about it with him non-stop, sort of like a running gag.
Mark "Conan" Stevens, (
also my top vote for a Pred actor) has a website he runs from Thailand, and he actually talks about that sort of thing going on there. Could give some insight on Acturian culture...
http://www.conanstevens.com/tall-actors-giant-life/tall-giant-in-thailand/10-top-ways-to-spot-a-ladyboy-katoey-in-thailand.html
'Heath' could quite easily be short for Heather, also. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)
I considered that but found it unlikely.
QuoteMark "Conan" Stevens, (also my top vote for a Pred actor) has a website he runs from Thailand, and he actually talks about that sort of thing going on there. Could give some insight on Acturian culture...
http://www.conanstevens.com/tall-actors-giant-life/tall-giant-in-thailand/10-top-ways-to-spot-a-ladyboy-katoey-in-thailand.html
Ref: My post way back about Patpong Rd.
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2007, 04:34:47 AM
All that means is you need to get out more.
Ah, no... This is the Aliens universe. I think I would kill myself if they turned it into Star Trek.
QuoteNo, it's a HUGE difference if their sentient or not. Finding intelligent life on another planet is extremely remote, but finding animals would be more common.
Why?
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See the drake equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation).
Never mind equations. There's already another sentient species. Possibly two if one counts AvP.
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2007, 04:41:29 AM
Never mind equations. There's already another sentient species. Possibly two if one counts AvP.
You mean the Jockeys?
Yes.
The universe is a big place...I'm sure there's more than 3 sentient species. Well, 4 if we count Aliens. Which I guess we can.
I've got no problem with Arcturus being a spot for a little marine R&R, nor that they were joking with Frost by calling him gay (whether he actually was or not - probably irrelevant). That all I pretty much took as a given anyway.
I've known some military guys, so I know the type; hell, me and my friends regularly do the same type of thing. You don't have to be in the army to point at a friend, go "ha ha ur gay" and giggle.
Plus, I was pretty much making Arcturus into a kind of "space Hong Kong" in an interstellar Vietnam-area for my game. There's lot of anti-colonial rebellion in that region of space, and Arcturus is the biggest colony in the area, so it's where the Colonial's take their furloughs.
Of course, that's all equivalent to fan fiction, as Meathead said, so it doesn't really many anything for the movie-verse as a whole. In general, however, with Space Jockey's about (somewhere, or maybe only in the past), Aliens (which may or may not be sentient, but are definitely dangerously intelligent), and maybe Predators (if you swing that way), I thought it would be interesting to play in the sandbox a little and let there be a few more non-major alien races scattered about.
It can kind of add to the "corporate exploitation" theme; the Company comes in to a habited planet, talks nice to the local aliens, and then pulls an interstellar American Indians on them.
Damn the man!
-Pax
* As discussed in the mess hall in Aliens.
Do you think that these are another race of aliens that humans know about and have contact with? Or are they simply people of a particular origin - maybe some people who were born and raised on a certain colony - in the same sense that people can be "Hawaiians" or "Australians"?
My impression from the dialogue is that this is probably another alien race (since apparently both men and women look equally feminine), also probably humanoid if we can have sex with them.
My opinion is they're an androgynous extraterrestrial species, but ultimately who or what they are is unknown.
I think the old Aliens RPG describes them as a barely sentient humanoid hive based species.
Since it was made clear to Ridley Scott by the producers that the Alien universe wasn't a Star Trek or Star Wars universe with all kinds of humanoid aliens running about, I felt that the Arcturians were just colonists in the Red Light district of the galaxy in the Arcturus system who have a reputation for being blatantly sexual.
Also, with James Cameron making comments about peoples' attitudes toward sex in the time of Aliens being more relaxed, I also felt that Frost might have been AC/DC and didn't mind accidentally hooking up with a convincing tranny after learning about his gender.
well...always thought it was sometihng they ate...like an alien animal lol i might have to pay attition to that part alot more lol
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Aug 20, 2007, 01:19:48 AM
well...always thought it was sometihng they ate...like an alien animal lol i might have to pay attition to that part alot more lol
Well, I'll tell you that Poon Tang (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poon+tang) wasn't a new flavor of a well-known powdered drink once used by astronauts...
QuoteI also felt that Frost might have been AC/DC and didn't mind accidentally hooking up with a convincing tranny after learning about his gender.
Indeed. He did have 'Heath' painted on his armour after all.
I always got the notion that humankind in the Aliens universe had never encountered or contacted extraterrestrial species before - except for vague remnants. Which is why the company have a policy of investigating anything of a possible intelligent origin.
Certainly they have encountered other species of aliens, that aren't intelligent. The comment by Hudson "another bug hunt" seems to confirm this.
YOU GUYS ARE READING INTO THIS WAY TOO FAR.
The Infantry guys always joke about sex, constantly.
I know this for a FACT.
Anywhere they go they try to get laid.
If the culture and customs of whatever area they are in put them in a possible situation to get laid, they will.
The joke about "the one you had was male", is just a jab calling him "gay".
Does not mean he nailed a tranny, or a Hermaphrodite, it is just saying "haha you screwed a dude and your gay". He is just making a JOKE.
Acturians are probably just another Colony outpost, and when they were on a Similar mission as the one to Hadely's Hope (except for the aliens), actually just having a small situation like a downed transmitter, they stayed for a while, posted there, and had sex with the locals. Called "getting poontang".
That's it, Acturians are human colonists. They Marines had sex with some of them. Probably all were actually female.
In your opinion.
A more valid opinion than "Arcturians are extraterrestrials" though. :P
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 20, 2007, 02:34:09 AM
The joke about "the one you had was male", is just a jab calling him "gay".
Does not mean he nailed a tranny, or a Hermaphrodite, it is just saying "haha you screwed a dude and your gay". He is just making a JOKE.
I agree that he was probably making a joke, but Crowe's response of "It doesn't matter when they're Arturians!" does NOT sound like a joke.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2007, 03:00:21 AM
In your opinion.
SM Sorry,
I just figured my 6 years in Infantry would add something to my opinion.
Bishop2Yeah, because Crowe couldn't have just been Jokingly implying that Arturian's were all pussies. ::)
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 20, 2007, 03:47:56 AM
Bishop2
Yeah, because Crowe couldn't have just been Jokingly implying that Arturian's were all pussies. ::)
If that's what he was going for, the logic was so insanely circuitous that I doubt most of the people at the table got it. :P
QuoteI just figured my 6 years in Infantry would add something to my opinion.
Not especially.
You could very well be correct, but it's still just theory.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Aug 20, 2007, 03:47:56 AM
I just figured my 6 years in Infantry would add something to my opinion.
But your six months in the infantry weren't over 150 years from now, were they? :P
As I've said before, the producers of this franchise told Ridley Scott that this isn't a universe populated by other sentient beings, a la Star Wars or Star Trek.
That said, you can either choose to believe that Hudson, Drake, Hicks, Apone, and all the others either screw other human beings scattered across the cosmos, or that they f**k lower animals.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2007, 12:10:20 AM
I think the old Aliens RPG describes them as a barely sentient humanoid hive based species.
BARELY sentient? Great, so that would essentially make our marine troupe a bunch of rapists.
Quote from: maledoro on Aug 20, 2007, 09:36:12 AM
As I've said before, the producers of this franchise told Ridley Scott that this isn't a universe populated by other sentient beings, a la Star Wars or Star Trek.
But that was something that was said to him back on
Alien when we knew shockingly little about the franchise's universe anyway. Back then there was no Queen either, after all. A lot has changed. There's plenty of dialogue in Aliens that implies the existence of other extraterrestrials... if some of them were sentient and f**kable, would that be such a surprise?
Quote from: Bishop2 on Aug 20, 2007, 03:56:22 AM
If that's what he was going for, the logic was so insanely circuitous that I doubt most of the people at the table got it. :P
No, they would have understood quite well.
That is how a LOT of Military in-jokes sound.
Change the word Arturia with Thailand for example. Say there was a hypothetical peace keeping mission there, some of the guys got laid.
Now replace the word, Arturia, with Thai, and you get the same result, the same kind of humor.
By the Way: Nice use of the word "Circuitous" :), it is appropriate for a lot of Military in-jokes.
It was just regular lower enlisted banter, and that is the way they talk when around themselves.
Translated simply.
1. Remember eating pussy in Arturia? that was great getting laid there.
2. Hah ha, the one you had sex with was a dude.
3. It doesn't matter because they are all pussies. It just gets said in a more "Circuitous" manner, just like what you saw in the movie.
I used to try to figure out what an Arturian is too.
After not having seen the movie for a while, and spending time in the military, when I saw it again, it made perfect sense, and was far simpler of an explanation.
I agree.
Arcturians where just Colonists.
Like LV-426...
Some of the marines had sex with some.
That's it.
Sometimes people read way too much into some of the lines...
Quote from: Bishop2 on Aug 20, 2007, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2007, 12:10:20 AM
I think the old Aliens RPG describes them as a barely sentient humanoid hive based species.
BARELY sentient? Great, so that would essentially make our marine troupe a bunch of rapists.
I warned you all to be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Aug 20, 2007, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Aug 20, 2007, 09:36:12 AM
As I've said before, the producers of this franchise told Ridley Scott that this isn't a universe populated by other sentient beings, a la Star Wars or Star Trek.
But that was something that was said to him back on Alien when we knew shockingly little about the franchise's universe anyway. Back then there was no Queen either, after all. A lot has changed. There's plenty of dialogue in Aliens that implies the existence of other extraterrestrials... if some of them were sentient and f**kable, would that be such a surprise?
First off, the producers that talked to Ridley Scott are the same people who were involved with
Aliens, so the same rule would apply. And there isn't that much dialogue that implies that the marines had encountered sentient life. The closest would be the "Arcturian Poon-Tang", but, as you can see, it's not definite.
Anyone care to discuss what Frost was talking about when he brought up 'octurian poontang' during the breakfast scene? Another alien species, perhaps?
Frost: "Sure wouldn't mind getting some more of that octurian poontang, remember that time?" (High-fives Hudson)
Hudson: "You know it!"
Spunkmeyer: "But the one that you had was male!"
Frost: "Hey, it don't matter when it's octurian baby!
This scene cracks me up every time I see it, but it makes me wonder, have the colonial marines been going on bug-hunts before the events in Aliens? It seems like they have. Hudson does ask Gorman if their current mission was another bug hunt. Just a thought...
"Arcturan", if I'm not mistaken.
Okay, let's break this down.
When Ridley Scott had suggested that Ash was to be a Martian, he was taken aside by the producers who told him what kind of universe Alien was going to be set it. It was going to be one where mankind would be totally isolated; unlike one in either Star Trek or Star Wars, where intelligent aliens were tooling around in spaceships. Those producers were not only the guiding hand of Alien, but also of Aliens and Alien³ as well.
In some of the documentaries on the Quadrilogy and in some interviews, James Cameron had stated that by the time of Alien and Aliens, people will be more open about their sexuality and will undergo procedures to change their gender if they so desire. He points out that during Ripley's inquest that on the dossiers of the Nostromo's crewmembers, one of the things listed is "Gender" with "Natural" right after it. He also comments on the androgynous woman at Ripley's inquest.
So, since there are no intelligent aliens in the Alien universe for the Sulaco marines to screw, the Arcturians would have to be either human colonists from the Arcturus system, or lower animals; and I just can't see Hicks screwing a space pig...
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^^^ I thought that they were just humans from a different system of planets, like you said.
I cant see hicks having sex with a space pig either.....maybe spunkmeyer :P :D
"The future is disgusting..."
well it could always be worse. uwe boll could win an oscar, paul anderson directing a taxi driver remake :o
I'll take that over trannies and space pigs, thank you.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 05, 2008, 08:41:14 PM
I'll take that over trannies and space pigs, thank you.
wow just wow
maybe it was just another intelligent race that was similare to humans. in the alien films, man travals the univers and other planets, so the yare bound to find some sentient creatures
I always figured it was a colony, but yeah, nothing wrong with that idea for the future. People forget that it's easily acceptable if you're used to it. I'm sure if you grew up in an area where it was acceptable you wouldn't care. People act like Transexuals and gay people are new. :P They've been around for as long as humanity.
Quote"Arcturan", if I'm not mistaken.
Only slightly - Arcturian. Originating from Arcturus.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 05, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
Okay, let's break this down.
...
Damn you, Mal... :D You beat me to it.
...well, ya snooze ya loose. ;)
Good show, mate!
Lower life forms.
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 06, 2008, 05:30:39 AM
Lower life forms.
Congratulations. By that statement alone, you've set sexual mores back 2000 years. Everytime we watch
Aliens and hear the Arcturian reference, we can see Hicks & Co. in this light:
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Quote from: predfan69 on Jan 05, 2008, 09:57:56 AM
Anyone care to discuss what Frost was talking about when he brought up 'octurian poontang' during the breakfast scene? Another alien species, perhaps?
Probably the same thing as saying "Vegas poongtang" or "Bangkok poongtang" (a lot of lady-boys there)
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 06, 2008, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 06, 2008, 05:30:39 AM
Lower life forms.
Congratulations. By that statement alone, you've set sexual mores back 2000 years. Everytime we watch Aliens and hear the Arcturian reference, we can see Hicks & Co. in this light:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Dirty%20Smilies/e07c0cc9.gif
You should perhaps read more about the "interesting" situations in Viet Nam from which Cameron drew much before making your usual grandiose sweeping generic statements. Soldiers in the field don't have access to women and by Cameron's own notes the Colonial Marines in Aliens were generally the bottom of the barrel, Hicks included, who fulfilled the role of token "moral diamond in the rough" when contrasted against lifers like Vasquez and Drake.
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 07, 2008, 08:23:39 AM
You should perhaps read more about the "interesting" situations in Viet Nam from which Cameron drew much before making your usual grandiose sweeping generic statements. Soldiers in the field don't have access to women and by Cameron's own notes the Colonial Marines in Aliens were generally the bottom of the barrel, Hicks included, who fulfilled the role of token "moral diamond in the rough" when contrasted against lifers like Vasquez and Drake.
I'm aware of all that, and you've failed to realize that the
Sulaco marines had access to women
in their own team. Not to mention that on some worlds there would be some "juicy colonists' daughters" that would need to be "rescued from their virginity".
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What ALL of you fail to realize is that the Arcturian species is discussed in this book:
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"Aliens Adventure Game" by Leading Edge Games. Published in 1991.
Check it out...read it...it's an eye opener for all you "Arcturian poontang" lovers. ::)
The RPG is hardly canonical which is why those of course perfectly aware of the book didn't mention it.
Well, it has the ONLY description ever given of the Arcturians.
So if there's something else, besides all this speculation, I'd really love to know what it is.
It to is speculation.
And Xhan pretty much summed up what the RPG has to say.
It's one of those things meant to stay in the realm of an off-hand joke. Without being explained, it makes the comment that much more realistic, in terms of natural dialogue.
What did that book say?
I can't precisely remember, but something about barely sentient, humanoid, possibly subterranean(?), hive based creatures. Who are a good f**k I suppose.
Lower life forms liek the X Man said.
(From memory).
On the whole, I think Ferro would have been a prettier and almost certainly more hygienic option. :)
She was prolly busy having a menage a trois with Dietrich and Vasquez though.
Way to go Dietrich
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
I can't precisely remember, but something about barely sentient, humanoid, possibly subterranean(?), hive based creatures.
That part is in there.
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Who are a good f**k I suppose.
That part isn't.
there are other inelegant life forms in the alien universe, the space jockies and the predators are officially part of the universe now.
QuoteThat part isn't.
No need since it's in the film.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 07, 2008, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 07, 2008, 08:23:39 AM
You should perhaps read more about the "interesting" situations in Viet Nam from which Cameron drew much before making your usual grandiose sweeping generic statements. Soldiers in the field don't have access to women and by Cameron's own notes the Colonial Marines in Aliens were generally the bottom of the barrel, Hicks included, who fulfilled the role of token "moral diamond in the rough" when contrasted against lifers like Vasquez and Drake.
I'm aware of all that, and you've failed to realize that the Sulaco marines had access to women in their own team. Not to mention that on some worlds there would be some "juicy colonists' daughters" that would need to be "rescued from their virginity".
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If you haven't actually watched the movie then that would your fault, as Vasquez already has her boy toy, and neither Ferro nor Dietrich seem particularly interested in sharing. Facts and opinions not interchangeable. Cameron presented them as 10th dan horndogs on purpose, they weren't worried about snogging anything not nailed (daughters or otherwise) down because that's what Cameron wanted, and his script notes and "psych profiles" published in StarLog complement that perfectly.
Whether you like it or not is absolutely irrelevant.
Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2008, 04:01:18 AM
QuoteThat part isn't.
No need since it's in the film.
But the film doesn't say that the Arcturians are the same creatures in the role playing game book.
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 09, 2008, 04:15:23 AM
If you haven't actually watched the movie then that would your fault, as Vasquez already has her boy toy, and neither Ferro nor Dietrich seem particularly interested in sharing.
"Seem".
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 09, 2008, 04:15:23 AM
Facts and opinions not interchangeable.
I'm glad you realize this.
Always wanted to ask this - what the hell does it mean? Extraterrestrial trans-gender hookers?
Obviously of a sexual nature, Arcturian is just probably a reference to the world where the marines received said poontang. Maybe the locals had some unusual sexual practices?
Must've been unusual if the sex of the hooker didn't really matter.
It could even be that they were not human, Cameron does allude to the existence of other alien races with little things like the 'Bug Stompers' icon the marines on the Sulaco use.
I don't think it was ever specified, it was just put in there to make the marines seem like they'd been together for a long time, and maybe show that they were pretty close friends, not to expand the 'lore' of the Alien universe, as it were.
The Arcturians are probably just humans. One of the marines was probably suckered into a compromising situation with another dude.
I've always considered 'bug hunt' lingo for a mission that's wasted time and has no action.
QuoteThe Arcturians are probably just humans.
Yeah, Arcturus may be a colony, planet, solar system, etc. And the inhabitants are referred to as Arcturians. Got it.
Makes more sense than alien hookers anyway. :)
It simply refers to sex with Arcturians (be they native or colonists).
"Accept the one you had was a male."
"It don't matter when its Arcturian baby."
I loved Frost. To bad he got it early.
Arcturus = The Bangkok of outer space.
Simple as that.
Confucius say man who walk sideways through sliding airport door going to Bangkok.
(And coming up next on 1960s racist humour...)
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 05, 2010, 03:31:33 AM
"Accept the one you had was a male."
"It don't matter when its Arcturian baby."
I loved Frost. To bad he got it early.
Him and Wierzbowski both.
Quote from: SM on Jan 05, 2010, 04:19:54 AM
Confucius say man who walk sideways through sliding airport door going to Bangkok.
:D
Is it still forbidden to enter a woman in a Bangkok temple?
I think some of the women we have been posting on the "hottest women" thread are fine examples of Arcturian poon-tang. Just joking, fellas!
Sorry to revive such an old thread, but the new books do shed some light on the Arcturians.
Spoiler
River of Pain which is set a little before Aliens states that Weyland-Yutani has had Arcturian trading partners and that humans have met some other intelligent beings, some hostile and some friendly.
Sea of Sorrows which is set towards the end of the 25th century says that the Arcturians were the first intelligent race to have been discovered by humanity, and these encounters with other races inspired Weyland-Yutani and other companies to focus on technological advancement to make sure humans don't lag behind, maybe this trading with Arcturians helped.
When new alien ruins are discovered on LV-178, it is said to be the greatest discovery made, as great as the discovery of the Arcturians.
And now in the new Rage War trilogy, Tim Lebbon teases that they'd be mentioned again.
Another author said that there are more plans for them, I don't know what they have in store for this elusive species.
For what it's worth, I always imagine the alien from Dark Star is what an Arcturian looks like.
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I don't think it would matter...
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I don't think it would matter...
Oh good grief... a beach ball with 20 vaginas and webbed feet. No. Just NO. :laugh: