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Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 15, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 15, 2017, 04:33:56 PMI like the idea of keeping the government out of it. Like how the CIA would do things where the US government would have either no idea or be given false information instead, like in the movie "American Made". So, maybe the given agency gets a hold off the technology and shoots to the top via the help of Weyland or Yutani industries before the merger....more of a fanboy view of it.

Yeah, something like that.
I was thinking of a government agency asking WY for help because they're experts. But they'd keep certain things for themselves.
Or someone working for the agency is also working for WY.
Posted by DerelictShip
 - Dec 15, 2017, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 15, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PMYou could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

Thought about that too.
We know from Predator 2 the government or whoever it was, was interested.
Could easily be turned into a certain company, contracted by the government.

I like the idea of keeping the government out of it. Like how the CIA would do things where the US government would have either no idea or be given false information instead, like in the movie "American Made". So, maybe the given agency gets a hold off the technology and shoots to the top via the help of Weyland or Yutani industries before the merger....more of a fanboy view of it.
Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 15, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PMYou could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

Thought about that too.
We know from Predator 2 the government or whoever it was, was interested.
Could easily be turned into a certain company, contracted by the government.
Posted by Highland
 - Dec 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PM
Weyland Yutani could be a TV show for sure, but the movie versions would definitely have to ride off the back of the Alien title. You could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

It seems though we are all a bit late to the party on this and hindsight is a great thing. The studio screwed up the AVPs and now they've pretty much screwed up Scotts expansion. I'll give the old boy credit where it's due, he was on the right path with his first go and the studio appear to have screwed it yet again. It seems just like a recurring sequence, like Sony with Spiderman.

They've got something with potential, they just need to get the right heads together.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 15, 2017, 06:43:36 AM
I'm not sure I'm twisting anything. I certainly wasn't trying to.

Perhaps post again when you're less upset?
Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 15, 2017, 01:51:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 10:36:19 PMI could make the same argument about you ignoring the tone.  I didn't respond to your point - or in your words 'ignored' it -  because it wasn't worth pursuing that line of argument.  Neither of us was going to change our minds.

Overall I just have trouble finding your arguments convincing.

Thanks for the snark though.  That really helped.

Where am I ignoring the tone?
It'd still be horror. Either a horror-thriller (tone: Alien, Alien 3, Prometheus) or horror-action (tone: Aliens).
Or is it impossible to make a decent movie like that without xenomorphs?

Then why create those in the Alien universe? Because it fits said universe, because WY is a good jumping-off point for different kinds of movies, because WY is part of that universe.
Then why not an Alien Movie Universe? Because if there'd be movies with non-typical Alien stuff, like androids or creation, people would go, why is this part of the Alien Movie Universe?

Not pursuing the line of argument...
You assumed that I would exclude everything. In this case the work ethic. I said it could also be like in Prometheus. I never said to drop the whole thing. Then you go: "That effectively what you're telling me."
This isn't about changing eachother's minds, it's about you reading into things just because you don't like them.
Don't like what I say? Fine. But don't go twisting my words.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 14, 2017, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 14, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.

I provided a counter argument on the like or don't like job aspect.
Now you choose to ignore that and go back to something I've already addressed in previous posts.
Don't know if you have trouble accepting others' thoughts, are thick or just trolling.

I could make the same argument about you ignoring the tone.  I didn't respond to your point - or in your words 'ignored' it -  because it wasn't worth pursuing that line of argument.  Neither of us was going to change our minds.

Overall I just have trouble finding your arguments convincing.

Thanks for the snark though.  That really helped.
Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 14, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.

I provided a counter argument on the like or don't like job aspect.
Now you choose to ignore that and go back to something I've already addressed in previous posts.
Don't know if you have trouble accepting others' thoughts, are thick or just trolling.
Posted by Biomechanoid
 - Dec 14, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
I assumed the poll would be an indicator this concept would draw zero interest. But currently sitting at 50/50%, I guess I shouldn't make assumptions.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Dec 14, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
So it's Seinfeld set in the Alien universe?  A show about nothing?
Posted by SM
 - Dec 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.
Posted by Baron Von Marlon
 - Dec 14, 2017, 09:50:28 PM
Again you're assuming everything would be excluded.

The mix of people who'd love their job and those who don't, worked well in Prometheus.
So what would it matter if there's one or a few who'd actually like what they're doing. Doesn't mean everyone has to like their job.

Also, I think it's nice for a change that someone does something considered dangerous (and stupid) out of personal interest in the subject.
Unlike the typical grunt who just does it because he's considered less-educated or something.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 14, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
Indeed. It's even present in Prometheus. Less so in Covenant.  It's part if the universe. If you want to ditch the Alien and the corporate shit kicker tone, you move further and further away from the unique aspects of the universe. Why bother?
Posted by OpenMaw
 - Dec 14, 2017, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 14, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Who cares if they're just doing a job and if they enjoy it or not. It's a movie.

Well, it's one of the bedrock pieces of tone and theme that we are exposed to over and over in the first three films. "This job sucks" is part and parcel to the original films, and it's a big piece of what makes the films feel grounded and real. They aren't dudes in nifty space-jump suits going around being all noble and stuff. They're blue collar people working a job, serving in the military, running prisons, generally just getting on with life.

Posted by SM
 - Dec 14, 2017, 07:23:05 PM
QuoteWho cares if they're just doing a job and if they enjoy it or not. It's a movie.

It's also not Star Trek.  If you want to boldly go - there's plenty of Star Trek to go around.
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