Quote from: Wweyland on Nov 04, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
Just discovered this thread after writing a short article on the same subject.
I guess we can agree that it was a rip-off.
https://www.avpcentral.com/prometheus-rips-off-avp
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jan 23, 2013, 04:39:39 AM
I'm gonna throw in a link to my list of references/homages in Prometheus to give some context on just how much of Prometheus was recycled from other films in the franchise. Hint, it's like 90% of the film.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Feb 01, 2014, 01:50:30 AM
Apart from the head, I would argue that the Engineers are even more Alien than the original Space Jockey when in their jumpsuits, which offer an extremely giger-esque aesthetic, more so than the bio suit's huge ribcage and elephantine head-piece.
Quote from: Gazz on Apr 01, 2014, 03:23:11 PMYou're alluding to both works having a 'pyramid'. Why would Anderson credit someone he's 'ripping off' (even if he was, as the concept ended up in the bin on Alien, Anderson could always plead ignorance and coincidence)?! Talk about asking for a lawsuit. No, a tip of the hat with O'Bannon & Shusett's blessing is all that was.Quote from: Gash on Mar 31, 2014, 01:48:29 AMQuote from: Litshttam on Mar 31, 2014, 12:52:04 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 11, 2014, 04:37:50 AMYou're either a Scott-apologist or easily hoodwinked.Quote from: Litshttam on Feb 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PMQuote from: Gash on Jan 26, 2014, 04:48:04 PMYes, a hack; his Prometheus is AvP Mk. II, as evidenced by myself and my predecessors in this thread. I have serious doubts as to the validity of Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AvP. Maybe he made the claim to pre-emptively quash the realization that Prometheus is a downright rip-off of Anderson's movie (your opinion of which is beside the point).Quote from: Litshttam on Jan 20, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Unless Paul W.S. Anderson time-travelled to 2012 before he began crafting AvP in 1994, er, no.
Three other 'coincidental' similarities no-one else has touched upon (that I can be bothered to verify, anyway); both at-the-end chestburst victims were played by Ian Whyte, real movie footage is watched ('Frankenstein vs The Wolfman' in AvP / 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in Prometheus) and the vessels used to reach the setting begin with the letter 'P' (Piper Maru *don't get me started on the black goo X Files thing!* in AvP / the eponymous Prometheus).
Mr. Scott's a hack these days.
Why? Because someone came along and took ideas that were all part of ALIEN's development and tacked them into a cheesy spin off franchise? Scott comes back and develops the ideas that he didn't have the time or budget for in 78, gives them more scope and gravitas than WSA ever could and he's a hack? Right.Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 27, 2014, 01:04:30 AMOh yeah, well spotted!
Even Predators seems to take a few Ideas from AVP: 3 predators, foot print detecting predator vision, hologram displayed by wrist computer, "The enemy of my enemy...", projectile wrist blades.
For a film that's supposedly so terrible, filmmakers really love ripping it off.
If anything, any peripheral similarities between AvP and Prometheus pretty much prove the point that Scott didn't see it and didn't care to. He rekindled elements from ALIEN's development /pre production era, unaware that Anderson had plundered it in the meantime. I'd say that was his right, and he did the ideas more justice.
Neither. AvP was clearly a mishmash of ideas ranging as far back as Star Beast. I prefer Prometheus because Ridley, (+ O'Bannon, Giger, Cobb, Foss, etc) had involvement with those ideas as they were being developed, even if they were then discarded due to budgetary constraints and story requirements. I therefore see a greater connection than a 'comic book cash in. I dislike AvP because it takes some of those ideas, mixes them with Predator and offers up something that feels like little more than a platform computer game.
And the proof is right there in AvP's credit list. It's because Anderson ripped off Alien's discarded ideas that O Bannon and Shussett ended up with a story credit for AvP and not just the usual 'based on characters by'.
Quote from: Gash on Mar 31, 2014, 01:48:29 AMQuote from: Litshttam on Mar 31, 2014, 12:52:04 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 11, 2014, 04:37:50 AMYou're either a Scott-apologist or easily hoodwinked.Quote from: Litshttam on Feb 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PMQuote from: Gash on Jan 26, 2014, 04:48:04 PMYes, a hack; his Prometheus is AvP Mk. II, as evidenced by myself and my predecessors in this thread. I have serious doubts as to the validity of Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AvP. Maybe he made the claim to pre-emptively quash the realization that Prometheus is a downright rip-off of Anderson's movie (your opinion of which is beside the point).Quote from: Litshttam on Jan 20, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Unless Paul W.S. Anderson time-travelled to 2012 before he began crafting AvP in 1994, er, no.
Three other 'coincidental' similarities no-one else has touched upon (that I can be bothered to verify, anyway); both at-the-end chestburst victims were played by Ian Whyte, real movie footage is watched ('Frankenstein vs The Wolfman' in AvP / 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in Prometheus) and the vessels used to reach the setting begin with the letter 'P' (Piper Maru *don't get me started on the black goo X Files thing!* in AvP / the eponymous Prometheus).
Mr. Scott's a hack these days.
Why? Because someone came along and took ideas that were all part of ALIEN's development and tacked them into a cheesy spin off franchise? Scott comes back and develops the ideas that he didn't have the time or budget for in 78, gives them more scope and gravitas than WSA ever could and he's a hack? Right.Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 27, 2014, 01:04:30 AMOh yeah, well spotted!
Even Predators seems to take a few Ideas from AVP: 3 predators, foot print detecting predator vision, hologram displayed by wrist computer, "The enemy of my enemy...", projectile wrist blades.
For a film that's supposedly so terrible, filmmakers really love ripping it off.
If anything, any peripheral similarities between AvP and Prometheus pretty much prove the point that Scott didn't see it and didn't care to. He rekindled elements from ALIEN's development /pre production era, unaware that Anderson had plundered it in the meantime. I'd say that was his right, and he did the ideas more justice.
Neither. AvP was clearly a mishmash of ideas ranging as far back as Star Beast. I prefer Prometheus because Ridley, (+ O'Bannon, Giger, Cobb, Foss, etc) had involvement with those ideas as they were being developed, even if they were then discarded due to budgetary constraints and story requirements. I therefore see a greater connection than a 'comic book cash in. I dislike AvP because it takes some of those ideas, mixes them with Predator and offers up something that feels like little more than a platform computer game.
Quote from: Litshttam on Mar 31, 2014, 12:52:04 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 11, 2014, 04:37:50 AMYou're either a Scott-apologist or easily hoodwinked.Quote from: Litshttam on Feb 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PMQuote from: Gash on Jan 26, 2014, 04:48:04 PMYes, a hack; his Prometheus is AvP Mk. II, as evidenced by myself and my predecessors in this thread. I have serious doubts as to the validity of Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AvP. Maybe he made the claim to pre-emptively quash the realization that Prometheus is a downright rip-off of Anderson's movie (your opinion of which is beside the point).Quote from: Litshttam on Jan 20, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Unless Paul W.S. Anderson time-travelled to 2012 before he began crafting AvP in 1994, er, no.
Three other 'coincidental' similarities no-one else has touched upon (that I can be bothered to verify, anyway); both at-the-end chestburst victims were played by Ian Whyte, real movie footage is watched ('Frankenstein vs The Wolfman' in AvP / 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in Prometheus) and the vessels used to reach the setting begin with the letter 'P' (Piper Maru *don't get me started on the black goo X Files thing!* in AvP / the eponymous Prometheus).
Mr. Scott's a hack these days.
Why? Because someone came along and took ideas that were all part of ALIEN's development and tacked them into a cheesy spin off franchise? Scott comes back and develops the ideas that he didn't have the time or budget for in 78, gives them more scope and gravitas than WSA ever could and he's a hack? Right.Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 27, 2014, 01:04:30 AMOh yeah, well spotted!
Even Predators seems to take a few Ideas from AVP: 3 predators, foot print detecting predator vision, hologram displayed by wrist computer, "The enemy of my enemy...", projectile wrist blades.
For a film that's supposedly so terrible, filmmakers really love ripping it off.
If anything, any peripheral similarities between AvP and Prometheus pretty much prove the point that Scott didn't see it and didn't care to. He rekindled elements from ALIEN's development /pre production era, unaware that Anderson had plundered it in the meantime. I'd say that was his right, and he did the ideas more justice.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 11, 2014, 04:37:50 AMYou're either a Scott-apologist or easily hoodwinked.Quote from: Litshttam on Feb 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PMQuote from: Gash on Jan 26, 2014, 04:48:04 PMYes, a hack; his Prometheus is AvP Mk. II, as evidenced by myself and my predecessors in this thread. I have serious doubts as to the validity of Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AvP. Maybe he made the claim to pre-emptively quash the realization that Prometheus is a downright rip-off of Anderson's movie (your opinion of which is beside the point).Quote from: Litshttam on Jan 20, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Unless Paul W.S. Anderson time-travelled to 2012 before he began crafting AvP in 1994, er, no.
Three other 'coincidental' similarities no-one else has touched upon (that I can be bothered to verify, anyway); both at-the-end chestburst victims were played by Ian Whyte, real movie footage is watched ('Frankenstein vs The Wolfman' in AvP / 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in Prometheus) and the vessels used to reach the setting begin with the letter 'P' (Piper Maru *don't get me started on the black goo X Files thing!* in AvP / the eponymous Prometheus).
Mr. Scott's a hack these days.
Why? Because someone came along and took ideas that were all part of ALIEN's development and tacked them into a cheesy spin off franchise? Scott comes back and develops the ideas that he didn't have the time or budget for in 78, gives them more scope and gravitas than WSA ever could and he's a hack? Right.Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 27, 2014, 01:04:30 AMOh yeah, well spotted!
Even Predators seems to take a few Ideas from AVP: 3 predators, foot print detecting predator vision, hologram displayed by wrist computer, "The enemy of my enemy...", projectile wrist blades.
For a film that's supposedly so terrible, filmmakers really love ripping it off.
If anything, any peripheral similarities between AvP and Prometheus pretty much prove the point that Scott didn't see it and didn't care to. He rekindled elements from ALIEN's development /pre production era, unaware that Anderson had plundered it in the meantime. I'd say that was his right, and he did the ideas more justice.
Quote from: Litshttam on Feb 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PMQuote from: Gash on Jan 26, 2014, 04:48:04 PMYes, a hack; his Prometheus is AvP Mk. II, as evidenced by myself and my predecessors in this thread. I have serious doubts as to the validity of Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AvP. Maybe he made the claim to pre-emptively quash the realization that Prometheus is a downright rip-off of Anderson's movie (your opinion of which is beside the point).Quote from: Litshttam on Jan 20, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Unless Paul W.S. Anderson time-travelled to 2012 before he began crafting AvP in 1994, er, no.
Three other 'coincidental' similarities no-one else has touched upon (that I can be bothered to verify, anyway); both at-the-end chestburst victims were played by Ian Whyte, real movie footage is watched ('Frankenstein vs The Wolfman' in AvP / 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in Prometheus) and the vessels used to reach the setting begin with the letter 'P' (Piper Maru *don't get me started on the black goo X Files thing!* in AvP / the eponymous Prometheus).
Mr. Scott's a hack these days.
Why? Because someone came along and took ideas that were all part of ALIEN's development and tacked them into a cheesy spin off franchise? Scott comes back and develops the ideas that he didn't have the time or budget for in 78, gives them more scope and gravitas than WSA ever could and he's a hack? Right.Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 27, 2014, 01:04:30 AMOh yeah, well spotted!
Even Predators seems to take a few Ideas from AVP: 3 predators, foot print detecting predator vision, hologram displayed by wrist computer, "The enemy of my enemy...", projectile wrist blades.
For a film that's supposedly so terrible, filmmakers really love ripping it off.