Posted by Valaquen
- Oct 16, 2012, 02:53:26 AMQuote from: whiterabbit on Oct 16, 2012, 02:52:37 AMMoney and rocks.
Yea it was all just a little misunderstanding here. When Fifield said that he loved rocks the Prometheus crew recruiters assumed he was a geologist. However we all know when Fifield said that he loved rocks, what he really meant was that he loved crack cocaine.
Makes sense!
Posted by whiterabbit
- Oct 16, 2012, 02:52:37 AMYea it was all just a little misunderstanding here. When Fifield said that he loved rocks the Prometheus crew recruiters assumed he was a geologist. However we all know when Fifield said that he loved rocks, what he really meant was that he loved crack cocaine.
Posted by ChrisPachi
- Oct 16, 2012, 01:55:08 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Oct 15, 2012, 11:01:42 AMOne of Jon Spaihts favorite scenes in the script was when Fifield and Milburn argue so much that they ignore their tracking devices and get lost somehow.
At least that would provide some kind of explanation. They are catastrophically stupid after all.
Posted by T Dog
- Oct 15, 2012, 11:35:27 AMActually he say's one of his favorite scenes is when they pussy out and want to go back to the ship, my mistake, but tremendous horror cliché boys. Top writing there.
He say's there's a scene cut where it shows them getting lost.
He say's there's a scene cut where it shows them getting lost.
Posted by Blacklabel
- Oct 15, 2012, 11:15:42 AMActually that was one of Lindelof's favourite scenes.
Posted by T Dog
- Oct 15, 2012, 11:01:42 AMListening to the commentary right now.
One of Jon Spaihts favorite scenes in the script was when Fifield and Milburn argue so much that they ignore their tracking devices and get lost somehow.
One of Jon Spaihts favorite scenes in the script was when Fifield and Milburn argue so much that they ignore their tracking devices and get lost somehow.
Posted by RagingDragon
- Oct 11, 2012, 12:20:35 AMI just wanted to say my piece. The goo bothered me, but I feel it's a minor problem. It's what they did with the damned goo, or failed to do.
To me, goo + Engineer were the point of the entire story. That's what I wanted to see. Hell, the goo is already responsible for human life (in some form) and obviously also responsible for the Xenomorphs. That moves it from sci-fi trope to central plot hinge.
Don't want to muddle the thread, though. The Senate convening is a mighty fine idea.
Dat tea?
To me, goo + Engineer were the point of the entire story. That's what I wanted to see. Hell, the goo is already responsible for human life (in some form) and obviously also responsible for the Xenomorphs. That moves it from sci-fi trope to central plot hinge.
Don't want to muddle the thread, though. The Senate convening is a mighty fine idea.
Dat tea?
Posted by urvile
- Oct 10, 2012, 10:42:17 PMYeah, so around 1:09:14 on the commentary, Lindelof says:
I'm a little confused by that statement. Was Fox enforcing their confidentiality agreement by holding their family hostage?
QuoteAt some point, I'm sure I'll talk extensively about why everybody needed to be so cagey about the prequel-ness of this movie, but uh... this commentary is probably not the time or the place
I'm a little confused by that statement. Was Fox enforcing their confidentiality agreement by holding their family hostage?
Posted by SpeedyMaxx
- Oct 10, 2012, 10:32:13 PMQuote from: RagingDragon on Oct 10, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
It's valiant of you to defend your yapping puppy sidekick
My what? Dude, he seems like a nice enough fellow, but we don't talk and I don't have a clue who he is. I just come here for the drugs and free ass. And also discussion of scary science-fiction movies.
As for any claims of plagiarism, that sad old debate over the black stuff killed at least one big thread for pages and pages before the moderators clamped down on it for behavior and some unfortunate ragequit kicked in for people. Me, I don't see a point in revisiting it now for more drama. Suffice to say that I said my piece then, as did plenty of other people - to me, it's an old, old horror/sci-fi trope that goes way back which bears a few superficial similarities to the property you mentioned but does not, IMO, equate to the same thing in the final analysis. And I don't think the general public really thought that either. Some people disagree, and that's their business, but the last lockdown proved it wasn't something everyone would agree on, and that's okay.
There are no cold, hard metrics to prove a garden-variety Internet argument about a movie some people like and some people don't. The closest we could come, if we wanted to be lazy (I don't) is a critical and financial averaging - the film did well financially and did pretty decent critically, but reception was definitely divided nonetheless. So in the end we're back where we started. Some people like it, some people don't, and I doubt the Senate is going to convene a subcommittee over whether or not Prometheus is objectively a scientifically proven "good" or "bad" movie.
I don't consider myself an expert on anything, anywhere, but I did take exception to the tacky belittling of the guy, and the allegation that anyone who would dare like the movie or its plot is just a philistine who does not understand art, film or hard work. Because that's just not so. And honestly, it's just not that serious. Like Hitchcock said, "Ingrid...it's only a mooovie."
QuoteI'd love some tea.
Fantastic!
Posted by RagingDragon
- Oct 10, 2012, 10:20:14 PMIt's valiant of you to defend your yapping puppy sidekick 
but what you've said has very little relevance to my post. True art? What are you talking about? I'd love some tea.
I'm talking about storytelling basics, here. Rookie mistakes that can be pointed out by anyone. They require much less than an expert surrounded by experts such as yourself.
The black goo thing is significant, and this significance should be clear to any writer.
It's a trend to want to avoid overt plagiarism, especially when your Director and the marketing around your film are toting it as some second-coming for science-fiction. It would be different if it were some secondary plot device, but it's the main crux of the entire film and could well end up being the origin of both humanity and the Alien.
Pretty big deal to me, and I'm obviously not alone.
but what you've said has very little relevance to my post. True art? What are you talking about? I'd love some tea.I'm talking about storytelling basics, here. Rookie mistakes that can be pointed out by anyone. They require much less than an expert surrounded by experts such as yourself.
The black goo thing is significant, and this significance should be clear to any writer.It's a trend to want to avoid overt plagiarism, especially when your Director and the marketing around your film are toting it as some second-coming for science-fiction. It would be different if it were some secondary plot device, but it's the main crux of the entire film and could well end up being the origin of both humanity and the Alien.
Pretty big deal to me, and I'm obviously not alone.
Posted by SpeedyMaxx
- Oct 10, 2012, 10:06:07 PMQuote from: RagingDragon on Oct 10, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
People that create give a shit. Writers give a shit. Filmmakers give a shit. The thousands of people struggling like hell to market their own wildly creative and well-made products give a shit.
I do write for a living and work hard in the industry, I do write for film, and yet I liked it. As did my boss, who is a filmmaker, and plenty of people I know. So it's not just the bean town rubes, hmm? There's no need to paint anyone as vacuous know-nothings who don't understand true art. Let's calm down and take another series of deep cleansing breaths, shall we? Would you like some tea?
Posted by RagingDragon
- Oct 10, 2012, 09:37:35 PMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 26, 2012, 01:29:32 PM
Prometheus for me is a beguiling mess. I enjoyed it the more I saw it, but it played it so safe, so much so that you could see it in the editing and most of the choices that were made. It was clear that Fox had more control then Ridely did.
I do find it funny how one person's opinion about the X Files comparison puts so many in a tizzy. Who gives a shit? The person in question loathed the film. That one device didn't sink the film for them. This should come as no surprise that the ammunition is unending.
Personally, I loved it and disliked it. The portion of the film that was derailed is impossible to side-step and it dumbs down (for me) so much of the good that is lost. But, the beauty of art is the opinions it culls, none right, none wrong.
People that create give a shit. Writers give a shit. Filmmakers give a shit. The thousands of people struggling like hell to market their own wildly creative and well-made products give a shit.
You don't, though, do ya? Don't give a shit that the two biggest points of the film, one being the mystery goo that was both ripped-off while being unexplained to the point of absurdity, and the other being the Engineer whose very soul and meaning were cut from the final film, were totally empty and ineffective for what everyone thought the film was trying to convey?
BethesdaSea don't give a shit!
Posted by urvile
- Oct 10, 2012, 07:44:55 PMI need to go back and listen to it, but Lindelof says something to the effect of "sorry for being so cryptic about the Alien connection, but I can't really talk about it right now" huh?
Posted by Tough little S.O.B.
- Sep 28, 2012, 09:19:57 AMGenius compared to the other two at least.
Posted by SpeedyMaxx
- Sep 28, 2012, 09:14:51 AMHe's a great writer. But genius the original script was not. It was way too on the nose IMO, starting with setting it on LV-426.
