Posted by Kimarhi
- May 11, 2014, 04:59:39 AMFifty minutes, plus the great bitch fight, plus Ripley probably looking around for any Aliens on board, plus them going into hibernation. The egg might've been laid in Aliens but it didn't hatch until Alien 3. It could've taken way longer to develop than an egg sac egg.
Posted by SM
- May 10, 2014, 09:34:26 PMQuote from: judge death on May 10, 2014, 09:07:21 PMQuote from: SM on May 10, 2014, 12:21:52 PMFaster than 3 hours with egg sack
Don't know if one egg in 50 minutes is "fast".
The what now?
Posted by FiorinaFury161
- May 10, 2014, 09:11:19 PMQuote from: Kimarhi on May 10, 2014, 05:40:57 AMI did
I think he means post Ripley bombardment.
Posted by judge death
- May 10, 2014, 09:07:21 PMQuote from: SM on May 10, 2014, 12:21:52 PMFaster than 3 hours with egg sack
Don't know if one egg in 50 minutes is "fast".
Posted by SM
- May 10, 2014, 12:21:52 PMDon't know if one egg in 50 minutes is "fast".
Posted by HuDaFuK
- May 10, 2014, 09:15:41 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on May 09, 2014, 03:52:18 PMThe queen had the entire flight back to the Sulaco to lay the egg and the egg itself could continue to develop until its activation at the start of Alien 3.But again, that renders the egg sac completely useless if she can just plop out an egg that fast.
Posted by Kimarhi
- May 10, 2014, 05:40:57 AMI think he means post Ripley bombardment.
Posted by SM
- May 10, 2014, 12:40:35 AMProblem is, the Queen was completely clueless that her colony was about to be eliminated.
Posted by FiorinaFury161
- May 10, 2014, 12:04:43 AMI always thought (even back when I was learning the series): The queen could go thru an "emergency preservation" cycle if she felt the entirety of colony (or herself) was at risk of being eliminated. The cycle for that royal egg could take a half hour at most. A little far-fetched, but we all have seen worse.
Posted by Kimarhi
- May 09, 2014, 03:52:18 PMThe queen had the entire flight back to the Sulaco to lay the egg and the egg itself could continue to develop until its activation at the start of Alien 3.
Posted by judge death
- May 09, 2014, 12:33:39 PMFrom what I know a queen alien cant lay eggs without her eggsack/ovipositor since the eggs needs time to mature inside it before being laid, now how a eggsack is created and if she can make a new one after ripley ruined it? My own question would be since I cant see the queen manage to hang herself up my guess is that the eggsack when she is young and alone is just positioned on the floor and she later get hanged up in her position we see in Aliens movie.
I doubt Ripley managed to destroy all eggs since they were clearly laid all over the place and like HudaFuk say they should be in other rooms as well.
Hmm I dont know how the queen either could get out from her nest, the walkways Ripley uses have barely enough space for Ripley and a xeno warrior to walk through, dunno how a queen would fit through them?
My own studies and anchorpointessays.com also comes to the same conclusion: The queen lays one egg each third hour. So 3 hours for each egg to be laid, not a super fast way to reproduce compared to ants and how people imagine it here
I doubt Ripley managed to destroy all eggs since they were clearly laid all over the place and like HudaFuk say they should be in other rooms as well.
Hmm I dont know how the queen either could get out from her nest, the walkways Ripley uses have barely enough space for Ripley and a xeno warrior to walk through, dunno how a queen would fit through them?
My own studies and anchorpointessays.com also comes to the same conclusion: The queen lays one egg each third hour. So 3 hours for each egg to be laid, not a super fast way to reproduce compared to ants and how people imagine it here
Posted by HuDaFuK
- May 09, 2014, 09:40:00 AMQuote from: Xenomorphine on May 09, 2014, 09:11:23 AMAnd we're also lleft with the issue of... Where would she find an egg which wasn't already set on fire?That one at least is easy to explain - when the Marines first find the colonists there are (empty) eggs lying around, and yet they aren't in the Queen's chamber. It makes sense that they'd be moved to other areas after they are laid, otherwise there'd just be a huge pile of them all around the Queen. So maybe she grabbed one en route.
Posted by Xenomorphine
- May 09, 2014, 09:11:23 AMQuote from: Kimarhi on May 09, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
unless it lets her rapidly produce eggs whereas not having one wouldn't.
Given the relatively small amount of time she would have to lay one (and place it), I'm not sure it's got a huge speed advantage. We saw in 'Aliens' how the ones at an early period of development are very primitive and pale. They clearly need to mature while still within her and I'd guess that, given that she's not exactly machine-gunning them out (especially if we factor in how there's not another 'egg laying' noise heard in the background after Ripley sees the first getting deposited), it takes a fair while for them to get along her biological conveyor belt and get shunted out. Looks like it could be at least a whole day, if not more.
It's always possible (more so since the inconsistent black ooze, if we factor in 'Prometheus', just like the Predalien reproduction cycle now is), but I just don't see it as probable. It totally negates the point of her getting webbed up and slowly laying them the other way.
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
She fit herself in to the landing gear bay without any major issues. They're nothing if not limber, and thems is some mighty long arms.
That's the problem. They're too long.
I've even tried posing the Revoltech Queen and two different CGI models, but it's an excessively awkward thing for her to do, given her limb mobility and dimensions of the same - and likely damages the precious egg in doing so.QuoteQuoteI'm also unsure an egg would fit in between the dorsal spikes without simply falling off between the gaps.
It was hanging upside down at the start of Alien3.
True. I'd guess it takes a while for it to set in place, given the state of Newt's resin, but YMMV.
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2014, 08:04:31 AM
Carrying one with the smaller arms makes no sense as Ripley is armed and eggs are flammable. Might as well paint a big red bulls eye on it.
If it's stuck to her back/wedged between the dorsal spines, she is able to protect the hugger inside with her bulk.
If it was specifically for protection, she'd be better off winding her tail around it and keeping it out of the line of fire completely.
On the other hand, given how she was literally using them as weapons, just moments before, we'd be left with the issue of why she wouldn't just attempt to do the same here: Carry one up and have its contents leap at Newt/Ripley, like a biological gun ('organic ballistics' being a concept which 'Alien 3' implies they're familiar with, going by how one spat acid at a prisoner).
And we're also lleft with the issue of... Where would she find an egg which wasn't already set on fire?
Posted by SM
- May 09, 2014, 08:21:16 AMThe Queen doesn't know Ripley's out of fuel until she tries a couple of bursts in the lift. And she's obviously not carrying an egg with her small arms.
My theory may be a retcon - but it's impossible to disprove because we never see the Queen from the back. And it's about the same amount of retcon as the start of Alien3 itself.
My theory may be a retcon - but it's impossible to disprove because we never see the Queen from the back. And it's about the same amount of retcon as the start of Alien3 itself.
Posted by HuDaFuK
- May 09, 2014, 08:17:00 AMBut by the time she confronts her on the landing pad she knows Ripley's out of juice for her flamethrower.
Like I said, as a theory it's still got more holes than Swiss cheese, it's just the one I buy into the most.
Like I said, as a theory it's still got more holes than Swiss cheese, it's just the one I buy into the most.
