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The Predator Synopsis Leaks Online!

The Predator synopsis leaks online! Some of you may have seen the very small coverage over a possible leaked synopsis of The Predator at the end of last week. Some of you may have been involved in the discussion of it in our forums over the weekend.

We opted not to cover it while we worked to verify its authenticity before giving it any coverage. And we’re now confident that the information reported by SplashReport (the details have since been removed by request of 20th Century Fox) is legitimate. We can’t, however, say how old it is or how relevant the information is to the current iteration of The Predator.

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This synopsis sounds very similar to some of the details leaked to reddit last August. One thing of note is that this synopsis once again mentions the suburbia, something that Shane Black has gone on record as having denied so it’s very possible these details are now out of date.

 The Predator Synopsis Leaks Online!

The Predator may be revisiting the concept of genetically altered Predators, something that was explored in the development of Predators seen here in this concept art by John Wheaton.

Interestingly there’s quite a few callbacks to Robert Rodriguez’s last Predator film, Predators. An earlier concept explored for Predators was that the Berserker Predators would in fact be genetically altering themselves. And, of course, the Predator Hounds.  As well as the synopsis, SlashReport also had character details:

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  1. Kailem
    Sounds like a bunch of half-rumoured details slapped together into a fake synopsis by someone on the internet. And I hope that's the case, because I can't say it sounds particularly good. :-\
  2. The Alien Predator
    Guess this is gonna be a clash of different schools of thought here... The old EU showed that there were different Predator clans, but instead of telling us that they were different-- they showed us that they were different. However they were more similar to each other and the differences were very minimal. Of course, I am referring to the few instances when different clans were shown such as the Delta clan in Extinction. Also worth note, is that the old EU suggested that many Predator clans answered to a governing Council of Ancients, who more or less enforced the laws of the hunt which most Predator clans abided by.

    I'm not sure if the new EU kept this concept but I doubt it that it did, and if it didn't... well, I don't know if the idea of NECA's Clan Leader idea of a Grand Elder is implemented or not. The only thing which I am telling you is what the old EU has informed it's readers for the past twenty something years before it was unfortunately dumped out for the new material.

    These new Predators are different on the individual scale as well. No two ships look the same for instance, all their tech is custom made and modified. So in a way, we're shown differences even with the new ones too as well as some universal similarities among them as a species. You could say the differences are minimal here too, despite for example, their ships all being different and if you steal one ship and learn how to use it, then steal another you'd have to start over - they're still recognisable as "Yautja ships" by humans.

    Well, the new EU does seem to have some Elders who are so respected, like Elder Kalakta, that multiple clans answer to them. But despite this, even when Kalakta made peace with humans, there were still Predator attacks being reported which the narration then says that "just like us, they did not all follow one leader."

    Kalakta is also said to be a thousand years old, he could very easily be an Ancient. He is incredibly skilled in combat and has great strength despite his age.

    Despite all that, some clans still defied him and hunted humans, and those probably weren't Bad Bloods, just clans who thought "eh, who cares what he said?"

    Kalakta rose to such levels of respect by being such a skilled warrior. He wasn't born into it, he fought and hunted his way into it. He was deeply respected by other Predators who were so eager to fight alongside him.

    So there's still lots of the old EU in there.

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    We know that they are hunters and are a very proud warrior race. And we know that they hunt for the thrill of the sport, and also the challenge. However going by what the old EU had told us, they also hunted for a variety of reasons. The right to acquire better hunting gear and weapons. The right to breed. The right for hunting grounds. And also to climb a social ladder. This is likely something which has been ingrained into them while they were evolving on their homeworld, and they've revolved everything around the hunt. To them, it's something almost sacred. Do you dispute this or not?

    I don't, most of this is in the new EU anyway. You'd be surprised at how much of the old stuff is in Rage War alone. I think Lebbon may have done some research on Yautja besides just using the name because so much of their old habits do remain, but in my opinion, a bit more "refined."

    Like, I was thinking last night about that caste I was reading on Xenopedia. The "Untouchables" which are invalid or disabled Yautja who are apparently treated horribly by their brethren.

    To me, I thought it just made them predictable savages.

    I liked what Lebbon did with a crippled female. She lost her legs in a hunt, so she was on some mechanised platform that allowed her to move around and had a cybernetic eye. It goes to show that despite them being the way they are, they're also a social and compassionate species among themselves.

    They took this invalid, treated her wounds and put her to use elsewhere. She is a scientist instead. "You can't hunt, but you can research and build us better gear" makes so much more sense than "you are now useless and we'll leave you to starve."

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    I never once did say that they were a monoculture, and I think it's here where you're getting lost in assuming that. Let me explain. I am not saying that they are following one culture, but from what the old EU tells about the governing Council of Ancients-- they answered to a single authority, who enforce certain traditions and rules, and most especially laws on how the hunt was conducted. I'm sure that many clans from different continents or territories on homeworld have their own cultures and customs, which is fine and dandy but what I am saying is that the Council of Ancients, at least in the old EU, governed over a majority of numerous clans. And even if we look at the Hish-qu'ten version of the Predators, this was similar with a Conclave where the ruling heads of many clans answered to a Supreme Elder who gave their final word on how the Hunt was to be conducted.

    But sometimes you seem to act like they are a monoculture. As soon as they deviate from the usual trope or cycle, more often than not, it doesn't click with your idea of what they are meant to be.

    Like with "they answered to a single authority", no my friend, 'some' answered to a single authority. Just like with the Kalakta example above, many clans followed him but there were those who also chose their own paths. I think it's the same with the Council of Ancients, I assume the majority of the clans will answer to them but there will be the independent (and not Bad-Blood) clans who will follow their own rules and paths.

    Later on in that paragraph, you do correct yourself with "the majority of clans", "many clans" following these leaders. That's exactly the same thing with what the new EU has shown us so far.

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    Here is the thing about the Super Predators. We were told that these guys were supposed to be Outcast, that they were supposed to be genuinely psychotic, evil Predators who were sent onto the Preserve Planet as punishment. We were told this by Word of God from Mr. Robert Rodirguez and Nimrod Antal in a Hungarian magazine interview. We were never shown this in the film, we were never even given exposition through dialogue in the film. Nothing was shown or given as to how or why these guys were Outcasts. I think that if we were shown this, or explained this, they might have been seen more than just another "rival" clan. And as much as NECA's backstories aren't canon-- I like the idea that the traditional Yautja view the Super Predators as an entirely separate race and as heretics.

    If there has to be rogue clans (and I know that there were many in the old EU but they were seldom seen) then explain why and show how they are rogue clans which are completely different from the ones we've seen in Predator, Predator 2, and AVP.

    Rodriguez and Antal may have said those things, but some things film makers say don't have to be taken at face value. What ultimately matters is what's shown on screen.

    And what we've seen so far, Jungle Hunter and Super Predator clans seem to despise each other. Maybe they were banished here and then ambushed Jungle Hunter and stole his ship (hence how Berserker was able to blow it up as it took off), I think they used that same ship to kidnap our characters.

    Assuming they didn't have their own ships, which they might have had due to the ending hinting at it and the sequel comic showing us other Super Predators. I have doubts they're "rogues", just a different clan who does things so differently that the Jungle Hunters can't stand.

    The Hish-Qu-Ten clans were similar, their customs were so strict that entire clans would go to war with each other just because some of them disagreed on something sacred.

    Who is to say Super Predators don't see the classic Predators as heretics? Or weaklings for refusing to "better" themselves when they can easily do so?

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    The Super Predators were made for the rule of cool because Rodriguez and Litvak felt as if the original concept wasn't scary anymore and obsolete. That's one half of the problem with the Super Predators that I have with them. The other half was that they were hyped and failed to meet the hype. The original Bad Blood concept was done great, without the gimmick which the Super Predators needed. It was a psychotic Predator. It was the Jeffrey Dahmer of Predators, quoting the narration boxes in the comic and it was executed greatly.

    I'd agree that the original Predators can't be outshined and will never be obsolete. I am not opposed to them adding new Predators like 2.0 or Supers as it adds diversity among them and shows a bit more of their culture, how some are more modified than others.

    I think your issue is you take what Antal and Rodriguez said too seriously. If we ignore for a second that they're meant to be the "Ipods" of the Predators and actually see what was shown on screen, you'll see that they're really not that better.

    Classic put up a good fight to Berserker, a dehydrated, starved and crucified Classic. I think Anytime from the first film might have even mopped the floor with Berserker's dreadlocks.

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    I like them as a concept for a rogue clan. I think there are plenty of them out there, probably just as bad or worse. I accepted them more than the Super Predators, because in Three World War, as underwhelming as that storyline was-- the exposition of their backstory was given out, they were shown to be why they were considered an outcast and rogue clan, and why, according to Machiko-- many of the traditional clans, viewed them as heretics and aimed to drive this clan into extinction-- and seemingly came close to it, to where they were sent into hiding and made into a memory. The Killer Clan was one of the things I think Three World War did right, they explained how they were a rogue clan, and they showed how and why they were a rogue clan. They did both of those things, which made me accept them. They achieved what the Super Predators couldn't as a concept.

    I see. I would've liked to have seen some more explanations on the Super Predators as well. Because for all we know, they might not even be rogues. Just a bunch of space dicks making their own rules and being defiant reactionaries which pissed off the more traditional clans. But they don't seem to have taken things as far as the Killers did so as to vex all the other clans into zerg rushing them into extinction.

    I mean, they do follow some rules among themselves. Falconer actually fought "honourably" and even waited for Hanzo to get up several times that he knocked him down before resuming the fight. I think it was Berserker and Tracker who were a bit more "lenient" on how they hunted. Tracker being the one to blast Nolan (I think it was him who did that) and Berserker shamelessly blasting at a fleeing Classic.

    But this use of plasma casters doesn't make them rule breakers. Ahab gladly blasted a human who was clearly challenging him (while cloaked) and we are all familiar with Anytime's plasma spamming.

    Different strokes for different blokes. They weren't being Killers or Poachers (what Delta clan was thought to have been in Extinction), just the equivalent of rich dudes taking lions to an island to hunt.

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    I didn't like the dogs because I prefer the Predators to be trackers on their own. They have keen senses which even Nolan had said that they could hear us and smell us. To me, having the dogs seems like it's cheating. Now I don't mind rogue clans doing this. Why? Because they're assholes. The Killer Clan used them to great effect because they didn't give a damn about the laws of the hunt, and this was a large reason why they were seen as heretics. The use of animals were seen as a no-no according to Three World War, based on the reactions of the traditional clan and the backstory Machiko gave out. I don't mind rogue clan's doing this and using animals if they wanna be assholes. But traditional clans? I don't see it.

    You also keep on referring to the new EU and me the old... Well, then, I guess this might as well be one of Doug Walker's Old vs New segments!

    Predators cheat often during hunts. They cloak, they use advanced weaponry against inferior prey, and some extremely advanced vision modes etc. I know they sometimes drop their stuff for a fair fight, but like I said, it doesn't change the fact that they cheated as well.

    They're hunters. Hunters seek to bag the trophy. Like I've said before, Super Predators have their own rules and don't seem to mind using their hell hounds despite their own skills and abilities.

    Sure, this'll irk the Jungle Hunters and any other very traditional Predators. But the Killers seem to have used their controlled Aliens to exterminate prey while the Super Predators are genuinely used theirs to flush out prey. The dogs didn't even attack anyone, they just rushed the humans and one was pinned I think but not mauled.

    I think these dogs were more cannon fodder rather than "get 'im boy!", more of a "what's he capable of? Find out, boy!" XD

    Because Tracker did recall the remaining dogs (or dog?) before they could continue anymore attacks. Then the Super Predators began their hunt.

    Nothing really cheapens that, they were testing out the humans and their weaponry. I think it was more a preparation and to see how the prey performs under pressure. It sure made them alert and more wary and feel extra unsafe.

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    I don't consider NECA's backstories to be canon... While NECA does have some good ideas like the Super Predators separating from their cousin race because they viewed the laws of the hunt as something which should be tossed away-- I wouldn't consider it canon and I don't think it is.

    Fair enough.

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    Having different Predator cultures doesn't cheapen the race. On that, I agree but there seems to be a language barrier going on between you and me (not literally but...) which makes things difficult on what I'm trying to say to you. Here's what I'm trying to tell you on from what I've been told about the Predators from the films, and the EU which I surrounded myself with in the simplest way: Different clans, different cultures, different customs-- one ruling authority that enforces the rules. Those that don't follow are outcast clans. That's the simplest way which I can tell you. I mean if we look at Predator, Predator 2, AVP and AVP-R... seeing those Predators, do you think Diablo, Ghost, Scar, and Wolf were from the same clan? No, they weren't... but they operated in the hunt very similarly, and followed what seemed to be the rules of the hunt very similarly.

    They were of different clans, different cultures and customs, but they clearly followed a set of rules closely-- if not rules than a set of guidelines (read this in Hector Barbossa's voice) more like it. And if you have to have a clan which completely deviates from this, show and explain that they are Rogues.

    That's all I'm saying.

    Similar thing with the new EU. You see in Fire and Stone, in Life and Death and even in the Rage War, the Predators operate in similar ways. They have a set of similar behaviours when it comes to hunting but they don't all answer to the same ruling authority. Which makes me think that a lot of their "ways" could be instinctual rather than cultural. (At least it's why I think Predaliens collect skulls and spines or skin and hang people and Predators upside down without actually doing anything with said trophies.)

    The new EU states that Yautja are easily far older than humanity, many of their space habitats (and the pyramid in AvP2010) are older than modern hominids. If they've been hunting things and following similar rules for hundreds of thousands of years, it's probably bound to have become so deeply ingrained in their instincts.

    And this is why I think some clans probably have 2.0 Predators, assuming none of this changes of course.

    Like you said above regarding Rodriguez and Antal. Maybe what Black and Dekker are saying about 2.0 might not even happen on screen. For all we know, 2.0 might just show up as a huge elite alpha Predator to kick some ooman ass and take back gear without even a single hint of genetic modification.

    We shall see how this all turns out.
  3. RakaiThwei
    Honestly? I'm not that mad, if you could even say I'm mad at all. Concerned, yes but... I'm not mad. More like cautious and just keeping my distance.

    Go back seven, eight years ago... with PREDATORS, ho ho ho boy... I was mad.
  4. 426Buddy
    I actually kinda feel bad for film makers in the digital age. Not only do they have to worry about leaks but also fake leaks , misinformation, and quotes taken out of context.. Half the time the people following these franchises have already made up their minds about the movie before they've even seen a second of footage.
  5. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    I totally agree Overthere. The Preds we seen so far are 7-8 feet but who knows how else tall and different looking they can be in there home world. Great white sharks are 20 feet long but there are other Great Whites that are about 12-15 feet long. Humans can get as big as 7 plus feet tall but the average human is about 5 foot 10. But it sounds like they like the ideal of a huge predator but don't like the ideal of it being genetically enhanced. If it was a normal/ classic predator who was just naturally 10 feet tall is what some are bringing up. I'm still confused on how this Pred is genetically enhanced. Did he do it himself somehow? Did the Preds do it for him? Maybe they did it for him because they know the military is not going to make it easy on him in fact it will be a nightmare for him to get back to the home world alive and with the exposed technology and while also trying to not get captured in the process. We need to know an official official official synopsis because the leaked synopsis was a bit confusing.
  6. Stealth_Hunter
    So far the plot sounds like The new 10 foot Pred is not only going to try and capture the Predator technology that was exposed to the humans but to also get back the Pred that crashed on his ship in Cuba.


    So there are 2 main predators ?
    Speculation by some based on vague rumors but not concrete.


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    And I bet the 10ft one will kill the regular one ala in Predators and done just as shitty

    If there actually is a 10 ft predator that makes the final draft, I doubt Dekker or Shane would not have the foresight to see what has and hasn't worked in the past. This isn't their first rodeo.
  7. Highland
    The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.

    He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.

    Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"

    Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.

    Simple.

    That won't add anything new to the lore. It'd just repeat every Predator movie which is basically "hunt human/Alien in *insert location.*"

    I'd rather they expand the lore. Show a bit more of the Predators, a scrap of their culture and rituals as they prepare for a hunt. How they respond to certain situations such as getting captured or retrieving technology. Show a bit of their inner workings without giving away too much.

    Some of the most exciting comics, novels and games were the ones that broke the "Predator hunting in *insert random place*" and dealt with other issues.

    Like Predator: Captive. A Predator got captured but it turned out that it wasn't as much of a "prisoner" as we thought it was. It was studying us as much as we were "trying" to study it and in the end, it got its revenge on us in the most destructive way possible. It used its cunning to trick humans.

    Why not something like that? Tell a new story and show just how truly deadly they are, not just when they're hunters, but what about when they're hunted?

    Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.

    So I am excited for Shane Black's film as it offers something new to expand the Predator universe.

    (I do like your idea of a Predator set in a Dredd style building. Not gonna lie, it does sound awesome. I never tire of the classic "Predator hunt" story. But I also love to see them add new things too.)

    You can add subtle things to the lore like Predator 2. If one things certain about "lore" in Alien and Predator films, it's usually garbage, forced and shoved in your face because we are not supposed to know anything about the creatures.
  8. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    I'm only speculating but I don't think the crashed Pred will be another main Pred. I think he will just set up the story. But then how does he escape or what if he escapes? Then that means he will be centered in the movie. But the leaked synopsis was leading towards all the characters against the 10 foot Pred who is genetically enhanced and advanced.
  9. Johnny Handsome
    There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.

    Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.

    That was the plan for Ps. How did they fail so badly in making the Preds look much taller? Bad camera work? Classic looked like a small, fat Pred.
    While i don't think the Predators in Ps looked small, i agree that they didn't look nearly as huge as they used to in the other movies. But those weren't played by huge people, the tallest was 6' 7" Brian Steele, but that guy is also very muscular. We got taller and much slender people this time, dancer/parkour guys who are very athletic, much more like Kevin Peter Hall. The rest will be movie magic. With a bag full of money, you can pretty much put anything you want on the big screen, i don 't care how they do it personally as long as it looks good.

    While i prefer the Predators practically, there are some marvellous CG characters, with mocap you can create pretty awesome stuff nowadays, i'm open to that. The new Turtles look better and more dynamic than they ever did with any suit, they are beautifully textured and rendered, just an example.
  10. greygoose
    There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.

    Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.

    That was the plan for Ps. How did they fail so badly in making the Preds look much taller? Bad camera work? Classic looked like a small, fat Pred.
  11. Johnny Handsome
    There are a number of ways of doing this practical, filming a guy in a suit in front of a green screen and then placing him into the scene later, scaled up.

    Then there is the other... good old perspective/camera tricks and apple boxes, still pretty effective. We've got Larry Fong, the guy knows what he's doing.
  12. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    Shane Black said he likes practical effects blended seamlessly with little CGI to enhance the Preds. But as someone said the 10 foot Pred might be all CGI as there is nobody 10 feet tall to play him lol. Unless they somehow do something to make it half practical? I don't know how they will pull off the new Pred. He might actually be all CGI. Unless they make a full 10 foot Pred like the ADI Queen Alien and Stan Winstons Queen were there is no one in the suit and a group operates it with controls. That would be pretty cool to see.

  13. Johnny Handsome
    Guys... they hired a practical efx company to work on this movie for 6 months, casting actors for suit work... to do full on CGI Predators?

    We don't have to wait and see, there are no if's and but's... thats some a-class made up bullshit right there, case closed.
  14. greygoose
    Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.

    It's just a rumor they listed

    No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
    The preds will be CG? That shit for real? They go this way and this movie becomes even more tragic

    CG Preds? Until it's confirmed there's no need to press the panic button. If true then...
  15. predator88
    Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.

    It's just a rumor they listed

    No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
    The preds will be CG? That shit for real? They go this way and this movie becomes even more tragic
  16. RakaiThwei
    Those are good points but then again, the new EU also states that Predator clans although similar, are also quite different.

    Guess this is gonna be a clash of different schools of thought here... The old EU showed that there were different Predator clans, but instead of telling us that they were different-- they showed us that they were different. However they were more similar to each other and the differences were very minimal. Of course, I am referring to the few instances when different clans were shown such as the Delta clan in Extinction. Also worth note, is that the old EU suggested that many Predator clans answered to a governing Council of Ancients, who more or less enforced the laws of the hunt which most Predator clans abided by.

    I'm not sure if the new EU kept this concept but I doubt it that it did, and if it didn't... well, I don't know if the idea of NECA's Clan Leader idea of a Grand Elder is implemented or not. The only thing which I am telling you is what the old EU has informed it's readers for the past twenty something years before it was unfortunately dumped out for the new material.

    For example, different clans have entirely different languages, not just dialects. This makes perfect sense.

    Yeah, which does make sense and is one of the few elements of the new EU which I can actually agree with.

    I think that as a species, they're all obsessed with fighting and killing things, to me, it's kind of an instinctual and natural thing for them. Like being curious is a natural thing for a human, the desire to learn. For Predators, it's the desire to kill. They've evolved from a very predatory life form so I think their hunting culture is a way for them to take out this aggression on other species so as to maintain a somewhat "peaceful" existence amongst themselves without resorting to nuking each other into oblivion.

    We know that they are hunters and are a very proud warrior race. And we know that they hunt for the thrill of the sport, and also the challenge. However going by what the old EU had told us, they also hunted for a variety of reasons. The right to acquire better hunting gear and weapons. The right to breed. The right for hunting grounds. And also to climb a social ladder. This is likely something which has been ingrained into them while they were evolving on their homeworld, and they've revolved everything around the hunt. To them, it's something almost sacred. Do you dispute this or not?

    Anyway, my main point is, just because Predators have this hunting culture and these rules, doesn't mean they're a monoculture.

    I never once did say that they were a monoculture, and I think it's here where you're getting lost in assuming that. Let me explain. I am not saying that they are following one culture, but from what the old EU tells about the governing Council of Ancients-- they answered to a single authority, who enforce certain traditions and rules, and most especially laws on how the hunt was conducted. I'm sure that many clans from different continents or territories on homeworld have their own cultures and customs, which is fine and dandy but what I am saying is that the Council of Ancients, at least in the old EU, governed over a majority of numerous clans. And even if we look at the Hish-qu'ten version of the Predators, this was similar with a Conclave where the ruling heads of many clans answered to a Supreme Elder who gave their final word on how the Hunt was to be conducted.

    Super Predators are a prime example of this. This clan already has its own rules and customs, and even resorts to genetically tampering with itself to become "better" killers. They're a sentient race with disagreements, of course some will do things differently.

    Here is the thing about the Super Predators. We were told that these guys were supposed to be Outcast, that they were supposed to be genuinely psychotic, evil Predators who were sent onto the Preserve Planet as punishment. We were told this by Word of God from Mr. Robert Rodirguez and Nimrod Antal in a Hungarian magazine interview. We were never shown this in the film, we were never even given exposition through dialogue in the film. Nothing was shown or given as to how or why these guys were Outcasts. I think that if we were shown this, or explained this, they might have been seen more than just another "rival" clan. And as much as NECA's backstories aren't canon-- I like the idea that the traditional Yautja view the Super Predators as an entirely separate race and as heretics.

    If there has to be rogue clans (and I know that there were many in the old EU but they were seldom seen) then explain why and show how they are rogue clans which are completely different from the ones we've seen in Predator, Predator 2, and AVP.

    Like the Super Preds and their different customs. I'm surprised you like the "Bad Blood" from the comic, as it pretty much behaves like them and I'm sure if it had access to genetic tampering tools, it'd change the heck out of itself for the lulz.

    The Super Predators were made for the rule of cool because Rodriguez and Litvak felt as if the original concept wasn't scary anymore and obsolete. That's one half of the problem with the Super Predators that I have with them. The other half was that they were hyped and failed to meet the hype. The original Bad Blood concept was done great, without the gimmick which the Super Predators needed. It was a psychotic Predator. It was the Jeffrey Dahmer of Predators, quoting the narration boxes in the comic and it was executed greatly.

    Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Killer Clan?

    I like them as a concept for a rogue clan. I think there are plenty of them out there, probably just as bad or worse. I accepted them more than the Super Predators, because in Three World War, as underwhelming as that storyline was-- the exposition of their backstory was given out, they were shown to be why they were considered an outcast and rogue clan, and why, according to Machiko-- many of the traditional clans, viewed them as heretics and aimed to drive this clan into extinction-- and seemingly came close to it, to where they were sent into hiding and made into a memory. The Killer Clan was one of the things I think Three World War did right, they explained how they were a rogue clan, and they showed how and why they were a rogue clan. They did both of those things, which made me accept them. They achieved what the Super Predators couldn't as a concept.

    And I also don't get your hatred for the dogs either. In the new EU, some Predator clans are said to observe and be inspired by other races. A scientist in Rage War studied one of the clan's languages and noticed some Celtic sentence structure in the way they spoke. Clearly some members of this clan hunted Celts and picked up certain mannerisms which they brought with them and the clan adopted. They no doubt "borrowed" language mannerisms from other sapient prey as well.

    I didn't like the dogs because I prefer the Predators to be trackers on their own. They have keen senses which even Nolan had said that they could hear us and smell us. To me, having the dogs seems like it's cheating. Now I don't mind rogue clans doing this. Why? Because they're assholes. The Killer Clan used them to great effect because they didn't give a damn about the laws of the hunt, and this was a large reason why they were seen as heretics. The use of animals were seen as a no-no according to Three World War, based on the reactions of the traditional clan and the backstory Machiko gave out. I don't mind rogue clan's doing this and using animals if they wanna be assholes. But traditional clans? I don't see it.

    You also keep on referring to the new EU and me the old... Well, then, I guess this might as well be one of Doug Walker's Old vs New segments!

    So if they do this, why not hunting tactics as well? Didn't one of the NECA toys mention that Falconer was inspired by humans who used falcons to hunt? So he made the falcon drone in his hunts. Maybe some like Tracker either were inspired by human hunters or they independently tamed their own beasts that they saw had potential.

    I don't consider NECA's backstories to be canon... While NECA does have some good ideas like the Super Predators separating from their cousin race because they viewed the laws of the hunt as something which should be tossed away-- I wouldn't consider it canon and I don't think it is.

    It doesn't cheapen anything about the race. It just goes to show that some clans couldn't care less about another clan's rules. Predators disagree on everything just like humans do. It's the consequence of being a sapient race of individuals. In fact, this diversity enriches the race and makes them scarier. What's this hunter gonna do compared to the last? Will dropping my weapon count as surrender or a challenge or will he not give a damn and just blast me to gibs?

    Having different Predator cultures doesn't cheapen the race. On that, I agree but there seems to be a language barrier going on between you and me (not literally but...) which makes things difficult on what I'm trying to say to you. Here's what I'm trying to tell you on from what I've been told about the Predators from the films, and the EU which I surrounded myself with in the simplest way: Different clans, different cultures, different customs-- one ruling authority that enforces the rules. Those that don't follow are outcast clans. That's the simplest way which I can tell you. I mean if we look at Predator, Predator 2, AVP and AVP-R... seeing those Predators, do you think Diablo, Ghost, Scar, and Wolf were from the same clan? No, they weren't... but they operated in the hunt very similarly, and followed what seemed to be the rules of the hunt very similarly.

    They were of different clans, different cultures and customs, but they clearly followed a set of rules closely-- if not rules than a set of guidelines (read this in Hector Barbossa's voice) more like it. And if you have to have a clan which completely deviates from this, show and explain that they are Rogues.

    That's all I'm saying.
  17. The Alien Predator
    Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.

    You bring up Concrete Jungle and how this film could potential ring similar vibes to it, while also defending the Predator 2.0 idea, and why Predators would send something like this for a retrieval mission. So let me explain why on my viewpoint, a Predator 2.0 seems... unnecessary.

    Concrete Jungle showed us that a normal Predator, is absolutely more than capable, provided if they are skilled enough, tenacious enough, intelligent enough, and resourceful enough-- that when they are going up against an enemy who has their technology already, and prevails-- are formidable enough to succeed, reclaim their technology back and do away with the enemies who attempted to use their technology against them. Sure, the Dark Blade clan had sent three Predators (as far as we know-- one of them being an Alpha type) who had failed, and were converted to cyborgs under control of Borgia Industries but Scarface alone was dangerous and quite formidable enough to deal with such enemies without genetic enhancement, and according to the storyline, tools which only a youngster would be given to prove himself all over again.

    In my mind, and keeping Scarface in mind, tells me that the idea of a Predator 2.0 is rather... redundant. Now, I know you're going to say "But what if they're used for war?" and all of that... see, as much as I dislike the new EU, one of the things I do like is how they develop their technology quickly to be better than the ones who either stole their technology, or figured out how it works. I like to believe that Predators know that they are formidable, that they are deadly without any further enhancements to themselves but if they come across an opponent who is ready for them, they'll up the ante by improving their gear, all while retaining their proud warrior mentality.

    To me, that gels and fits perfectly into what I feel is the Predator mythos (PREDATORS excluded) and I would prefer to see a Predator who is either a decked out Cleaner type like Wolf, or someone similar to Scarface who has the better gear, the better armor-- almost military grade (which was also seen in Extinction) to take out enemies who have such advanced technology or retro-engineered PredTech. Think well, an Anti-Predator Predator.

    What I'm saying is... there are ways to expand upon the Predators, without the whole Predator 2.0 thing which seems to have gotten mixed reactions from folks. It's not so much the idea of this new creature being bigger, because Stone Heart comes to mind, and I was cool with him but the idea of trying to make something already bad-ass and formidable, more so through genetic manipulation when there are other alternatives which can achieve the same effect and more, without potentially harming the character we all know and love.

    Those are good points but then again, the new EU also states that Predator clans although similar, are also quite different.

    For example, different clans have entirely different languages, not just dialects. This makes perfect sense.

    I think that as a species, they're all obsessed with fighting and killing things, to me, it's kind of an instinctual and natural thing for them. Like being curious is a natural thing for a human, the desire to learn. For Predators, it's the desire to kill. They've evolved from a very predatory life form so I think their hunting culture is a way for them to take out this aggression on other species so as to maintain a somewhat "peaceful" existence amongst themselves without resorting to nuking each other into oblivion.

    Notice how they've casually got wrist nukes? Imagine humans having that, terrorists would have a field day.

    Anyway, my main point is, just because Predators have this hunting culture and these rules, doesn't mean they're a monoculture.

    Super Predators are a prime example of this. This clan already has its own rules and customs, and even resorts to genetically tampering with itself to become "better" killers. They're a sentient race with disagreements, of course some will do things differently.

    Just because 90% of the clans are a proud bunch who value their natural badassery, there will be those transhuman (transyautja?) clans who think they can become "better".

    This is what I think you sometimes overlook, Rakai, to you it's "they're all like this, they all gotta act a certain way" and if some Predators don't, you tend to have a negative reaction to it.

    Like the Super Preds and their different customs. I'm surprised you like the "Bad Blood" from the comic, as it pretty much behaves like them and I'm sure if it had access to genetic tampering tools, it'd change the heck out of itself for the lulz.

    Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Killer Clan?

    And I also don't get your hatred for the dogs either. In the new EU, some Predator clans are said to observe and be inspired by other races. A scientist in Rage War studied one of the clan's languages and noticed some Celtic sentence structure in the way they spoke. Clearly some members of this clan hunted Celts and picked up certain mannerisms which they brought with them and the clan adopted. They no doubt "borrowed" language mannerisms from other sapient prey as well.

    So if they do this, why not hunting tactics as well? Didn't one of the NECA toys mention that Falconer was inspired by humans who used falcons to hunt? So he made the falcon drone in his hunts. Maybe some like Tracker either were inspired by human hunters or they independently tamed their own beasts that they saw had potential.

    It doesn't cheapen anything about the race. It just goes to show that some clans couldn't care less about another clan's rules. Predators disagree on everything just like humans do. It's the consequence of being a sapient race of individuals. In fact, this diversity enriches the race and makes them scarier. What's this hunter gonna do compared to the last? Will dropping my weapon count as surrender or a challenge or will he not give a damn and just blast me to gibs?
  18. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    I would love to see a fight between one of the Pred Hounds and a Alien. That would be cool to see. I know Alien would most likely win but the Hounds in Predators were tuff to kill. The mini gun was firing and they kept running after Royce and the others. I thought the Hounds were a cool addition to expanding on the Predator franchise.
  19. RakaiThwei
    Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.

    You bring up Concrete Jungle and how this film could potential ring similar vibes to it, while also defending the Predator 2.0 idea, and why Predators would send something like this for a retrieval mission. So let me explain why on my viewpoint, a Predator 2.0 seems... unnecessary.

    Concrete Jungle showed us that a normal Predator, is absolutely more than capable, provided if they are skilled enough, tenacious enough, intelligent enough, and resourceful enough-- that when they are going up against an enemy who has their technology already, and prevails-- are formidable enough to succeed, reclaim their technology back and do away with the enemies who attempted to use their technology against them. Sure, the Dark Blade clan had sent three Predators (as far as we know-- one of them being an Alpha type) who had failed, and were converted to cyborgs under control of Borgia Industries but Scarface alone was dangerous and quite formidable enough to deal with such enemies without genetic enhancement, and according to the storyline, tools which only a youngster would be given to prove himself all over again.

    In my mind, and keeping Scarface in mind, tells me that the idea of a Predator 2.0 is rather... redundant. Now, I know you're going to say "But what if they're used for war?" and all of that... see, as much as I dislike the new EU, one of the things I do like is how they develop their technology quickly to be better than the ones who either stole their technology, or figured out how it works. I like to believe that Predators know that they are formidable, that they are deadly without any further enhancements to themselves but if they come across an opponent who is ready for them, they'll up the ante by improving their gear, all while retaining their proud warrior mentality.

    To me, that gels and fits perfectly into what I feel is the Predator mythos (PREDATORS excluded) and I would prefer to see a Predator who is either a decked out Cleaner type like Wolf, or someone similar to Scarface who has the better gear, the better armor-- almost military grade (which was also seen in Extinction) to take out enemies who have such advanced technology or retro-engineered PredTech. Think well, an Anti-Predator Predator.

    What I'm saying is... there are ways to expand upon the Predators, without the whole Predator 2.0 thing which seems to have gotten mixed reactions from folks. It's not so much the idea of this new creature being bigger, because Stone Heart comes to mind, and I was cool with him but the idea of trying to make something already bad-ass and formidable, more so through genetic manipulation when there are other alternatives which can achieve the same effect and more, without potentially harming the character we all know and love.
  20. The Alien Predator
    The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.

    He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.

    Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"

    Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.

    Simple.

    That won't add anything new to the lore. It'd just repeat every Predator movie which is basically "hunt human/Alien in *insert location.*"

    I'd rather they expand the lore. Show a bit more of the Predators, a scrap of their culture and rituals as they prepare for a hunt. How they respond to certain situations such as getting captured or retrieving technology. Show a bit of their inner workings without giving away too much.

    Some of the most exciting comics, novels and games were the ones that broke the "Predator hunting in *insert random place*" and dealt with other issues.

    Like Predator: Captive. A Predator got captured but it turned out that it wasn't as much of a "prisoner" as we thought it was. It was studying us as much as we were "trying" to study it and in the end, it got its revenge on us in the most destructive way possible. It used its cunning to trick humans.

    Why not something like that? Tell a new story and show just how truly deadly they are, not just when they're hunters, but what about when they're hunted?

    Another exciting one is Predator: Concrete Jungle, the game that deals with a shamed Predator returning to fix its past sins. It gives us a glimpse into their punitive actions against rule breakers and then how they offer it redemption by letting it embark on one grand hunt to reclaim some stolen gear.

    So I am excited for Shane Black's film as it offers something new to expand the Predator universe.

    (I do like your idea of a Predator set in a Dredd style building. Not gonna lie, it does sound awesome. I never tire of the classic "Predator hunt" story. But I also love to see them add new things too.)
  21. Highland
    The problem is not that Predator is big, but that there have to be explanation to it and of worst kind.

    He is big? Cool. But who could say he is bigger and geneticly modyfied compared to others? Two people on earth that we know of have ever seen the pred.

    Pretty much this. Just put a bigger predator in the movie and don't bother with an explanation, as soon as the words "genetically modified" come in to it, it makes me just think of some Jurassic World studio exec shouting "bigger, badder better!"

    Very early day's but I'm not digging the brief outline. Just keep it simple. I'd honestly rather a re-boot like what they did with 2012's Dredd. Simple Story, you could even make a Dredd/Raid style Predator movie based in a single building or area with the Predator picking off soldiers one by one as they advance then have the main "dutch" character save the day.

    Simple.
  22. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    Predators was not everyone's cup of tee but I enjoyed it for what it was. A low budget intense popcorn movie featuring Predators that would kill you on sight and a captured Classic Pred joining other captured assasins in a distant planet for survival against the bad blood Preds. Yes it was a straight on remake. A lot of scenes were identical to the first film. I enjoy the film a lot for good popcorn fun.
     
  23. ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR
    Yeah I figured that. But it could be true that the crew is trying to remain very silent on Arnold's cameo and if they are keep getting asked that in interviews to say that he might not be involved. That would be extremely cool to see Dutch again. I would love to see Danny Glover as Harrigan too, but Danny said awhile ago in a interview around the time Predators 2010 was going to be released in a few months that he did his part playing a character in the 2nd film and might not want to come back. I want to see Adrien Brody as Royce too lol. 3 awesome badasses. If you can't get Arnold or Glover in a cameo, I would love to see Adrien Brody as Royce in a small debriefing part or such. That would be so cool!!
  24. The Wolverine Predator
    Movieweb posted a article on Dutch cameao, says he will appear at the end of the movie to save the day. I wonder if that's true.

    It's just a rumor they listed

    No plot details have been reveled at the this time. But rumors persist that this latest installment in the Predator series will take place against a Suburban backdrop. We've also heard that it deals with the militarization of the Predator, and that the alien hunters will all be CG instead of practical men in suits. We've also heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't have a substantial role, and only appears in the very last few shots of the movie, as he arrives to save the day.
  25. Stealth_Hunter
    Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?

    I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?

    It softens the tone of the  movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.

    Aliens didn't feel soft to me but it might've been lesser of a movie compared to Alien in other peoples' points of view.

    I can think of plenty of movies that have kids as main characters but the overall tone of the films is serious and dark. Room, Beasts of No Nation, Moonlight, Man on Fire, Running Scared, The Butterfly Effect, Southpaw, Homefront, The Equalizer, Logan, Safe, Leon the Professional, The Good Son, We Need to Talk About Kevin, The Babadook, The Monster, Sinister, the list definitely goes on.
  26. BishopShouldGo
    Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?

    I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?

    It softens the tone of the  movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.

    Perfection.
  27. Predator_Spirit
    Shane Blacks Ironman 3 was one of the worst superhero movies ever. Tony stark out of his suit 90 percent of the time. I didn't like The Nice Guys. I would like to see Nimrod Antal come back and direct a Predator movie from a great script from a good writer. Shane Black idk..... I know he was in the original. The ideal of the kid being added too is like why?

    I couldn't disagree more. And what is wrong with having a kid in the movie?

    It softens the tone of the  movie, in Predator 2 the kid was just seen briefly but in The Predator he is a main character.
  28. The Alien Predator
    I think "Predator 2.0" might be a placeholder. I doubt it'd actually be called that in the movie.

    Yeah, I highly doubt that's literally going to be its in-universe name.

    I don't really see why there's so much grievance with the new Predator being a genetically modified freak. There could be any number of interesting reasons why it came to be, from some rouge nutjob Predator(s) making it for the anarchist lulz to something that was made for a legit purpose but got out of hand. What if there was something out there so threatening to the Predators they created this thing to fight it? That in itself could be an interesting angle.

    Exactly, this is what I've been saying.

    The Predators are clearly shown as a species that goes around hunting other races for fun. Just because they're badass hunter-warriors doesn't make them invincible.

    If their prey figured out where they live, if their prey learned that there's other intelligent prey also being hunted and all of these aliens decide to unite? Then what? Baddassery and hunting rules only take you so far.

    Like "AvP War" said - "in war, there are no rules." Their hunting rules will play no part during desperate situations. They're hunters at heart, and what do hunters seek to do? To win.

    So, they likely create these "super soldiers", hyper-warriors so they can be ready to combat threats that come at them. The reason Predators are so dangerous is due to the element of surprise. Remove that and they're a bit more easier to deal with, sometimes even predictable if they stick by their usual "rules".

    Humans have clearly shown themselves to be a hardcore and very dangerous species with potential to reverse engineer and turn their tools against the hunters (ala Concrete Jungle), jut because Scarface was successful in retrieving his stuff, doesn't mean it will always happen. Look at his predecessors who failed and got captured? Heck, Stone freakin' Heart who is bigger and stronger than Scarface got captured. I counted the amount of captives, those three in the intro that you later rescue to fight alongside you and then the three bosses, that's six failures to one success, with "normal Predators".

    I'm sure these "2.0" guys come into play when the Predators decide to stop messing around and get serious. If their stuff gets captured, they'd rather succeed. People who say "why not send another Cleaner like Wolf," well that turned out well last time. Wolf didn't return.  :P

    I understand that fans can be worried that new things could go wrong, but sometimes they could open up so many interesting possibilities like you said. Predators are advanced aliens, what stops them from making genetically modified ubermensch? Hell, what if it's not scientifically modified? What if it's selectively bred to be a warrior? Breeding the biggest males and females to make big and strong offspring to then be trained in arts of war?
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