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Blomkamp’s Alien 5 is “innovative, amazing, performs fan service.” Having just spoken at the Aliens 30th anniversary panel at San Diego Comic Con, the topic of Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5 inevitably came up. It seems to have been moved on from rather quickly as a man proposed to his girlfriend in the panel (they met watching the film) but James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver apparently had some small comments to make about the currently postponed Alien sequel.

According to this Tweet from Marcus Errico, “both Sigourney Weaver & James Cameron say Neill Blomkamp’s Alien script is “amazing, performs fan service & should be made.Den of Geek elaborates further, saying that Weaver said that the script has “everything fans want.

Blomkamp's Alien 5 is "innovative, amazing, performs fan Service" according to James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver. Photo via Sideshow Collectibles. Blomkamp's Alien 5 is

Blomkamp’s Alien 5 is “innovative, amazing, performs fan Service” according to James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver. Photo via Sideshow Collectibles.

According to That Hashtag Show, Weaver also called the script “innovative” and Outer Places are reaffirming what Sigourney Weaver told Entertainment Weekly last week about their commitments to other projects coming before Alien 5. Nothing else about the project was brought up unfortunately.

Keep an eye on Alien vs. Predator Galaxy for the latest news on Alien 5!

Update 25/07/2016 – The whole panel is now available for your viewing pleasure!



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  1. georgeromero
    Love it or hate it, good or bad, Prometheus did more to rejuvenate interest in the franchise than any entry since Aliens, and made a ton of money to boot. Your saying it didn't give anything to the franchise is way off the mark.

    I didn't say it did not contribute anything to the franchise, I said it didn't deliver the stuff it promised before release. Just because there is a colossal hype to it's sequel I can't be blind to it's many faults. That and it's too bleak in comparison to previous Alien films.

    Regarding Predators I stand firm on my opinion. Everything about it was generic. Beside visuals, game planet and creatures I can't find strong points in that movie. Even characters were uninteresting compared to P1 and P2. With or without it Predator franchise suffered enough because of AvP. And the main reason why I bash it so much is because of Rordriguez, because he thought his film would be superior to P2. We saw how it turned out.

    Back to Alien 5.
    Even though I like Neil Blomkamp's movies I find it difficult to believe with retconning whole 2 movies will help the fifth installment. I am afraid more mess is on the way, Time will tell.
  2. BishopShouldGo
    I don't even really enjoy Predators, but a fact's a fact. Predators and Prometheus are certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. The most recent franchise entry to accomplish that, not including those two, is the original Predator.
  3. HuDaFuK
    Love it or hate it, good or bad, Prometheus did more to rejuvenate interest in the franchise than any entry since Aliens, and made a ton of money to boot. Your saying it didn't give anything to the franchise is way off the mark.
  4. georgeromero
    AvP was bad while AvP:R was terrible. As for Prometheus and Predators both were mediocre films. I am not saying I hate them, but Predators was a P1 reboot/homage and formulaic at best. Prometheus, on the other hand had some nice ideas and good acting but overall it didn't meet the expectations most of us had. It was like an introduction to further alien/engineer lore.

    Therefore your saying that 'last installments of A/P made a decent recovery' is an overstatement. Predators did nothing for the franchise whereas Prometheus could at least spawn a sequel. And before seeing the movie we can't be sure how it will turn out.
  5. georgeromero
    What recovery? And which last installments are you talking about? If you mean AR, AvP and Predators, they brought nothing good to the A/P franchise. If you were sarcastic that's another story.
  6. System Apollo
    Funny thing is, if it does get made, it'll probably be just another so-so movie that we all complain about.  :P

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    You mean, like predators?

    That's exactly the effect of "I'll do a better sequel, f**k  the work of others! " attitude.
    Yeah, the Alien/Predator franchise made a decent recovery with the last two seclusive installments.
  7. Ill be back
    The smell of pandering is oh so rife...this will be a piece of garbage like the AVP movies and that awful Predators movie. Predators was nothing but a big homage wank fest.
  8. Corporal Hicks
    Deleted a couple of pointless posts. Please actually attempt to contribute towards the conversation and less of the attitude towards each other. Obviously this project has caused a bit of a split within the community but let's be mature about it. We don't all have to agree on it, we don't all have to like Alien 3 but we all have to be grown ups. Thank you.
  9. SiL
    Mystery is great when the answer is irrelevant. What's the Jockey? Why is it there? How did it get there? Why are the eggs there? Fun questions, but completely and utterly irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

    Prometheus builds itself on question after question and then answers f**k all of them in any meaningful way that resolves anything the characters set out to do or achieve.
  10. Xenomorphine
    You know, exploring a mystery is not the same as solving it. This is where Prometheus excelled. Every question just led to more questions.

    'Alien' used the derelict as an incredibly powerful and symbolic setting, from which to springboard the main story.

    'Prometheus' explored questions the original never really brought up, only to not really find any meaningful answers. If the process of answering some of the mysteries set up in the first film, had led to new questions, that would have been a much better progression.
  11. Kronnang_Dunn
    Nah. Abrams is an amazing filmmaker. And so is Fincher. If Fincher had been allowed to on Alien 3 do what Fincher does, perhaps people would be more forgiving.

    What I find more amazing (and ironic in a very sad sad way) is that, after all this years, and despite the great amount of people that still love and defend Alien 3 to death... the director himself totally hates his film::)

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/feb/03/david-fincher-interview-transcript

    As this has been mentioned countless times before: Considering what Fincher dealt with from FOX, practically no script, countless last minute changes and everything else going on, he did a helluva job.

    And yet... he totally hates Alien 3.  :( :-\
  12. FiorinaFury161
    As this has been mentioned countless times before: Considering what Fincher dealt with from FOX, practically no script, countless last minute changes and everything else going on, he did a helluva job.
  13. Nostromo
    The Force Awakens is a great film, with commercial success and critical acclaim. Its production was handled with care, from the scriptwriting stage to principle photography all the way to finalizing.
    Cmon you're kidding right? Another death star story..worst lightsaber duels ever..worst star wars ever...

    Nah. Alien 3 is a poor film.
    Very poor. 6.5/10 poor
  14. BringbackJonesy!
    Luckily for me, it matters not a jot if this alternate 'direct' sequel to ALIENS happens or not, as I'm able to look on ALIEN & ALIEN RES as mere 'fan fiction' entries as it is. ;D

    To be honest, I would have been very happy with a follow-up to ALIEN that involved a storyline which expanded on the 'alien' aspect of Ridley's original WITHOUT including Weaver again at all.  Sure, she was excellent in it, but she became big thanks to that movie, not the other way round - however, the rest of the cast was equally good in it too...except they weren't lucky enough to have their characters survive until the end.  So Weaver became the focus of things thanks to the luck of her role, and of course there became a clamour for her to feature in the follow-up.  But 'Ripley' was merely one element of the original movie for me, and I didn't necessarily need to see her 'continuing adventures' in the follow-up...

    Luckily, ALIENS turned out to be an excellent sequel, despite involving a 'shoot-em-up' storyline which was essentially designed to get 'Ripley' back into the fray.  But...I have no doubts whatsoever that an equally good follow-up to the original movie could have been successfully conceived which DIDN'T revolve around 'Ripley's character.,,and I've no doubt that it would have still been a successful sequel with the likes of Cameron at the helm too.  ALIEN's subject matter was memorable in LOTS of ways, and the sequel didn't necessarily NEED to be plotted around the 'survivor' of the initial story. 

    Still, we got a terrifically re-watchable sequel, regardless.  Weaver put in another great performance of course, and her involvement in Cameron's movie only enhanced her 'star power' in the franchise - which was too bad in my opinion, as she ended up being able to heavily influence the way her NEXT follow-up would be done...for the worse, in my opinion.  Considering the limitations of the ALIEN 3's lacklustre plotline and settings..and the external interference of Weaver and the studio...it's a wonder how well Fincher's effort turned out in certain ways.  But while some may love it's constantly nihilistic, downbeat vibe...it's only thanks to some stylish direction from Fincher...along with another good performance from Sigourney, a pretty good score overall...that makes it's drab settings watchable, as far as I'm concerned.  And that goes for the equally flawed 'special edition' version of it too.

    And then we got a further Weaver adventure with ALIEN RES...  :'(

    Thankfully, I can re-edit both of these last 2 follow-ups for my own benefit, in a way that will make them a more curious re-watch for myself in future.  I prefer to think that that the events of ALIEN 3 (and consequently ALIEN RES too) didn't *really* happen after ALIENS at all...and some of it's opening sequence anomalies are quite helpful in looking on them as mere 'fan fiction' adventures involving Weaver's character -

    1.  For instance, there's the WHITE 'Sulaco' lettering on the side of the ship, which was BLACK in ALIENS (sure, we see the other side of the ship in this shot, but I prefer to think it wasn't painted different colors on either side, and that it can't be the ship from Cameron's movie whatsoever)

    2.  Then there's the close-up of 'Newt' in stasis that isn't the SAME acress as before (yes it's very brief, but still)

    3.  And then there's the additional discrepancy of the single egg left in the 'Sulaco' by a 'sackless' Queen, which then seems to generate 2 seperate 'facehuggers'...  I guess I could 'imagine' that it's a larger, 'special' egg that produces TWIN 'facehuggers' (one of which is a 'Queen'-producer, or perhaps BOTH are)...but I'd rather not...  :P

    4.  But the main thing for me, is the fact that the 'hypersleep chambers' are totally DIFFERENT to the ones we last saw 'Ripley' & gang enter at the end of ALIENS...so as I don't think that they got up during their trip home to change sleeping compartments, then this seals it for me!  ;D

    So while I don't necessarily need an 'alternate' follow-up involving 'Ripley', 'Hicks', & 'Newt to discard the events of ALIEN 3 & ALIEN RES from my 'personal canon'...I might end up pleasantly surprised with how it turns out.  But again, I'd probably be happier with a non-WEAVER storyline involving the overall 'alien mythos' to begin with, new characters and all!  :P
  15. g2vd
    Look at it this way...

    We'll probably never see a sequel to Ressurrection.  There's no demand.
    Darn you! Kelgaard you new page'd me!

    My second huge post didn't even have a chance, lol.

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    The Force Awakens is a great film
    That's debatable...not to ruin you're enjoyment but I can pick out a million and a half flaws with and it makes some of the most basic storytelling errors you could make.

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    Its production was handled with care, from the scriptwriting stage to principle photography all the way to finalizing.
    Just because A3's production was troubled due to no part of their own, does not mean even a basic level of care wasn't put into A3 by it's production Team just because A3 may have had a troubled production doesn't mean A3 doesn't destroy TFA time and time again on a critical level.

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    TFA and A3 are not remotely in the same league.
    Technically that's because they both part of separate genres, but you are right TFA is far from A3's level of quality.

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    commercial success.
    "The Ablity to have commercial success does not mean you are a good movie."

    The Phantom Menance made 1B.



  16. Beatnation
    Yeah, what g2vd said.

    To give you an analogy that you may understand, it's like if we had Star Wars, and then Empire Strikes Back, and then at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the main characters die in a silly accident at the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    Also, that's not a particularly great analogy.

    For starters, it wouldn't be like offing the main supporting cast of Star Wars because Hicks and Newt were never even in the first movie.

    There's also the fact Star Wars is a hell of a lot lighter fare than Alien, a series that's ultimately about the harsh bleakness of space, not family, magic and cute cuddly Ewoks.

    (And even if that did happen in Star Wars, I wouldn't care so long as it brought something to the story, which I'd argue Hicks and Newt being killed does, at least as far as Ripley's arc goes.)

    I want the 'Force Awakens' retconned because Han Solo died and clearly Disney has no idea what they are doing with their first 'Star Wars' movie. 

    He should come back in an 'alternate' Universe and be given the ending he deserves!  That will fix the obvious wrongness of 'Force Awakens' which is a bad movie because he died unfairly.  This heinous crime against the fans desperately needs to be corrected. 

    RETCON 'STAR WARS' NOW!   BRING BACK Han Solo!  Even if it takes 30 years we can do it.   All we need is some fan boy Director to stand up for this cause and we got to first base...  Get Harrison Ford on board (wave a 10 figure fee under his nose) and we're at 2nd...  Circulate some photoshop images of Han Solo in bounty hunter garments online and whip up some hype in the 'Star Wars' fan Community where EVERYONE wants to see this happen and 3rd Base is covered.  C'mon, Disney, we need you on board to make the home run!

    BRING BACK HAN SOLO
    IN THE CORRECT AND DEFINITIVE 'ALTERNATE'
    STAR WARS UNIVERSE NOW!

    This will be the greatest Fan Service ever!  You KNOW you want it!  We'll even bring back, Greedo, some Bothans and all those cute Ewoks coz they all died unfairly, too!

    THE R(ETCON)BEL ALLIANCE NEEDS YOU TO FIX THIS MISTAKE!*

    -Windebieste.

    *For those of you not sure, yes.  This is a parody, OK?  It's what this current 'ALIEN 5' Proposal sounds like from the outside.

    Are those guys on this forums??, such a good review, I share their sentiment 100%

  17. Kelgaard
    Look at it this way...

    We'll probably never see a sequel to Ressurrection.  There's no demand.

    Will Lance Henriksen ever reprise Bishop II?  I doubt it.

    So what impact will Alien³ have on a future storyline?  Answer: None. 

    Retcon or not, A³ is a dead end.  An alternate sequel for those who want it shouldn't hurt anybody.

  18. g2vd
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    Lol diminishing returns. Alien and Aliens were two of the top ten grossing films in their respective years, and had 9 Oscar nominations total. Both while being R-rated horror films.
    And so were Friday The 13th, Halloween and Nightmare On Elm Street (Minus the Oscars) and look what happened to them.

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    Yes, Weaver wanted her to die.  And that was dumb.  Youth has its poor decisions.
    No, there's nothing dumb about it the direction they took was a perfectly viable and good one, the only problem here is you the problem isn't the idea it's you as you aren't happy with the perfectly viable direction they took.

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    But the studio wanted to make a cheap film
    Yes, because we all know $50M is cheap film money.

    No, it's not.


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    cash in on the appeal of the first 2 films.
    ...Isn't every sequel in some way a cash-in on the previous film? that's the definition right? I mean this film is going to be a cash in on Aliens after all because it's hitchhiking off Aliens.

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    Now both the studio and Weaver, recognize the value of the franchise from a dollars and sense perspective, but also from a story perspective.
    Umn...umn..I think the studio and Weaver recognized all that from the beginning that's why you know Fox green lit Aliens, licensed the property to DarkHorse, made several Alien 3 Game Tie Ins, green lit Alien 3, constantly harassed Fincher all the way through the production...

    I'm sorry what?! What?! WHAT?!


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    The whole beginning of Alien 3 is as if someone were embarrasingly setting a stage.  They're like, ok first this happened, then this happened, still with us?  Oh, and this kinda happened, whew.  Ok, now that we got the play pretend out of the way, here's our story.  The first 10 minutes were just 1 half-baked clustertruck after another.
    To be fair you also have to remember the film had a very troubled production.

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    If you want a franchise with longevity, don't kill off the main character(s).
    Yes, who cares about artistic integrity who cares about making a actually good product we gotta keep dragging these characters and actors back and through increasingly ridiculous scenarios.

    Now while I would tend to agree with you on the idea of killing main characters most of the time as not done correctly it makes the adventure seem rather pointless and with all their struggles being in vain (Ex: See Hell On Wheels original fate for the Cullen character)

    But like I already said before it all depends on execution,n Ripley's death was done well she managed to finally find peace, deny Wayland the Xenos and destroy the last of The Derelict Xenos thus avenging everybody that died and putting a end to that Xeno threat.

    And the things I just said are all things that Weaver said to justify killing off Ripley among other things not mentioned.

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    You know, exploring a mystery is not the same as solving it.  This is where Prometheus excelled.  Every question just led to more questions.  This could also have been the subject of Aliens 2.0.
    That's mainly the fault of the script and all.

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    Whoever didn't tell Sigourney to shut up and let us handle the story, and back up an extra dump truck of money into her driveway, was being financially irresponsible.
    Yes, let's blow up the whole film's budget to force somebody who didn't want to be a part of the movie even after the first dump truck of money unless it went in that direction even more money! that'll clearly solve everything who cares if it means the budget must be slashed or if she's just phoning it in because she's not interested we got R I P L E Y!!!

    The Janitors don't need to be paid for another two years after all.

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    They wasted time and money because they couldn't decide on a story, hence the whole script not being finished and sets never being used situations.
    "of little worth because achieved in a discreditable way requiring little effort."

    If they went through all the effort of trying to find the right script and unable to settle on the right idea and spending millions of dollars in hiring script writers and than building rather expensive sets and than not using them because they didn't fit the idea...I have to ask does that fit the definition?

  19. BishopShouldGo
    The Force Awakens is a great film, with commercial success and critical acclaim. Its production was handled with care, from the scriptwriting stage to principle photography all the way to finalizing.

    Nobody handled Alien 3 with care, obviously. It's the textbook example of a calamitous movie production. And it shows.

    TFA and A3 are not remotely in the same league.
  20. windebieste
    Yeah, what g2vd said.

    To give you an analogy that you may understand, it's like if we had Star Wars, and then Empire Strikes Back, and then at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the main characters die in a silly accident at the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    Also, that's not a particularly great analogy.

    For starters, it wouldn't be like offing the main supporting cast of Star Wars because Hicks and Newt were never even in the first movie.

    There's also the fact Star Wars is a hell of a lot lighter fare than Alien, a series that's ultimately about the harsh bleakness of space, not family, magic and cute cuddly Ewoks.

    (And even if that did happen in Star Wars, I wouldn't care so long as it brought something to the story, which I'd argue Hicks and Newt being killed does, at least as far as Ripley's arc goes.)

    I want the 'Force Awakens' retconned because Han Solo died and clearly Disney has no idea what they are doing with their first 'Star Wars' movie. 

    He should come back in an 'alternate' Universe and be given the ending he deserves!  That will fix the obvious wrongness of 'Force Awakens' which is a bad movie because he died unfairly.  This heinous crime against the fans desperately needs to be corrected. 

    RETCON 'STAR WARS' NOW!   BRING BACK Han Solo!  Even if it takes 30 years we can do it.   All we need is some fan boy Director to stand up for this cause and we got to first base...  Get Harrison Ford on board (wave a 10 figure fee under his nose) and we're at 2nd...  Circulate some photoshop images of Han Solo in bounty hunter garments online and whip up some hype in the 'Star Wars' fan Community where EVERYONE wants to see this happen and 3rd Base is covered.  C'mon, Disney, we need you on board to make the home run!

    BRING BACK HAN SOLO
    IN THE CORRECT AND DEFINITIVE 'ALTERNATE'
    STAR WARS UNIVERSE NOW!

    This will be the greatest Fan Service ever!  You KNOW you want it!  We'll even bring back, Greedo, some Bothans and all those cute Ewoks coz they all died unfairly, too!

    THE R(ETCON)BEL ALLIANCE NEEDS YOU TO FIX THIS MISTAKE!*

    -Windebieste.

    *For those of you not sure, yes.  This is a parody, OK?  It's what this current 'ALIEN 5' Proposal sounds like from the outside.
  21. Mr. Clemens
    If you want a franchise with longevity, don't kill off the main character(s).

    Sure, who cares what the film's about as long as we can make a sequel!

    Give me a break.

    Hee hee hee.  ;D

    That's the thing, too: people are applying 21st century movie 'sense' to 20th century movies. When the first three Alien films came out, the word franchise didn't even apply to films. It was pretty much exclusively used in relation to fast food chain restaurants. The idea of 'we're makin' a film franchise here' was a foreign concept.

    They made a movie. It was a hit. They decided to make a sequel. It was a hit, too. They decided to make another sequel. It did so-so. But each step of the way, they decided what they wanted to do for that particular film, and they did it, for better or worse. Accusing Alien3 of 'bad franchise-building' is, for lack of a better word, inappropriate.
  22. BishopShouldGo
    Lol diminishing returns. Alien and Aliens were two of the top ten grossing films in their respective years, and had 9 Oscar nominations total. Both while being R-rated horror films.

    Whoever didn't tell Sigourney to shut up and let us handle the story, and back up an extra dump truck of money into her driveway, was being financially irresponsible.

    And Alien 3 WAS a cheap cash-in. "We could piss on the wall and call it Alien 3 and we'd still do good business." Just because they spent a lot of wasted time and money on the project doesn't mean it wasn't a cash-in. They wasted time and money because they couldn't decide on a story, hence the whole script not being finished and sets never being used situations.
  23. HuDaFuK
    Yes, Weaver wanted her to die.  And that was dumb.  Youth has its poor decisions.

    How was it dumb to want to do something unique with the character and stop it becoming a long, drawn-out franchise of diminishing returns?

    Who's to say she hasn't now changed her mind simply because she's not making big bucks any more? That's basically what happened with Resurrection. Is reneging on your one-time ideals for a paycheck not dumb?

    Yes, Weaver wanted her to die.  And that was dumb.  Youth has its poor decisions.  But the studio wanted to make a cheap film and cash in on the appeal of the first 2 films.

    Alien 3 was anything but a cheap cash-in. They spent $13 million and 5 years developing it before they had even shot a single scene.

    Yes, we are talking about a fictional creature.  This is an opinion thing.  If you prefer your aliens to have all sorts of surprise powers and abilities that have not been explored, that's fine.  But make a story out of it, rather than sheepishly saying, this kinda happened.

    They did make a story out of it. It was a defender for the soon-to-be-born Queen. It makes no less sense than Cameron making the Queen to explain away so many eggs in Aliens.

    If you want a franchise with longevity, don't kill off the main character(s).

    Sure, who cares what the film's about as long as we can make a sequel!

    Give me a break.
  24. Elmazalman












    PS> Has there ever been a movie series like Alien & Aliens, where the sequel was so good that it actually divided the whole fanbase? It's amazing when you think about!


    STAR WARS/THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

  25. 426Buddy
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    We had a set-up for a grand confrontation between the mystery of the alien and our favorite heroine, and the whole opportunity was wasted on Fox's cheap quick-profit
    ..But Weaver wanted Ripley to die and in fact it was a stipulation made by her that Ripley was to die in the film and it was in fact the only reason she got involved with Alien 3, that and the boatloads of money and being able to have the say on what should happen in the movie. so you kinda lost me here.

    Fox was the one that never wanted her to die.

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    The whole "multiple spores from one egg" is a stretch
    How? we're talking about a fictional Alien Race with acid for blood how is that anywhere close to a stretch?

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    Ripley is the core character, so killing her off is stupid.
    While she may be the Core Character of several films she shouldn't be the core character of a whole Universe. and the idea of killing off a core character isn't stupid it depends on it's execution as anything does, if killing off a Core Character is needed to progress further in a Universe and explore other avenues than it can be done and probably should be done. otherwise if the very idea of killing off a character is bad Game Of Thrones couldn't exist.

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    I mean none of the mysteries of the Alien or the derelict were even addressed.  Even Ridley Scott was perplexed that nobody looked into that.
    While I like the idea of exploring the SJs and Xenos I actually prefer their origins to not be explained much. because the Xenos represent the fear of the unknown telling us what they are and where they came from takes away that mystery, not to say they shouldn't touch on it especially in the case of the SJs. I just don't like having something explained to me that didn't need to be explained that's the main problems of the Prequel Series.

    Yes, Weaver wanted her to die.  And that was dumb.  Youth has its poor decisions.  But the studio wanted to make a cheap film and cash in on the appeal of the first 2 films.  It was the blind leading the blind.  Now both the studio and Weaver, recognize the value of the franchise from a dollars and sense perspective, but also from a story perspective.

    At 50 million I dont think fox was interested in making the film cheap per se, that seems like a pretty big budget for the time, certainly not cheap. Fox always knew this series was valuable, in fact thats part of the reason it turned out the way it did, they were so afraid it wouldnt be good that they kept interfering.

    Strange Shapes has some great articles detailing how the film came to be, no one was actively trying to make a qucik cheap film, all had the best intentions.
  26. Perfect-Organism
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    We had a set-up for a grand confrontation between the mystery of the alien and our favorite heroine, and the whole opportunity was wasted on Fox's cheap quick-profit
    ..But Weaver wanted Ripley to die and in fact it was a stipulation made by her that Ripley was to die in the film and it was in fact the only reason she got involved with Alien 3, that and the boatloads of money and being able to have the say on what should happen in the movie. so you kinda lost me here.

    Fox was the one that never wanted her to die.

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    The whole "multiple spores from one egg" is a stretch
    How? we're talking about a fictional Alien Race with acid for blood how is that anywhere close to a stretch?

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    Ripley is the core character, so killing her off is stupid.
    While she may be the Core Character of several films she shouldn't be the core character of a whole Universe. and the idea of killing off a core character isn't stupid it depends on it's execution as anything does, if killing off a Core Character is needed to progress further in a Universe and explore other avenues than it can be done and probably should be done. otherwise if the very idea of killing off a character is bad Game Of Thrones couldn't exist.

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    I mean none of the mysteries of the Alien or the derelict were even addressed.  Even Ridley Scott was perplexed that nobody looked into that.
    While I like the idea of exploring the SJs and Xenos I actually prefer their origins to not be explained much. because the Xenos represent the fear of the unknown telling us what they are and where they came from takes away that mystery, not to say they shouldn't touch on it especially in the case of the SJs. I just don't like having something explained to me that didn't need to be explained that's the main problems of the Prequel Series.

    Yes, Weaver wanted her to die.  And that was dumb.  Youth has its poor decisions.  But the studio wanted to make a cheap film and cash in on the appeal of the first 2 films.  It was the blind leading the blind.  Now both the studio and Weaver, recognize the value of the franchise from a dollars and sense perspective, but also from a story perspective.

    Yes, we are talking about a fictional creature.  This is an opinion thing.  If you prefer your aliens to have all sorts of surprise powers and abilities that have not been explored, that's fine.  But make a story out of it, rather than sheepishly saying, this kinda happened.  The whole beginning of Alien 3 is as if someone were embarrasingly setting a stage.  They're like, ok first this happened, then this happened, still with us?  Oh, and this kinda happened, whew.  Ok, now that we got the play pretend out of the way, here's our story.  The first 10 minutes were just 1 half-baked clustertruck after another.

    If you couldn't kill off a main character, the Godfather wouldn't exist.  But you see, the Godfather also topped out at 3 films.  If you want a franchise with longevity, don't kill off the main character(s).  I'm not saying to shoehorn in the characters into every episode and every moment, but come on, we're talking about ONE FILM that continues Aliens in a different direction.  If its good, then it may have more sequels.  If not, then we have Prometheus stuff.

    You know, exploring a mystery is not the same as solving it.  This is where Prometheus excelled.  Every question just led to more questions.  This could also have been the subject of Aliens 2.0.  But instead, the series went into the most unsatisfying direction I could imagine.  And don't get all holier than thou about the arc's integrity because there is no manifest destiny in the Aliens series.  Each successive writer just makes it up as they go along.  There's no map.  It's a journey not a destination.  So why not just give Blomkamp a chance to take things to a different place?
  27. Nostromo
    Here's your recipe:

    1/4 baked - The premise of an alien on the Sulaco.

    1/2 baked - An actual egg that makes 2 facehuggers aboard the Sulaco.

    3/4 baked - Killing off 2 fan-favorite characters in the opening credits.

    fully baked - Killing off Ripley, the main character

    Contrary to what many people on this site say, the Aliens series is not just about the "aliens" as characters.  It is still about the people, just as every good story is.  Ripley is the core character, so killing her off is stupid.  Newt gave her the reason to go on living, so killing her, kills Ripley on the inside.  And Hicks, well Hicks was just the coolest space marine ever, and he was the last one left from that James Cameron crew that everyone loved.  Killing him off too just closed the door on that whole Colonial Marine aspect of the second film.

    You want new characters?  Fine.  You have them with the Prometheus series.  Now the fans of James Cameron's masterpiece also want to have a film which respects the accomplishments of that film.  Go Blomkamp!  Go Blomkamp!  (Just no Ripley / Alien face masks please.

    For me, your name says it all, Perfect Organism. When I think, read or watch anything Alien that is what I want to find out more about. I'm sure many people are like that, they like that horror feeling deep in space in unknown territory...the adventure side of things, who could or couldn't care less about Ripley or other characters because they're just passers-by in these lands...

    But at the same I can understand others point of view..that like to see Characters especially Ripley just kick some Alien butt but in a smart movie not some shyte. You're right they should go ahead and make Prometheus and other Alien movies for us mystery Alien loving types and an Alien 5 will blended action, horror and mystery in it. Damn I wish James Cameron would stop that Avatar non sense and direct it...I just don't want another fanboy director making one...James Cameron is a perfectionist and that's what you need otherwise you get an AR.

    And yes no Alien Hats or Oculus Rift wearing Aliens.

    PS> Has there ever been a movie series like Alien & Aliens, where the sequel was so good that it actually divided the whole fanbase? It's amazing when you think about! When I was growing up I liked Aliens more, than around age 27 or so I competely became an Alien fanatic. I'm sure most of you like both movies but have a favorite.

    Anyhow with or without Ripley I could care less, just want to see well written stories with Alien or Aliens made into movies. Preferably the horror type, set in space somewhere without too much gore or action unless it's made in a smart way like Aliens.
  28. The Alien Predator
    I think that keeping Ripley in is beyond stupid and repetitive.

    Killing her off was the best thing this franchise has done. It grew a pair and did what many franchises refuse to do.

    g2vd is right, she may be a core character of four films, but she is not a core character of the entire universe. Where's RIpley in Prometheus? Where's she in AvP? Where's she in AvP-R?... technically, where is she in Resurrecton?  :P

    And before I hear "BUT THOSE FILMS SUCK!", no, it's the script, not due to a lack of Ripley. Besides, I loved all of those films anyway so the negative opinion about them means sod all to me.

    I just want to see the story expanded and more characters struggle to overcome a galactic nightmare. Not some Mary-Sue who keeps coming back from the dead and turning a monster into a joke.

    It's bad enough as some people say, that Aliens turned them into space bugs, now these same bugs keep getting crushed over and over by the same person who is getting older to the point that it's getting silly now.

    Why doesn't Ripley start her own Exterminator company? Got a Xenomorph infestation in your kitchen? No worries! Call XenoRip Inc and your Alien problem will go away!
  29. HuDaFuK
    Yeah, what g2vd said.

    To give you an analogy that you may understand, it's like if we had Star Wars, and then Empire Strikes Back, and then at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the main characters die in a silly accident at the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    Also, that's not a particularly great analogy.

    For starters, it wouldn't be like offing the main supporting cast of Star Wars because Hicks and Newt were never even in the first movie.

    There's also the fact Star Wars is a hell of a lot lighter fare than Alien, a series that's ultimately about the harsh bleakness of space, not family, magic and cute cuddly Ewoks.

    (And even if that did happen in Star Wars, I wouldn't care so long as it brought something to the story, which I'd argue Hicks and Newt being killed does, at least as far as Ripley's arc goes.)
  30. g2vd
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    We had a set-up for a grand confrontation between the mystery of the alien and our favorite heroine, and the whole opportunity was wasted on Fox's cheap quick-profit
    ..But Weaver wanted Ripley to die and in fact it was a stipulation made by her that Ripley was to die in the film and it was in fact the only reason she got involved with Alien 3, that and the boatloads of money and being able to have the say on what should happen in the movie. so you kinda lost me here.

    Fox was the one that never wanted her to die.

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    The whole "multiple spores from one egg" is a stretch
    How? we're talking about a fictional Alien Race with acid for blood how is that anywhere close to a stretch?

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    Ripley is the core character, so killing her off is stupid.
    While she may be the Core Character of several films she shouldn't be the core character of a whole Universe. and the idea of killing off a core character isn't stupid it depends on it's execution as anything does, if killing off a Core Character is needed to progress further in a Universe and explore other avenues than it can be done and probably should be done. otherwise if the very idea of killing off a character is bad Game Of Thrones couldn't exist.

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    I mean none of the mysteries of the Alien or the derelict were even addressed.  Even Ridley Scott was perplexed that nobody looked into that.
    While I like the idea of exploring the SJs and Xenos I actually prefer their origins to not be explained much. because the Xenos represent the fear of the unknown telling us what they are and where they came from takes away that mystery, not to say they shouldn't touch on it especially in the case of the SJs. I just don't like having something explained to me that didn't need to be explained that's the main problems of the Prequel Series.
  31. Perfect-Organism
    Here's your recipe:

    1/4 baked - The premise of an alien on the Sulaco.

    1/2 baked - An actual egg that makes 2 facehuggers aboard the Sulaco.

    3/4 baked - Killing off 2 fan-favorite characters in the opening credits.

    fully baked - Killing off Ripley, the main character

    An Alien being on the Sulaco is half-baked? The Queen got there just fine at the end of Aliens. So having one Alien there is OK, but having any more than that is half-baked?

    What's so silly about a Facehugger that can implant a Queen as well as a drone to protect her? That actually makes total sense from a survival point of view. Isn't the Alien meant to be the perfect killing machine? Why wouldn't it evolve to give the infant Queen a bodyguard from the word go?

    Given how their deaths and their impact on Ripley are the major point of the first act of the film, it's hardly a half-baked idea to kill Hicks and Newt, even if the actual offing is done right at the start.

    And Ripley's death is probably the most beautifully executed scene in the entire franchise. Calling her death "half-baked" is a bit ridiculous.

    Alien 3 is the definition of half-baked, once you take your rose-tinted glasses off.

    Actually it would be the definition of turning an almighty clusterf*ck into a surprisingly decent film.

    Yes, an alien on the Sulaco is half-baked because we see the queen left the elevator with no eggs in hand.  So unless you like the idea of perhaps Bishop picking up an egg, well how did it get there?  It belies a level of stupidity on the part of Ripley for not checking the landing gear that is totally not in line with her character.

    The whole "multiple spores from one egg" is a stretch, but one that could have worked if it was a more central theme in a movie.  It could have been a moment of discovery about the alien species, but instead, the whole thing just got glanced over, because in truth the writers didn't have a real explanation.

    I never said Ripley's death was half-baked.  I said it was fully baked.  Alien 3 was the exact opposite of what should have naturally happened in the series as far as story progression goes.  We had 1 Alien in the first film.  Then the second film opened up the world of the Alien a lot more with a large colony infestation, and the third film rather than building on that into something even grander, just wound the whole thing down.  If the objective of Fox was to kill the series, then mission accomplished.  I mean none of the mysteries of the Alien or the derelict were even addressed.  Even Ridley Scott was perplexed that nobody looked into that.  If the objective was to build something grander which could be built off of for the purposes of a franchise, it was an utter failure.  And this is why we are having this polemic 30 years later.

    To give you an analogy that you may understand, it's like if we had Star Wars, and then Empire Strikes Back, and then at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the main characters die in a silly accident at the Mos Eisley Cantina, and then Luke Skywalker dies in the battle at the end.  Yes that closes the arc, but that is it.  It is a permanently closed loop.  It is closing the arc with no satisfaction.

    We had a set-up for a grand confrontation between the mystery of the alien and our favorite heroine, and the whole opportunity was wasted on Fox's cheap quick-profit wank, leaving few options for a continuation of the series with its heroine.  That's how we got the resurrection wankery of A:R.

    Contrary to what many people on this site say, the Aliens series is not just about the "aliens" as characters.  It is still about the people, just as every good story is.  Ripley is the core character, so killing her off is stupid.  Newt gave her the reason to go on living, so killing her, kills Ripley on the inside.  And Hicks, well Hicks was just the coolest space marine ever, and he was the last one left from that James Cameron crew that everyone loved.  Killing him off too just closed the door on that whole Colonial Marine aspect of the second film.

    You want new characters?  Fine.  You have them with the Prometheus series.  Now the fans of James Cameron's masterpiece also want to have a film which respects the accomplishments of that film.  Go Blomkamp!  Go Blomkamp!  (Just no Ripley / Alien face mask please)

    Somehow I feel like including the phrase "performs fan service" is not a good sign.

    I think it is something that can really go either way.  You can easily screw up fan service by pandering, or you could do it well by following what the fans really want, with a good script.  I agree that it is a journey that can end badly, but there is an equal chance that it will give people something that they have hoped for for a very long time.
  32. HuDaFuK
    Here's your recipe:

    1/4 baked - The premise of an alien on the Sulaco.

    1/2 baked - An actual egg that makes 2 facehuggers aboard the Sulaco.

    3/4 baked - Killing off 2 fan-favorite characters in the opening credits.

    fully baked - Killing off Ripley, the main character

    An Alien being on the Sulaco is half-baked? The Queen got there just fine at the end of Aliens. So having one Alien there is OK, but having any more than that is half-baked?

    What's so silly about a Facehugger that can implant a Queen as well as a drone to protect her? That actually makes total sense from a survival point of view. Isn't the Alien meant to be the perfect killing machine? Why wouldn't it evolve to give the infant Queen a bodyguard from the word go?

    Given how their deaths and their impact on Ripley are the major point of the first act of the film, it's hardly a half-baked idea to kill Hicks and Newt, even if the actual offing is done right at the start.

    And Ripley's death is probably the most beautifully executed scene in the entire franchise. Calling her death "half-baked" is a bit ridiculous.

    Alien 3 is the definition of half-baked, once you take your rose-tinted glasses off.

    Actually it would be the definition of turning an almighty clusterf*ck into a surprisingly decent film.
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