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Alien 5 Delayed “Pending” Alien: Paradise Lost

Back in August Bloody Disgusting reported that Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5 (or 3.2) was being held back due to Ridley Scott’s Prometheus sequel. Blomkamp took to Twitter a few days later and reported that wasn’t quite true. However, according to the latest Tweet from Blomkamp Alien 5 is actually “kinda holding/ pending prometheus 2“.

Ridley Scott & Engineer Alien 5 Delayed

Ridley Scott and Ian Whyte on the set of Prometheus.

To what extent Alien 5 is being held back is unknown but it may appear to be a significant delay considering that Blomkamp is moving his energies elsewhere in the meantime. So I would expect to see less news on Alien 5 and more on Ridley Scott’s Alien: Paradise Lost which starts filming early next year.



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  1. CainsSon
    With regards to the introduction of new things. In truth, Ive been disappointed with this aspect of the franchise more than Ive been happy with it.
    The Queen was cool. The Dog-Alien, I loved. The stuff in A:R I liked, in concept, alone. The Newborn looked bad, Ripley 8 was cool if she was actually weirder and not shoehorned into being an Action-hero, the clones were cool (I really wanted to see what was cut out of Ripley 7), I hated the amphibian webbed feet on the xenos, the Predalien looked cool but made zero sense, the Engineers in the beginning of Prometheus are cool but once they wear those suits and have glowing holograms coming out of the Giger-esque tech, I hate them. Also, their suits would have been cool if they actually merged with their flesh and I got to see that, the snakes were cool, the Fifield-mutation was lame, the Trilobyte sucked, and the deacon was too big when it chest-bursted from the Engineer, it didn't look right coming out. I wish we had never seen a chest-burster in Prometheus at all. However, I liked it (the Deacon and Prometheus) overall.
  2. Magegg
    Promethues didn't introduce something new

    As opposed to Blomkamp literally hitting the reset button...?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of either proposed Alien-verse movie, but this argument seems a little hypocritical.
    For what the concept art looks, it's going to be radically different to Aliens. And the fact it's hitting the reset button doesn't mean anything, as they're not doing a remake but an alternate sequel; you can tell new kinds of stories using the same characters... specially since they've developed after the events of the past movie.
    As for what Ridley's sequel looks like, they're just getting other näive and innocent goo-touching explorers or something.
  3. Magegg
    How do you know Blomkamp's sequel will not do the exact same thing that's been done? So how do you know Alien V won't just be Colonial Marines (with Hicks, Ripley and Newt again) vs Aliens?
    I wouldn't be against repeating Aliens all over, that's something the movie series has never done, while Prometheus is largely a repetition of the first Alien plot, we don't need TWO repetitions of that, ha ha.

    At least Covenant has the decency of introducing new characters instead of bringing back old ones.
    Yeah, new characters that are either cannon fodder for the xenos, or that they're going to abandon right away, just like they did with Shaw from Prometheus, since whoever is writing doesn't know what to do with them next.

    At least Blomkamp's would give us the pleasure of having back two of our favorite characters, also they would be seasoned xeno hunters most likely, so they wouldn't be "fooled twice" and that makes it more likely to not repeat the same plot as the past movies...
  4. The Alien Predator
    How do you know Blomkamp's sequel will not do the exact same thing that's been done?

    Neil Blomkamp isn't famous for making some innovative stellar masterpieces out there. I haven't seen his other films besides District 9 and from what I heard, that's basically his best film.

    So how do you know Alien V won't just be Colonial Marines (with Hicks, Ripley and Newt again) vs Aliens? I mean, Blomkamp isn't exactly Steven Spielberg here, no offense to the guy at least he's no Uwe Boll.

    At least Covenant has the decency of introducing new characters instead of bringing back old ones.
  5. Magegg
    Promethues didn't introduce something new, just brought on board the ancient aliens theory and added a lot of unexplained nonsense... hell, Damon "Mr. Lost" Lindelof walked out of the sequel because not even him could explain or give a direction to all the bullshit he included at that movie =/
    I mean, I loved the movie, it was a great nostalgic throwback to the original Alien, but doing it just once again becomes unacceptable this time...

    The only difference with this one is going to be that this time it will actually tie in with Alien, but that's just bad planning, Prometheus could have finished with the Jockey crashing on LV-### (whatever number it was the Alien derelict ship) and then there wouldn't be any need for this movie.

    Just greenlight Blomkamp's sequel, god dammit :/
  6. The Alien Predator
    Prometheus was nothing like Alien save for including some aesthetics and the Deacon at the end.
    It was just like Alien. An exploration team goes in a ship, they inspect some ancient structure, creatures inside it infect passengers, a creature breaks free and start killing everyone.

    Covenant I guess it's going to be just the same as that, more cannon fodder expedition members, another variant of the xeno, probably Fassbender giving some exposition in the middle... it's like either Scott only likes to do that, or Fox wants to keep the same formula to ensure good box office... and we all are going to watch it.

    I see what you mean.

    I do love it when new things get introduced, my favourite things about Prometheus is them introducing the Engineers and how they seed life. This has introduced the possibility of there being more life out there, and some being as intelligent as us too.

    So I understand why you are cautious about Covenant re-treading on old things and repeating the cycle.

    To me however, Covenant feels like it will introduce new things like Prometheus did with the Engineers while Alien V (from what I've mostly been hearing) seems to want to re-do what Aliens did and with the same characters to boot. The only "new" stuff I've seen is some strange monolith like structure from the concept art.

    In the end though, so long as the films are good, I won't be too bothered. But I'm with you on hoping that new things get explored like finally meeting the Arcturians. It's like a breath of fresh air. Best thing is wait and see how it turns out.
  7. Magegg
    Prometheus was nothing like Alien save for including some aesthetics and the Deacon at the end.
    It was just like Alien. An exploration team goes in a ship, they inspect some ancient structure, creatures inside it infect passengers, a creature breaks free and start killing everyone.

    Covenant I guess it's going to be just the same as that, more cannon fodder expedition members, another variant of the xeno, probably Fassbender giving some exposition in the middle... it's like either Scott only likes to do that, or Fox wants to keep the same formula to ensure good box office... and we all are going to watch it.
  8. The Alien Predator
    I'm definitely annoyed by this, Blomkamp's Alien V seemed to be a step in the right direction, while this "Covenant" synopsis looks like Scott is simply going to do ONCE AGAIN the same plot from all the Alien films he has directed. What a bummer =(

    What do you base this assumption on?

    Prometheus was nothing like Alien save for including some aesthetics and the Deacon at the end.

    What if Blomkamp's film turns out to be another Aliens? Let's see, it's got Hicks, RIpley, Newt, Colonial Marines and Xenos.

    What else had all of that? Aliens did.

    Needless to say, this was a step in the right direction, Covenant looks like it will at east explore more of the Engineers and other NEW things Prometheus introduced.

    While all Alien V seems to be promising is a confusing timeline and dead characters being resurrected without explanation.
  9. Magegg
    I'm definitely annoyed by this, Blomkamp's Alien V seemed to be a step in the right direction, while this "Covenant" synopsis looks like Scott is simply going to do ONCE AGAIN the same plot from all the Alien films he has directed. What a bummer =(
  10. Corporal Hicks
    I wouldn't put much stock in it. It seems to stem from a comment a few months ago that Scott wanted to do the Prometheus sequels himself because he regrets not getting to do the other Aliens. IGN took that as he wants to do all Alien films himself and compound that with people taking Blomkamp's "on hold" tweet to mean cancelled and you get this recent crap.
  11. Infected
    Yesterday i read a news article that the whole Alien 5 is shut down, because Ridles wants to end the franchise with his own style,
    and thus ending up at the first Alien.
    Anyone who can confrm this?
  12. SiL
    Well, exactly. You can have as many directors on set as you want, but they won't be doing anything if the budget's not being managed.
    Producer doesn't manage the money on set. Line producer mostly does that.

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    That'd be the same studio which prided itself on taking someone who had helmed nothing but adverts and music videos, for the sequel to 'Aliens', right? :)
    They prided themselves on hiring relative unknowns for all of the movies to that point. Scott had The Deulists and Cameron was given the director's chair before The Terminator was widely released. They saw in Fincher someone with potential and vision, like they had the last two times.

    Blomkamp has a track record and although D9 was successful and well received his other two films haven't been at the same level. They're not taking a chance on an unknown, they're gambling on an inconsistent known quantity.
  13. HuDaFuK
    That side of things is generally done in computer, these days.

    You're forgetting that Blomkamp is a massive weapons buff and loves to have things like that built practically ahead of time. There were a huge number of alien weapons built for District 9 that never even made it into the film. This kind of thing is his forte.

    You see a "downward spiral". I don't.

    Pretty sure the vast majority of people would disagree. CHAPPiE was wildly uneven whereas District 9 was infinitely more consistent.
  14. Corporal Hicks
    I'm calling it now: If Blomkamp makes another film that continues his downward spiral then the chances of him making Alien 5 are over.  Make no mistake, Fox will be watching to see if he can pull off another district 9, or if gone world will go the way of Elysium and Chappie.  This will be make or break for Blomkamp.

    You see a "downward spiral". I don't. I liked 'District 9' and 'Chappie' equally. The only exception is really 'Elysium' - and he's done the mature thing, stood up and very publicly acknowledged its flaws in a way which heavily implied he's going to try and rectify what led to them on future projects.

    I won't care if it's not made, but all this prophetic doom-mongering feels hysterical, man. :/

    I liked Chappie too but only because of Chappie himself and I like Die Antwoord for some strange reason. Critically, financially  and general opinion have this being another Elyisum for him.

    I'm expecting it to all go to pot if his next film is a tank too.
  15. marrerom
    You see a "downward spiral". I don't. I liked 'District 9' and 'Chappie' equally. The only exception is really 'Elysium' - and he's done the mature thing, stood up and very publicly acknowledged its flaws in a way which heavily implied he's going to try and rectify what led to them on future projects.

    Critically and financially yes, its been down hill since District 9.  I also admire that he had the integrity to acknowledge the flaws in Elysium. Time will tell if he learned from his mistakes. It all depends on how this new film turns out.


    That'd be the same studio which prided itself on taking someone who had helmed nothing but adverts and music videos, for the sequel to 'Aliens', right? :)

    good point.
  16. Xenomorphine
    Director's most important on set. Producer's most important in getting the thing off the ground.

    Well, exactly. You can have as many directors on set as you want, but they won't be doing anything if the budget's not being managed.

    No, I agree. Blomkamp could've paid to have that bashed together himself as a pre-vis. In fact I'd wager that's exactly what the situation is.

    That side of things is generally done in computer, these days.

    I'm calling it now: If Blomkamp makes another film that continues his downward spiral then the chances of him making Alien 5 are over.  Make no mistake, Fox will be watching to see if he can pull off another district 9, or if gone world will go the way of Elysium and Chappie.  This will be make or break for Blomkamp.

    You see a "downward spiral". I don't. I liked 'District 9' and 'Chappie' equally. The only exception is really 'Elysium' - and he's done the mature thing, stood up and very publicly acknowledged its flaws in a way which heavily implied he's going to try and rectify what led to them on future projects.

    I won't care if it's not made, but all this prophetic doom-mongering feels hysterical, man. :/

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    No studio in their right mind would let a director who's films have consistently done worse and worse near a big name franchise like Alien.

    That'd be the same studio which prided itself on taking someone who had helmed nothing but adverts and music videos, for the sequel to 'Aliens', right? :)
  17. T Dog
    I'm calling it now: If Blomkamp makes another film that continues his downward spiral then the chances of him making Alien 5 are over.  Make no mistake, Fox will be watching to see if he can pull off another district 9, or if gone world will go the way of Elysium and Chappie.  This will be make or break for Blomkamp. No studio in their right mind would let a director who's films have consistently done worse and worse near a big name franchise like Alien.

    You're "calling" the most blatantly obvious observation ever?
  18. marrerom
    I'm calling it now: If Blomkamp makes another film that continues his downward spiral then the chances of him making Alien 5 are over.  Make no mistake, Fox will be watching to see if he can pull off another district 9, or if gone world will go the way of Elysium and Chappie.  This will be make or break for Blomkamp. No studio in their right mind would let a director who's films have consistently done worse and worse near a big name franchise like Alien.
  19. The Eighth Passenger
    Blomkamp's looking at his next project - http://deadline.com/2015/11/the-gone-world-neill-blomkamp-fox-science-fiction-district-9-1201618007/

    Empire has a slightly longer article: http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/neill-blomkamp-talks-write-direct-gone-world/

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    "a sci-fi time travel procedural"

    http://www.nootsnotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bugs-Bunny2.jpg

    To be honest, I'd rather he do District 10, Marvin or some other original IP of his own invention.
  20. HuDaFuK
    I've enjoyed all of his films, but the ones since District 9 have been terribly uneven, with glaring flaws that offset everything that's good in them. CHAPPiE was the worst offender for this, it veered wildly between brilliant and kinda rubbish. I did enjoy it quite a bit, but I can totally see why a lot of people weren't impressed.
  21. Corporal Hicks
    I liked Chappie when I saw it in the cinema. I thought it was pretty quirky and Chappie himself was a great character. But yeah, I do hope this next one actually returns him to his District 9 quality.
  22. HuDaFuK
    If he can't deliver a film more on par with District 9, as opposed to the disappointing Elysium and CHAPPiE, then I really will start to wonder whether he's just a one-trick pony.

    Hopefully basing his new movie on someone else's story might help iron out the wrinkles in Blomkamp's script-writing abilities.
  23. stroggificated
    Oh well. Considering Alien:Isolation was the only good thing that happened to the Alien during the last 23 years, i couldn't be more indifferent today. For all i care, they can cancel both Alien 5 and Prometheus 2.
  24. HuDaFuK
    No, I agree. Blomkamp could've paid to have that bashed together himself as a pre-vis. In fact I'd wager that's exactly what the situation is.

    Hell, being the Alien(s) fanboy he purports to be, it might just be one he's owned himself for years, and has nothing in particular to do with the new movie.
  25. SiL
    That's the single most important person on a film set.
    Director's most important on set. Producer's most important in getting the thing off the ground.

    As for being enough into preproduction to machine prototypes, that really doesn't mean anything. That prop wouldn't have been expensive or time-consuming. Alien3 had sets constructed when they scrapped their entire script and brought on an entirely new director, not to mention direction, for the film.

    When the director walks away from pre-production of a movie to work on entirely unrelated projects, that is worrying, even with the pretense he'd be back. If the film was a sure thing they'd continue pre-production for as long as possible and use the time extension to their advantage, not disband and send their energies elsewhere. If Alien5 does happen down the line, there's now a very good chance that Blomkamp will no longer be confirmed as director without a fresh negotiation, leaving the project open for others.
  26. jimbo 30
    Aslong as both films are true to the alien franchise I don't really care as alien 3 and resurection to be honest are not that good.just hope alien paradise lost will be what the title suggests didn't mind Prometheus but was expecting at least a proper xeno connection not just that deacon at the end
  27. whiterabbit
    ... or those words exceeded the 185 character limit on twitter...

    Nah, if you add those words it would still be within Twitter's 140 character limit. Go on, count 'em rabbit! You know you want to.  :P

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    they're not facts, just conjecture.

    Xenomorphine was quoting from interviews conducted with Blomkamp, how can it be "just conjecture"?
    First, I thought twitter increased their character limit but then again, twitter is something I don't bother with and second, he said none of us know what the film is about. Hence the conjecture on the part of all of us. Which is why I agree with Xenomorphine that we don't know what the plan is nor where all of the hate for NB is coming from. I'm just happy that there's interest in the alien franchise.

    That being said, what kind of fan boy are you? Retcon or wet-my-undies? :P
  28. Xenomorphine
    You're assuming he had a say in it.

    Oh, I'm sure Ridley Scott's the one who had the ultimate say in it. :)

    The only way they'll let Blomkamp do A5 now is if Paradise Lost is a total bomb that fans hate it. Hence the "pending" part of his tweet.

    The only other way would be if he did one of the Prometheus sequels (which would be cool as he is pro the psycho-sexual Giger aesthetic) or if he took an element from the Prometheus series and made a continuation of it set sometime beyond Resurrection. I just don't see the A3 retcon ever happening now.

    Except Blomkamp's film has already been green-lit and is far enough into the pre-production phase for actual props to be getting machined and fabricated.

    There reason he wrote 'pending' really wasn't cryptic. There isn't any need to go searching for hidden meanings. Scott's the main producer. That's the single most important person on a film set. The moment the 'Prometheus' sequel is wrapped, then things will be full steam ahead. At this point, the project can afford to be that way - they won't be losing money by simply pausing for a while.

    If they were already filming, it would be a very different story.
  29. T Dog
    The only way they'll let Blomkamp do A5 now is if Paradise Lost is a total bomb that fans hate it. Hence the "pending" part of his tweet.

    The only other way would be if he did one of the Prometheus sequels (which would be cool as he is pro the psycho-sexual Giger aesthetic) or if he took an element from the Prometheus series and made a continuation of it set sometime beyond Resurrection. I just don't see the A3 retcon ever happening now.
  30. whiterabbit
    He is telling us, because of that, for now he is moving on.

    https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/659897245353951236

    The omission of the words "in the meantime" in that tweet is quite interesting actually. One could interpret it as, "he's done with Alien, he's moving on, not going back".

    But it could also just be a way of putting pressure on the studio again. I think they realise that they would need Blomkamp to make it happen. It's their IP but Blomkamp's story. Would he allow them to develop his story under a different director if he were to leave the project?

    I think NB has an admirer.

    Posting facts makes him neither an admirer nor a critic.
    ... or those words exceeded the 185 character limit on twitter... they're not facts, just conjecture. The only fact posted on this board is that none of us know what the hell's going on. Besides, why so serious. The comment has no meaning. Just after all the negativity someone came out and said it. None of us know much about it.
  31. The Eighth Passenger
    He is telling us, because of that, for now he is moving on.

    https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/659897245353951236

    The omission of the words "in the meantime" in that tweet is quite interesting actually. One could interpret it as, "he's done with Alien, he's moving on, not going back".

    But it could also just be a way of putting pressure on the studio again. I think they realise that they would need Blomkamp to make it happen. It's their IP but Blomkamp's story. Would he allow them to develop his story under a different director if he were to leave the project?

    I think NB has an admirer.

    Posting facts makes him neither an admirer nor a critic.
  32. Xenomorphine
    A few people seem to be acting as if this isnt bad news for Blomkamps Alien film. Yes, its 'holding' but Blomkamp also says it is 'pending' Prometheus 2... And he says 'as much as I like Ripley and the Aliens' he will be working on other things. He is saying basically that he isnt sure that its going to happen and isnt waiting, and he wont know until fox approves that its miving forward PENDING prometheus 2...  For whatever reason Fox wants to wait for Prometheus 2 to be finished before moving forward... Thats means its indefinite. He is telling us, because of that, for now he is moving on.

    http://i.imgur.com/wbbOitP.jpg
  33. whiterabbit
    I think the delay is going to be a good thing and like I have said before; NB can definitely pull it off. I'd just prefer something ~newer. I also don't think the delay is a death sentence, fox needs an R-rated sci-fi/horror/action movie in it's repertoire and Alien fits that bill perfectly.

    Oh and the reason I feel he wants to redue alien³ is because that is what he has hinted at since he made the announcement. You know, to make the sequel to aliens that he wants too. It is what it is. Not an alien movie persay, but his version of the sequel he wanted to see ~25 years ago. I don't think he needs to do that nor do I want them to go into that direction and yes that is where I think the movie was headed. However I'll take whatever he gives us to be honest. :P

    Go Neil Bloomkamp. *waves xeno-flag™ in the air. Go team NB. :P
  34. CainsSon
    A few people seem to be acting as if this isnt bad news for Blomkamps Alien film. Yes, its 'holding' but Blomkamp also says it is 'pending' Prometheus 2... And he says 'as much as I like Ripley and the Aliens' he will be working on other things. He is saying basically that he isnt sure that its going to happen and isnt waiting, and he wont know until fox approves that its miving forward PENDING prometheus 2...  For whatever reason Fox wants to wait for Prometheus 2 to be finished before moving forward... Thats means its indefinite. He is telling us, because of that, for now he is moving on.
  35. Xenomorphine
    I think NB has an admirer.

    For the record, I was one of the loudest critics against the spontaneous outpouring to champion getting the project green-lit, based on nothing but some pretty concept art being dumped into the public domain. I was very mindful that 'Colonial Marines' had some nice pictures when that was in development, too.

    However, I'm also a big believer in giving a film a chance, so long as it's being helmed by competent talent. Some of the interviews have given me hope it won't be as superficial as some were fearing, certainly. Especially when he was very open and up front about acknowledging the flaws of 'Elysium' (which is more than can be said for Ridley Scott, in regards to 'Prometheus').

    Until we get some concrete news, either way, I'm content to just sit back and hope for the best. I just don't see the sense in hyping or bitching about it, when we're cruising along in an absence of information.
  36. windebieste
    I believe Blomkamp is capable of making a very good 'ALIEN' movie.  As a Director, I think he can pull it off.  I've seen all of his stuff to date and it's a mixed bag, for sure.  He's technically very competent and capable of placing something on the big screen that will be a very engaging piece of cinema framed within this series. 

    To do so, he will need a great script and a completely fresh cast to fill the necessary roles of pitching the USCM against Xenos.  It would be the bomb! 

    I want to see that movie get made.   The presence of Ripley and Hicks just complicates the entire situation.  Needlessly.

    -Windebieste
  37. Xenomorphine
    The new BSG producers didn't approach their project with cries of "Oh, boo-hoo! My favourite characters died mid-season* it's time we fixed this.  Let's bring them back, ignore the rest of the series and use the same aging actors to play their beloved characters 30 years later.  That way, we can give them the ending they deserve!  It'll be so much better this time."

    You know why they didn't do that?  Coz that would have been shit.

    But neither is Blomkamp.

    When have you seen him interviewed and express seething anger over Hicks, Newt or even Ripley dying? Never has.

    Again, his original story was going to take account of 'Alien 3'. If you want to blame anyone for switching that around, then Sigourney's your girl.

    The same actress who repeatedly spoke of appreciation and admiration of the third and fourth films in successive interviews, down the years, when virtually nobody else had wanted to. :)

    It suits your prejudice to imagine Blomkamp as some kind of hate-fuelled fan-boy type, who's doing this purely to resurrect Hicks/Newt (let's not lose sight of how Newt hasn't featured in any released material and, for all we know, might be dying in this film's story, too), but that's not the slightest bit accurate to the real guy. He's doing this because he loves the original two films and the work of HR Giger, in particular. He loves the first one more than the second. He's also been influenced by 'Alien Isolation' to try and make this project look and feel very like it. He wants to bring back the psychosexual stuff which was completely, utterly absent from the third and fourth films.

    So, please, people... Let's relax and stop building up this false ideal of what his motivations are. None of us want to see 'Pitchford - The Motion Picture' and there's not so much as a hint of anything close to that. So far as I can see, this is going to have the visual tone of 'Alien Isolation', the action sequences of 'Aliens' and a legitimate stab at replicating the nightmarish horror of 'Alien'.

    If it succeeds in that, how could it possibly be a bad thing?

    Let's just hope it does and that we're entertained along the way.
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