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New AvP Novel Series from Tim Lebbon

With early copies of Alien – River of Pain finding their way into fan’s hands, an advertisement at the back is drawing attention. It has been known for sometime that Tim Lebbon would be writing a new Alien-related trilogy, following on from the events as set-up in Alien – Sea of Sorrows, it was unknown until now that it would in fact be a new AvP novel series.

191114_03 New AvP Novel Series from Tim Lebbon

  • Part One – Predator: Incursion
  • Part Two – Alien: Invasion
  • Part Three – Alien vs. Predator: Armageddon

The trilogy is being called The Rage War. No further details are available at this point. This will mark a return of Alien vs. Predator to the novel format after nearly 15 years – 10 if you’re counting from the movie novelization – and be the first original AvP novel.

River of Pain also includes an advertisement for a republishing of  the late A.C Crispin’s Alien Resurrection novelization, finishing off the republishing they started this year with all of Alan Dean Foster’s novelizations. Thanks to Perfect-Organism for this news.



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  1. RakaiThwei
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 07:17:03 AM
    I'm sure a mass of weaponized Xenomorphs specifically going for the Predators would be good enough. Remember, the EU always displays their humans being their strength and if numbers were sufficient enough...well, AvP flashback.

    Maybe but we also have to remember that there is an unspecified number of clans. Some of these clans maybe potentially allied with one another, others maybe antagonistic. I'm sure that there are some very strong clans out there with maybe a high number count as well, and throw in potential allied clans.. Well, obvious numbers speak. So for the Predators to be fleeing, some extremely powerful force would have to get them running with Xenomorphs under some control.

    You mention the AvP flashback, so I am going to assume you mean the movie. Those Aliens were bred for a specific purpose, and for a few hundred years the Predators were successful... until somewhere along the line, something got screwed up which resulted in the indigenous population of Antarctica being wiped out and the Predators overwhelmed. There were three fighting that pyramid and they took down dozens before being taken down. Their last minute ditch was the self-destruct which... did the job of course. But that was just one clan.

    So... what I want to say or ask.. is this ONE clan fleeing or multiple clans? If it's one clan.. I suppose that would be more likely for Xenomorphs to make this one clan of Predators to flee. If it's more than one clan, or the whole race (Super Predators not accounted for due to species tension) then it'd have to be DAMN serious.

    ....You mentioned the Engineers using the Xenomorphs, well.. what if it's not them? What if it's the Super Predators? Kind of invokes Three World War and AvP: Evolution if that's going to be the case.
  2. Corporal Hicks
    Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 29, 2015, 09:47:19 PM
    I'd argue its more a case of simple plot convenience to reset the universe lore with a somewhat desperate way to link back to the events of Resurrection but that's probably more me being a pessimistic old git.

    Not too sure about that considering that James had to go back and tie in 3 and Resurrection retrospectively after the novel was already written. I'm sure something similar was always in the book.

    Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 29, 2015, 06:18:17 PM
    Exactly, and weaponizing Aliens wouldn't be enough to get them running en masse. I know that the old EU is not accounted for but we've seen Aliens being weaponized against the Predators... in Three World War. The Predators didn't run from those Aliens, and I'm talking way before the joint team up with the USCMC.

    So it'd have to be something EXTREMELY serious to get the Predators running. Although I can't imagine how serious with the Xenomorph it'd have to be. Considering the experiences the Predators have with the Xenomorph, I doubt infestation of homeworld would be that much of a problem assuming the Predators are fleeing from the homeworld.

    I'm sure a mass of weaponized Xenomorphs specifically going for the Predators would be good enough. Remember, the EU always displays their humans being their strength and if numbers were sufficient enough...well, AvP flashback.
  3. happypred
    Quote from: predxeno on Mar 29, 2015, 09:51:36 PMThe entire Alien movie series is just one explosion of irony actually; at the end of Aliens, Ripley makes such a great effort to protect Newt, her surrogate daughter, only to lose her at the very beginning of Alien 3.  Aliens: Sea of Sorrows lessening Alien: Resurrection's thematic impact isn't a specifically new trend for this series as of late.

    The Aliens series needs to move on from Ripley. Ripley was an excellent character played to near-perfection by Sigourney Weaver, but the series shouldn't be limited to constantly re-visiting this one character. I don't like Alien 3, but I feel that it does conclude her story arc nicely. I'd like the series to progress, to introduce new characters and situations. 
  4. Ultramorph
    Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think the weapoized Xenos are from WY. It wouldn't make sense for them to be coming from (assumingly) remote Predator space. Maybe it's Elden 2.0.  :laugh:
  5. predxeno
    The entire Alien movie series is just one explosion of irony actually; at the end of Aliens, Ripley makes such a great effort to protect Newt, her surrogate daughter, only to lose her at the very beginning of Alien 3.  Aliens: Sea of Sorrows lessening Alien: Resurrection's thematic impact isn't a specifically new trend for this series as of late.
  6. TheBATMAN
    I'd argue its more a case of simple plot convenience to reset the universe lore with a somewhat desperate way to link back to the events of Resurrection but that's probably more me being a pessimistic old git.

    But nevertheless it goes against everything Ripley stood for. She spent her life and subsequent second life trying to prevent such a threat from reaching Earth to wipe out humanity, only to more or less manage it herself via other means...
  7. Ultramorph
    I think that was part of a deliberate role-reversal, with Ripley looking foolish and the resurgent W-Y looking very capable and dangerous. The original Ripley also came off foolish, since she and Hoop totally failed to destroy the hive on what became New Galveston.
  8. TheBATMAN
    Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 29, 2015, 05:16:26 PM
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2015, 04:34:58 PM
    Do they deal with the actual physical fallout of the Auriga's crash in any way?

    Yes, it caused climate change that was threatening to be catastrophic, so the resurgent WY has been terraforming Earth. It also made it sound like France pretty much doesn't exist anymore. "Used to be an important European country" or something like that.

    I'm surprised no one else found this particular plot point completely idiotic. Ripley crashed the Auriga specifically to prevent a disaster of Aliens finally reaching Earth, only to almost destroy the entire planet anyway.
  9. Ultramorph
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2015, 03:55:58 PM
    Anyway, I hope it introduces a new species or it's the Engineer's coming out full force. It'd have to be something really serious to get the Predators running.

    The Engineers going on a warpath for Earth, displacing the Predators along the way, would be pretty cool, but I doubt Fox is allowing anyone to play with them like that. Look at how lightly they had to tread in Fire and Stone. A new species would be cool, as well.

    I have my fingers crossed that the Arcturians become involved somehow.
  10. RakaiThwei
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2015, 03:55:58 PM
    It'd have to be something really serious to get the Predators running.

    Exactly, and weaponizing Aliens wouldn't be enough to get them running en masse. I know that the old EU is not accounted for but we've seen Aliens being weaponized against the Predators... in Three World War. The Predators didn't run from those Aliens, and I'm talking way before the joint team up with the USCMC.

    So it'd have to be something EXTREMELY serious to get the Predators running. Although I can't imagine how serious with the Xenomorph it'd have to be. Considering the experiences the Predators have with the Xenomorph, I doubt infestation of homeworld would be that much of a problem assuming the Predators are fleeing from the homeworld.
  11. Nightmare Asylum
    That actually doesn't sound so bad, though WY being among the companies that resurface is a bit of a stretch, since Res gave the impression that they had completely gone under. Would have been cool to see some different companies with different agendas, but I get why they'd want to use WY.

    Do they deal with the actual physical fallout of the Auriga's crash in any way?
  12. HuDaFuK
    USM folded after the Auriga kinda, you know, nailed the planet, and W-Y and other corporations simply had a resurgence in their place.

    No mention of the USCM, though. At least not that I remember.
  13. Corporal Hicks
    It is post-Resurrection. But they reset the status quo in Sea of Sorrows to equate to something more akin to post-Alien 3. Anyway, I hope it introduces a new species or it's the Engineer's coming out full force. It'd have to be something really serious to get the Predators running.

    I'll try and get a copy of the cover in a decent size.
  14. Ultramorph
    Sounds pretty neat! I'm looking forward to Rage War quite a bit. It sounds like this will be the large-scale story I was hoping for. Also,
    QuoteSomeone has learned how to weaponize the Aliens
    I wonder if it's
    Spoiler
    W-Y.
    [close]
  15. RakaiThwei
    QuoteThe first in an epic trilogy crossing between Predator, Alien, and AVP! When huge Predator spacecraft begin entering human space in alarming numbers, the Colonial Marines assume an invasion and launch a full military response. Then they learn that the Predators are fleeing an invading force--an army of Xenomorphs! Someone has learned how to weaponize the Aliens, and their trajectory through Predator space has placed them on a path to Earth.Beginning an epic three-book space war that will include:Predator: Incursion; Alien: Invasion; Alien vs. Predator: Armageddon

    Interesting...?

    Though why would Predators flee from the Xenomorph? It's... kind of not like them, especially when in amassed numbers to flee from such prey.
  16. felix
    Amazon Synopsis is up.
    http://www.amazon.com/Predator-Incursion-Rage-War-1/dp/1783296240/ref=sr_1_4_twi_2_mas?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427618587&sr=1-4&keywords=predator

    QuoteThe first in an epic trilogy crossing between Predator, Alien, and AVP! When huge Predator spacecraft begin entering human space in alarming numbers, the Colonial Marines assume an invasion and launch a full military response. Then they learn that the Predators are fleeing an invading force--an army of Xenomorphs! Someone has learned how to weaponize the Aliens, and their trajectory through Predator space has placed them on a path to Earth.Beginning an epic three-book space war that will include:Predator: Incursion; Alien: Invasion; Alien vs. Predator: Armageddon

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51SnoDep3EL._AA160_.jpg&hash=81a22b3ad79cf4a3d787e536c196f65fb4865609
  17. Nightmare Asylum
    Could simply be that, even if Blomkamp intends to overwrite A3 and A:R, Fox doesn't want anything in this book (despite it taking place post-A:R and in the original continuity) to contradict anything in regards to the style of Blomkamp's film, the abilities of his Aliens, etc. It'd be bad marketing to put out a novel, even if it's story has no bearing on the upcoming film, that conflicts with it thematically.
  18. Ultramorph
    It will all become clear soon enough, I think. The W-Y Report will come out, and Rage War will come out, and it will be clear what's canon and what's not. I do agree, though, that a lot feels like it's up in the air.
  19. Ultramorph
    Over on Facebook, in the comments on Lebbon's post, someone asked about the changes, and his response was:
    QuoteOnly a little, luckily.

    So it seems like Alien 5 doesn't cause too many problems for the post-Resurrection period.
  20. Ultramorph
    QuoteFour days off training and I'm climbing the walls! Time for a quick bike ride later, methinks. But first ... edits to PREDATOR: INCURSION. It's the first novel of an alien & predator trilogy called THE RAGE WAR that I'm writing for Titan, and the announcement of the new Blomkamp alien movie has made things interesting!

    Couple that with Randy Stradley's comments on the new series in development over at Dark Horse...
    Quote@Randy_Stradley: @MertaNick @DarkHorseComics We're working on the next wave. The newly announced Neil Nlonkamp film caused a restart.

    Rage War is set post-Sea of Sorrows, which is set after Resurrection. If Rage War can be reworked to also take account of Blomkamp's new film, that would seem to indicate that the film won't be ignoring A3 and Resurrection. Either way, I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this all develops.

    I wonder of the delays on the Weyland-Yutani report are also due to Blomkamp's film.
  21. Corporal Hicks
    From Tim Lebbon's Facebook:

    QuoteFour days off training and I'm climbing the walls! Time for a quick bike ride later, methinks. But first ... edits to PREDATOR: INCURSION. It's the first novel of an alien & predator trilogy called THE RAGE WAR that I'm writing for Titan, and the announcement of the new Blomkamp alien movie has made things interesting!
  22. happypred
    Just a bit concerned as Titan and Dark Horse are unrelated.

    It would be a bit frustrating if Titan's AvP and Dark Horse's AvP ignore each other (or worse...contradict each other). I'm hoping that Fox has demanded some consistency between the two.
  23. Xenomrph
    Shit, one of the recent novels cribbed from Newt's Tale, of all things. I wouldn't be at all surprised if other esoteric EU sources started getting nods. 'Aliens: A Comic Book Adventure', anyone?
  24. predxeno
    I don't really need the F&S series shoehorned in, but I doubt the Rage Trilogy will ever ignore F&S considering that River of Pain (its predecessor) has already acknowledged it repeatedly.
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