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New AvP Novel Series from Tim Lebbon

With early copies of Alien – River of Pain finding their way into fan’s hands, an advertisement at the back is drawing attention. It has been known for sometime that Tim Lebbon would be writing a new Alien-related trilogy, following on from the events as set-up in Alien – Sea of Sorrows, it was unknown until now that it would in fact be a new AvP novel series.

191114_03 New AvP Novel Series from Tim Lebbon

  • Part One – Predator: Incursion
  • Part Two – Alien: Invasion
  • Part Three – Alien vs. Predator: Armageddon

The trilogy is being called The Rage War. No further details are available at this point. This will mark a return of Alien vs. Predator to the novel format after nearly 15 years – 10 if you’re counting from the movie novelization – and be the first original AvP novel.

River of Pain also includes an advertisement for a republishing of  the late A.C Crispin’s Alien Resurrection novelization, finishing off the republishing they started this year with all of Alan Dean Foster’s novelizations. Thanks to Perfect-Organism for this news.



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Comments: 48
  1. RakaiThwei
    What do you mean? Do you not like this new EU or something?

    I'm saying that I'm not interested in the new EU. Now I haven't said that I hated it or anything, just that I am not interested in the comics or the novels which are being put out. And sure there are reviews out there but they're not enough to get me hooked, line and reeled in. For me, the old stuff is where it is.

    While Prometheus did have its flaws, I generally like the ideas that it introduced. I think that Dark Horse has used these ideas very well from the film, and they have made a very gripping and interesting tale.

    I liked Prometheus when it came out in theatres, I liked the movie a lot but now.. I just don't seem to like it as much as I did two years ago but I still like it. What just irks me a bit is how they're accommodating EVERYTHING for Prometheus. I can understand that for Alien, but Predator? As a Predator/AvP fan.. I'd rather they left Predator out of that.

    I'm just hoping that Lebbon doesn't do anything extremely radical and different with the Predators, like Shirely did with the Hish with his Predator series. But since we have the Yautja and Hish interpretations, I suppose a third wouldn't hurt.. of course he could just write the as Predators, just amoral Hunters who are out for killing for thrills as Hicks and I discussed.

    Of course, if he wants to use the normal and Super Predators, I wouldn't mind if he used the Yautja concept for the normal Predators, but writes the Super Predators as Hish.. But I also wouldn't mind it if he didn't use either or.

    Also, I have disagree about Predators. It did a very solid job of expanding the Predator mythology while at the same time bringing the series back to what made the first film great in the first place.

    We'll have to agree to disagree there. I've stated many times on why I did not like PREDATORS, so I'll give you the short and skinny. I didn't like the preserve planet as I felt it eschewed what the first movie established of these hunters going from world to world as part of a challenging thrill, nor did I like the Super Predators as I felt they devalued the original creature. It felt like a love letter to the first, but also a rehashing of the first. Some scenes were shot for shot remakes.

    I don't think I wouldn't have minded the movie had it been marketed and labeled as a reboot than a sequel. Supposedly from what I heard, it was supposed to be a reboot but someone changed their minds.
  2. DarthJoker45
    The only thing going for me right now is Shane's movie. What scares me is that I don't know what his ideas are, but I just hope that they are something which I happen to agree with. After PREDATORS, for me anyway and probably only me-- things have been quite downhill for me. And with Fox's seemingly attempt to bury the AvP movies (and seemingly pretending they don't exist as I have not seen any 10th anniversary DVD or Blu-ray re-releases) and probably a bulk of the old EU to accommodate Prometheus but also incorporating elements of PREDATORS, I sort of gave up on the EU.

    So Shane's movie is really all I have going at this point, and he's teamed up with another film maker who's films I happened to like in order to write the script.. And with Shane having done re-writes to the original Predator, I shouldn't be worried.. but at the same time I'm just a little wary after PREDATORS.

    What do you mean? Do you not like this new EU or something? This is probably the best time for Alien, Predator, AVP, and Prometheus fans. We have gotten three solid Alien novels. We have a great 17-issue comic reboot event with Fire and Stone. We also have probably one of the best Alien games to ever be released in the form of Alien Isolation. Reviews have been overall positive for all three of these media tie-ins. While Prometheus did have its flaws, I generally like the ideas that it introduced. I think that Dark Horse has used these ideas very well from the film, and they have made a very gripping and interesting tale. Even though  AVP Fire and Stone has gotten a very mixed reception, it is still solid, and it has resurrected the concept by including it with Prometheus. Also, I have disagree about Predators. It did a very solid job of expanding the Predator mythology while at the same time bringing the series back to what made the first film great in the first place.
  3. RakaiThwei
    The only thing going for me right now is Shane's movie. What scares me is that I don't know what his ideas are, but I just hope that they are something which I happen to agree with. After PREDATORS, for me anyway and probably only me-- things have been quite downhill for me. And with Fox's seemingly attempt to bury the AvP movies (and seemingly pretending they don't exist as I have not seen any 10th anniversary DVD or Blu-ray re-releases) and probably a bulk of the old EU to accommodate Prometheus but also incorporating elements of PREDATORS, I sort of gave up on the EU.

    So Shane's movie is really all I have going at this point, and he's teamed up with another film maker who's films I happened to like in order to write the script.. And with Shane having done re-writes to the original Predator, I shouldn't be worried.. but at the same time I'm just a little wary after PREDATORS.
  4. Corporal Hicks
    Whether the next AvP is any good … we don’t know, but I hope that they really “go for it” in terms of budget.

    Or give us the TV show in the ‘verse. I’d really love that.

    I still think there's plenty of potential to do it right. I reckon we're not far off seeing a new one soon either. Everything feels very orientated around reinvigorating the franchises at the minute. I might be reading too into it but that's my impression.
  5. HuDaFuK
    Don’t worry – Shane Black will ensure that this franchise isn’t dead…  because the new Predator movie will be good and will make money.

    I really hope this is the case. Black is one of my favourite Hollywood players. His 80s/90s scripts were absolute dynamite (I watched The Long Kiss Goodnight just a few days ago - probably my favourite ever Samuel L. Jackson role), and I hope he can bring a little of that fizz to the new film (even if he isn't writing the whole thing).
  6. Russ
    From what I know (and have ascertained using my non-existent powers of deduction) Anderson, as Raka says above, really did want to deliver something that the fans would love. I’m not so cynical as to believe that he’s just saying “I’m a huge fan of Aliens and Predator” because he’s making an AvP movie (look at Event Horizon – it could be set in the alien-verse). However, his hallmark is that he makes good looking, extremely profitable movies for a low budget.

    I’m sure that his pitch and “vision” had Colonial Marines charging around a Predator pyramid fighting an alien infestation or something like that, but it seems to me that Fox really wanted to hedge its bets on this (and the next) movie. I guess you can’t level that accusation at them for “Prometheus” though, I’m sure that was quite expensive – if not as entertaining as AvP (in my opinion).

    But yes, I am sure that AvP was earth-bound because of the budget, and we know that AvP:R was under stringent budgetary conditions (the Bros definitely wanted space and Fox said “no.”).

    As for Davis saying he thought it'd be scarier on earth, well yes he did say that, but would it be cynical to suggest that he said that because of the budgetary constraints or because he thought the Antarctic with explorers and archaeologists would be scarier than a space hulk / pyramid with colonial marines?

    Don’t worry – Shane Black will ensure that this franchise isn’t dead…  because the new Predator movie will be good and will make money. Whether the next AvP is any good … we don’t know, but I hope that they really “go for it” in terms of budget.

    Or give us the TV show in the ‘verse. I’d really love that.
  7. RakaiThwei
    Wasn't it just budget that made them set it in the present? Future apparently = expensive (although trying telling Alien(s) that).

    I've heard various claims such as the budget being the main reason (although building a futuristic set in Prague is feasible, I'm not too sure on the details on such cost to build a set as such back in 2004-- and even then.. it could green screened) and another claim is that I've heard it was decisions made by either Davis or Anderson.
  8. HuDaFuK
    At the same time, I do think that we should've gotten the AvP movie which we all wanted and I mean a movie set either in the future in a futuristic megalopolis or a colonized world. But we didn't get that. You could point the finger at either John Davis or Fox for setting the film on Earth but I think that Anderson sincerely wanted to deliver something fans could appreciate.. but fate seemed to have deem otherwise. I can't and won't speak for the Brothers Strause.. as I now acknowledge that Requiem was mean spirited.

    Wasn't it just budget that made them set it in the present? Future apparently = expensive (although trying telling Alien(s) that).
  9. RakaiThwei
    Like, Russ, I happen to be a fan of the AvP movies (more so the first one anyway).. But I think now looking back at it, the first one was definitely better than the sequel. I would really like to see that storyline which the first movie presented continued in someway or another as a separate continuity, rather than just buried and conveniently forgotten despite Fox's seemingly attempt to do so.

    At the same time, I do think that we should've gotten the AvP movie which we all wanted and I mean a movie set either in the future in a futuristic megalopolis or a colonized world. But we didn't get that. You could point the finger at either John Davis or Fox for setting the film on Earth but I think that Anderson sincerely wanted to deliver something fans could appreciate.. but fate seemed to have deem otherwise. I can't and won't speak for the Brothers Strause.. as I now acknowledge that Requiem was mean spirited.

    And I agree with Russ, I'd love to see an AvP universe themed series but in regards to the diminishing returns.. I think we're at that point already. I mean why the rebooting and everything else?
  10. Corporal Hicks
    They haven't done  good AvP films because they've left behind all the core ideas that made AvP appealing, instead going for the famous aspect that just didn't translate onto screen - the team-up. IMHO anyway.
  11. Russ
    Thanks for double checking, as I say I had no argument with your dates, but the film was definitely the first cross-over I saw.

    You're right though, the ideas were never really translated across that well (I say that as a huge fan of the first AvP movie), but I guess it is easier to do things in a series of comics than it is on film.

    Which is why we should have an AvP verse tv show! Beer and wine. At the same time. It'd be great while it lasted, then we'd all be sick with a hangover of diminishing returns!
  12. Perfect-Organism
    Hmmm, just to be sure, I thought I'd double check.  The AVP craze started in Dark Horse Presents #34 which featured an Aliens story where the Alien Queen was on a predator ship.  This was November 01, 1989.  It was an Aliens story but it was the first chapter in the first Aliens Vs. Predator series.

    https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/91-166/Dark-Horse-Presents-34

    The story was continued in Dark Horse Presents #35 in December 1989.  This was a Predator story, but if you look closely, you can see an Alien head mounted onto one of the Predator character's chest armor.

    https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/91-167/Dark-Horse-Presents-35

    The first actual Alien Vs. Predator confrontation took place in Dark Horse Comics Presents #36 which was the culmination of the 3-part run in Dark Horse Presents.  This issue  came out in February 1990.

    https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/91-168/Dark-Horse-Presents-36

    (These 3 Dark Horse tales were eventually reprinted in Aliens Vs. Predator # 0 on July 01, 1990, and of course subsequently in the Aliens Vs. Predator TPB) 

    https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/91-043/Aliens-vs-Predator-0-of-4

    Man, that seems so long ago.  Nobody even really heard of Nirvana or Kurt Cobain back then.  No Oasis, no Spice Girls, no Brittney Spears, no Alien 3.

    But the official first issue of Aliens Vs. Predator came out on June 1 1990 (ahead of #0)

    https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/91-044/Aliens-vs-Predator-1-of-4

    According to IMDB, Predator 2 premiered in Westwood, California, on November 19, 1990.  So, the series definitely started in the comics.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100403/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf+

    It was apparent that the authors at Dark Horse were trying to create a story with loftier goals than the Predator movies on their own, but although the AVP stories in the comics were great, I just don't think that their quality was quarried through into the films.  There can be no loftier questions in life than where do we come from?, or what is our purpose?  For better or for worse, the Alien series tries to tackle these questions.  Although, one can't expect to find the meaning of life in Hollywood horror / sci-fi, the speculative nature of the Aliens series makes it more fun.  Every mystery solved, unearths another mystery.  But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  I love the Predator films too, but its just a different kettle of fish.  I think RakaiThwei said it best, Alien is like a fine wine, and Predator is like a great beer.  It's ok like this.  Beer's great too...
  13. Russ
    The Aliens vs Predator comic series came out before Predator 2 the movie.  The alien head in predator 2 was a nod to the comics...

    No way? Really! I'm shocked - I remember being blown away seeing the alien head in the movie and I had the first comic book (where Dutch's brother was the main guy)... I'm not disputing you're right, I'm sure you are, but I don't remember seeing the comics before the movie - then again, getting hold of imports was a much more specialised and labourious business than it is nowadays, so it must have been that they were available and I just didn't know they were there.
  14. HuDaFuK
    I wasn't trying to belittle Predator when I said it was low-brow... Low-brow can be fun as all hell. And I fully agree it's one of the classic action movies (in fact, I think the shootout at the beginning is a contender for the best ever put on film, it's incredible). I just don't think those films have the elegance of the first three Alien films. They were making a fun film, rather than a gripping film.

    Also, I can't help but wonder if people would still care all that much if we got the original Van Damme Predator in 1987... Winston's design did a lot for that movie.
  15. Russ
    There was a really insane Rutger Hauer movie that did just that. I can't remember what it was called, but I do remember that the it had  xeno (well, demonic entity) and the sidekick guy was called "Dick Derken" -- and he started off all nerdy then went into a "we need bigger guns" frenzy. It was set in Future London - I think in the Underground stations that were no longer in use... it was years ago when I saw it (I saw it, goddamn it, I saw it). Split Second... Point Blank - it was called something like that, anyway.

    As for Predator being low brow. With the benefit of hindsight, maybe. Not at the time - the reveal was awesome, it was a really clever idea - and nothing like or anything to do with Alien. No one even thought to put to the two together until that throwaway nod in the sequel started an entire industry.

    Whoever had he idea -- it was a great one. (I bet many of you know the history more than me).

    That said, Alien movies are more cerebral - but that doesn't make (the first) Predator daft. Also, its a beautifully constructed film - all the beats are there and there's some great acting. I know that its easy to make fun of these 80s films now, but there are some great moments -- check at Dillon and the General looking at each other when Dutch's attention is on the map. They KNOW they're setting him up and they FEEL shit about it. And, when Arnie says to Dillon that he used to be someone he could trust - there's genuine regret and hurt in the performance.

  16. HuDaFuK
    I think the Alien series has the potential to be equally versatile, it just never happens because COLONIL MARIENS RULE.

    That unused idea for a third film of hunting a Xenomorph in a Blade Runner metropolis, for example, could've been great.
  17. Corporal Hicks
    I think that the Predator series is the most versatile of the franchises in terms of story telling. Alien has a habit of being the same 3 or so stories every time. Predator is able to be any time, any story and any character without the restrictions of the Alien universe. Of course, that also has the potential to get too same-y but...that's just my stance.
  18. HuDaFuK
    Predator is arguably the best action movie ever made. If you think an action movie with muscular actors = "low-brow", I don't have much to say to you other than "you're entitled to your opinion"

    Predator is low-brow. It's got no plot to speak of, corny dialogue, cheesy acting and is essentially a pastiche of films Arnie/Stallone et al. had made several times before.

    That's not to say it isn't one of the best action movies ever made - I actually think it is - but it's not sophisticated at all.
  19. RakaiThwei
    That's like saying Alien is nothing more than a rip-off of Howard Hawks' The Thing (1951). Alien is a great movie because of superb execution. The same could be said of Predator

    I never said that a particular film was a rip-off of some other work of fiction. While Predator is a film which is superbly executed, it doesn't change the fact that it embraced the stereotypes what made the action film genre such a big fad back in 1980s-- that's why the original has such incredible staying power. I like Predator a lot, I am more of a Predator fan than Alien but I'm looking at it with the rose tinted glasses off. Also Predator happened to draw inspiration or parallels from a literary classic.. Beowulf!

    Infact.. Predator can be seen as a modern retelling of Beowulf! I mean Dutch and the gang couldn't take Diablo out with all their high tech weaponry and explosives.. until Dutch stripped himself of all that and took it on with nothing but primitive and makeshift weaponry and traps. In Beowulf, Grendel couldn't be killed with arrows, swords and catapults.. Beowulf killed him by his lonesome with nothing but his hands and know how. See the similarities?

    Predator is arguably the best action movie ever made. If you think an action movie with muscular actors = "low-brow", I don't have much to say to you other than "you're entitled to your opinion"

    Predator is one of the best action movies ever made, but I could list a number of action movies which rival or are simply better than Predator. Also I never once said that Predator was low brow, where the hell are you getting that idea from? What I am saying is that the first movie, was a product of it's time-- a 1980s action movie with big muscular guys who deliver memorable one liners and awesome explosions. 80s action movies are my kind of thing, and I love that shit. Mm'kay? Pop in a DVD Blu-ray of Predator, Robocop, The Terminator, First Blood.. I will be happy with that shit.

    You found the meaning of life in Alien? Right...

    I was sarcastically referring to the metaphorical artsy stuff which I was referring to in earlier parts of my previous post. You know the deeper themes which Hudafuk mentioned?

    No...I definitely won't be looking for the meaning of life in the hugely disappointing Prometheus.

    Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh! I'll have to admit, while I immensely liked the movie when it first came out.. I've started to like it less and less.
  20. happypred
    I don't think he's being elitist at all. The Alien films (or at least the first three) are very serious movies with some deep themes. The Predator films, by comparison, are cheesy and simplistic. I find them no less entertaining, but they're markedly more low-brow in tone.

    Notice how I never said the Predator films are as "high-brow" (whatever that means) as the Alien films. Thus, I don't think you're really addressing my argument, which is that the Predator series has the potential to be "philosophically rich" if a good writer has the desire to take it in that direction.

    Also, notice how that he doesn't simply say "Predator is cheesier than Alien". He's not comparing the films. He's comparing the franchises, i.e. the core concept of Aliens vs. the core concept of Predator. Anyway, that's how I'm interpreting this statement:

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    Alien is a much more elegant,  high-brow, philosophically rich series to me now while everything to do with the Predators just seems sort of childish

    If he's only saying "Predator is cheesier than Alien", I wouldn't say that's an elitist view. If he's saying "the Predator concept is childish, whereas the Alien concept is 'high-brow'". Yeah...that's pretty damned elitist

    But as a Predator fan, I've had to come to gripes with the fact that Predator is nothing more than an 80s B Action flick that happened to have a few A lister stars. The reason Predator is popular is because of it's embracing of the 80s stereotype of machisimo and explosions, and of course greased up muscle men. It's a popcorn flick and that's what it has going for it

    That's like saying Alien is nothing more than a rip-off of Howard Hawks' The Thing (1951). Alien is a great movie because of superb execution. The same could be said of Predator

    Predator is arguably the best action movie ever made. If you think an action movie with muscular actors = "low-brow", I don't have much to say to you other than "you're entitled to your opinion"

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    You're not going to find the meaning of life or any of the artsy metaphor stuff that the Alien movies have in it.

    You found the meaning of life in Alien? Right...

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    Look to Prometheus and Alien for that.

    No...I definitely won't be looking for the meaning of life in the hugely disappointing Prometheus.
  21. RakaiThwei
    The Alien films (or at least the first three) are very serious movies with some deep themes. The Predator films, by comparison, are cheesy and simplistic. I find them no less entertaining, but they're markedly more low-brow in tone.

    In agreement with Hudafuk here, but this is addressed more to HappyPred.

    The Alien films are considered more "serious" Sci-Fi when compared to the likes of the Predator films. I mean even Fox is going out of their way to essentially reboot/rewrite the mythology of the Alien, rather than so much the Predator mythologies (I am accounting EVERY interpretation of the Predators- Yautja and Hish). And as a Predator fan, it does pain me to say that the Alien films have some deeper metaphorical meaning to it that lots of people like.. artsy fartsy stuff.. And that's fine.

    But as a Predator fan, I've had to come to gripes with the fact that Predator is nothing more than an 80s B Action flick that happened to have a few A lister stars. The reason Predator is popular is because of it's embracing of the 80s stereotype of machisimo and explosions, and of course greased up muscle men. It's a popcorn flick and that's what it has going for it.. You're not going to find the meaning of life or any of the artsy metaphor stuff that the Alien movies have in it. Look to Prometheus and Alien for that.

    Someone likened Alien to a fine wine.. and Predator to a great beer. I'll take the beer, please!  ;D

    Sure, I'm sure there's lots of deep Predator EU material. But the films are many people's major impression of the series.

    Heavy truth to this. The EU does have a lot of deep stuff for it as far as the Predator is concerned. Infact, the (old) EU is what had made me become even more of a Predator fan than just watching the films alone could've done for me. I actually prefer the whole Yautja interpretation and the mythology which it presented. The Perry novels showed that the Predators do have a point of view and a very deep, spiritual side to them as well and how they view the Hunt. I know a lot of people prefer what is on the films but for me I prefer the Yautja interpretation.. I'm not going to touch the Hish mythology because of the things I've heard about, and the changes which had been made-- not to mention I haven't read it.

    Talk to anyone about the Predator.. Nine times out of ten, you're going to get the guy who has seen only the movies and doesn't really know much about the mythology and assumes all of the movies are connected. Chances are this same guy is the kind of guy who thinks that a Predator got killed by Danny Glover, not Michael R. Harrigan and makes a joke out of it. Point of the matter is-- the films are what enter the people's minds. Not so much the EU, assuming they haven't been made aware of it's existence.
  22. HuDaFuK
    You're certainly entitled to your "Aliens elitist" opinion (to each his own as you've said) but I believe the sophistication or depth of either franchise depends mainly on the skill of the writer handling it.

    I don't think he's being elitist at all. The Alien films (or at least the first three) are very serious movies with some deep themes. The Predator films, by comparison, are cheesy and simplistic. I find them no less entertaining, but they're markedly more low-brow in tone.

    Sure, I'm sure there's lots of deep Predator EU material. But the films are many people's major impression of the series.
  23. happypred
    I've been unable to take A V P seriously.  It's just hokey to me now

    ...because Cameron thinks it's silly? AvP is silly when it's executed poorly. There's nothing hokey about having two alien species in one universe. Aliens: the ultimate survival machines. Predators: the ultimate hunters. They fit together quite organically.

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    Alien is a much more elegant,  high-brow, philosophically rich series to me now while everything to do with the Predators just seems sort of childish.

    You're certainly entitled to your "Aliens elitist" opinion (to each his own as you've said) but I believe the sophistication or depth of either franchise depends mainly on the skill of the writer handling it.

    You can write a "childish" Aliens story. You can write a mature, "philosophically rich" Predator story. Perhaps the Aliens franchise has a higher ceiling  for "philosophical richness" but the Predator franchise doesn't have to be childish. I think a skilled writer could write a mature, stimulating Predator story.

    I think South China Sea represents a step in the right direction (I wouldn't call it philosophically rich...but it's well-written and quite mature). I hope Rage War ends up being even better
  24. Perfect-Organism
    Tim wrote Out of the Shadows.  It was fun to read a Ripley adventure I think, but the premise of her engaging in the adventure was hokey.  That being said, I think Tim Lebbon handled the adventure from a prose sense extremely well.  There were a lot of action scenes, and you felt like you were there in the hive.  The characterizations were fairly good in the novel and I found that I was able to empathize with the characters' dread throughout the course of the story.  They characters felt real.

    By comparison, I found that James A. Moore's writing in Sea of Sorrows never rose to the occasion in terms of character development, or even the action scenes.  Christopher Golden by contrast was also able to write both very well.  His action scenes were on par with Tim Lebbon, but I found that he was able to add another level to the characters in terms of emotionality, which in turn even enhances the horror.  Here is an example of the emotional depth that Christopher Golden was able to reach in River of Pain:

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Anyway, Tim Lebbon did not have to deal with such emotional depth because the story he was writing did not delve into such themes really.  So I think Tim's characterization is still just fine and not to worry about.

    To tell you the truth, I used to be an A V P fan in the early '90s but ever since I saw the films, they ruined it for me.  Also, ever since James Cameron pointed out how ridiculous the premise is, like Frankenstein Vs. Wolfman, I've been unable to take A V P seriously.  It's just hokey to me now, so I'm not expecting anything great from this new series.  That being said, if anyone can handle an AVP story well, it is Tim Lebbon.  His writing style is the least of my worry when it comes to this series.

    Alien is a much more elegant,  high-brow, philosophically rich series to me now while everything to do with the Predators just seems sort of childish.  Anyway, to each his own.  I know the Predators have lots of fans, and they are still entertaining.  Its just that Aliens fill me with a sense of wonder, and Predators fill me with,... meh.
  25. Ultramorph
    My copy didn't come with that advert.

    Curious. Lebbon's website has a small non-reference to what I assume is Rage War. The bolding is mine.

    http://www.timlebbon.net
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    It’s been a while!  And that’s because although I have new book deals to announce, I still can’t quite announce them yet.  As soon as the ink’s dry I’ll reveal what they are, but I’m very excited … an exciting deal for two thrillers, a major new tie-in project, and a trilogy that’s something a little different for me.  Lots of good stuff happening over the next few years, so I’ll talk more about that soon.
  26. RakaiThwei
    I'm just joshing. I hate the Yautja and I hate the Hish (that said I liked the Hish in Flesh & Blood) . I'd rather just see them as hunters. None of this honour crap, no politics. Just the big game hunters they're supposed to be. I wouldn't mind a new interpretation.

    I figured you were kidding.

    I wouldn't mind seeing them as Hunters but at the same time I don't want to see something which suggest that they participate in slave trading or conquering worlds, things along the lines like that. Much like you, I wouldn't so much as mind a new interpretation as well but I don't think that's really going to go that route.

    If anything, something tells me that Lebbon may either write them as just "Predators", which is of course the big game hunter which you want, or.. the Yautja concept. As much as I like the Yautja concept, I hope he doesn't use it but if he does, and if he happens to use the Super Predators.. well, I hope he writes the Super Predators as a different interpretation rather than lumping them in with Yautja. But reaching a middle ground, I'm in agreement with you.. Just write them as "Predators". Just Big Game Hunters. And I think I'd be satisfied with that.
  27. Corporal Hicks
    I'm just joshing. I hate the Yautja and I hate the Hish (that said I liked the Hish in Flesh & Blood) . I'd rather just see them as hunters. None of this honour crap, no politics. Just the big game hunters they're supposed to be. I wouldn't mind a new interpretation.
  28. RakaiThwei
    Personally I hope he uses the Hish.

    As long as he leaves the Yautja concept alone, I'm fine with whatever. But I'd rather he just write them as "Predators" rather than either.. Of course I prefer the Yautja but.. I think that's been messed with enough.

    But then again.. Fox seems to go with the Yautja concept, if the NECA backstories are worth something to consider. Still.. leave well enough alone, you know?  :-\
  29. RakaiThwei
    I'm curious to know how Lebbon will write the Predators. Will he take cues from the Yautja concept which the Perry's have given the fandom that's become immensely popular or will they just be written as "Predators"? Will he be bringing in the Super Predators and if he does, will he write them as a different culture with their own name? Will we see the Predators from their POV like the Perry novels?

    That's what has my attention the most. The fact that we know nothing about these particular novels is what's killing me, especially for the Predator and AvP side of things. Personally, I just hope that Lebbon doesn't do anything too far out there with the Predators. We've already had that with the Hish mythos but at the same time I hope he leaves the Yautja concept alone.
  30. RakaiThwei
    If you ask me, this is a big reboot.. considering the fact that the Big Deletion and everything (along with everyone) from the old canon seems to be well.. replaced.

    Interesting scenario you've presented though.
  31. Ultramorph
    My thoughts on what the subtitles may indicate:

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  32. RakaiThwei
    Looked up the definition of one of the sub-titles.

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Sure, Concrete Jungle sort of.. DID that but I did not really agree with that aspect of the story.
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