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Predator Comic Series Preview

Bleeding Cool has posted an interview they conducted with Scott Allie and Joshua Williamson in regards to Dark Horse’s upcoming Predator comic series, along with some fantastic new cover images:

“With Predator at first there was a drive, at least on my part, to keep Predator sort of loosely connected to the large universe, but as the group and I worked together I started to see areas to blend the books and really make it a cohesive story. And it would be a disservice to the fans and readers to not go where the characters and story takes us.”

Note the Engineer-esqe weapon in this image. Predator Comic Series Preview

Note the Engineer-esqe weapon in this image.

Big Comic Page also has an interview with Paul Tobin about the Prometheus series but there doesn’t appear to be any new material in there. Thanks again to Ultramorph for the news.



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  1. Ultramorph
    Since they already confirmed no Super Predators, I doubt we'll be seeing much from Predators in the series. The preserve planet idea doesn't really work without the Super Preds.

    I'm most interested to see what "crazy" thing they have planned, which Williamson alluded to on Twitter.

    On another note, I like how they seem to be drawing inspiration from Prometheus concept art. I'm hoping that we at least get some interesting, otherworldly aesthetics out of these series. Note the above-ground rooted plants:

    http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/481129_321008897996174_1799331451_n_zpsbfcdb02d.jpg
    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uKrk75hL--/c_fit,w_636/hzntajzeq8l8s5m3oaop.jpg
  2. happypred
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    Io9: There’s Predator, Predator 2, and Predators. Are they all canon?

    Williamson: It’s all canon to me. I love all three movies. I remember seeing Predator at home on video and then seeing Predator 2 in the theaters at the tender young age of 9. I’m pretty sure it was the most violent movie I’d seen to date and I loved it!

    If you look at how the continuity works in the original films they each work alone, but still acknowledge the ones before it. That’s the same attitude I’ve had with my Predator story. Listen, I’m a continuity junkie, to toss anything would be sacrilege, but I don’t want it to overpower what I’m trying to do here.

    However, notice that he doesn't really talk about Predators, other than claiming to love it
  3. RakaiThwei
    So does "launching this fall" mean September?

    Pretty much. I would think either September or October.

    Reading the article, especially on page two is that Williamson seems to be focusing more on using Predator and Predator 2 as inspiration for his story. Is he dropping PREDATORS? I most certainly hope so.. I truly do hope so. But something tells me that's just the writer of the article once more paraphrasing.
  4. Kimarhi
    I imagine it will be released without referencing the old EU.  That way there is nothing that conflicts either way.  Fans of the old EU can say that it didn't outright conflict what was already written.  Fans of the new EU won't have to accept the old EU if they don't want to.

    Works better that way imo.
  5. RakaiThwei
    I don't want to see anything about Grant Corp or the Rynth.

    I figure that we might see Predators doing the Blood Ritual or something.. that's probably it. I don't know what to expect but at the same time I am wondering about a lot of things. I asked those things which are on my mind at the fan Q'n'A.
  6. Ultramorph
    My guess is that the only connections we'll see will probably just be stuff like passing references to Grant Corp, or maybe a character will say something like "If I live through this I'm going to become a rhynth herder!" Little stuff that can be disregarded if we want to think of these comics as something separate. Like Scott Allie said, the rest of the EU is pretty far from the story they want to tell.
  7. RakaiThwei
    I will be honest, I most certainly hope that these new comics don't connect with the old comics, incase of the possibility that I disagree with how certain things are presented and would like this to be something on it's own. Of course, some questions were asked in regards if the Predators would be written in mind as either the Yautja or the Hish. And I remember that Scott Allie mentioned the timeline in that ECC discussion which I thought was interesting, and so a similar question was asked in regards to that over at the fan Q'n'A.
  8. Ultramorph
    That's probably accurate. It's like with movies: many people all talking about the same thing to multiple sources is bound to create confusion stemming from something being misheard or badly paraphrased. Either way, I think it's safe to say that these comics will have no appreciable connection to the old stuff, even though they will probably be ambiguous enough that fans can fit them into the old EU big picture if they want to. As such, I don't expect them to do anything that will radically alter what has been established before, IE we probably won't be getting anything like a new Hish mythos, and the Preds will most likely be written in a similar way to what Stradley and Perry did, even if they aren't explicitly called yautja.
  9. RakaiThwei
    We'll have to see. If they're doing these sort of Q and As this many months before release, I would think that they'll reveal at least a bit more. I'm looking forward to the exclusive art that will come with their answers.

    I was re-reading some of the interviews from Newsarama, and reading some of Sebela's statements-- doesn't really seem to suggest that it maybe shoe-horned into the old EU continuity. I've had someone else look into this as well and in his opinion, the interviewer who was talking to Sebela may have paraphrased or took what was said a bit out of context, or misinterpreted it. I'm not too sure.
  10. Ultramorph
    We'll have to see. If they're doing these sort of Q and As this many months before release, I would think that they'll reveal at least a bit more. I'm looking forward to the exclusive art that will come with their answers.
  11. Ultramorph
    A new interview with Scott Allie. Not much new:

    http://www.newsarama.com/20731-dhc-s-allie-unleashes-details-scope-of-prometheus-aliens-predator-line.html

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    Allie: Just miniseries, and then the fifth book is a one-shot titled Prometheus: Omega.

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    Allie: A lot of terrible things are drawn to the moon where Prometheus took place on, leading to a great deal of suffering. A salvage crew goes out looking for answers to some simple questions, they face some bigger questions, and are sucked into a very high-pitched horror adventure story that wrestles with some of the same questions as Prometheus, and the themes the best of these films tackled.

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    Allie: Short answer is yes. I haven't read anything for the next film, and I've been told relatively little, but the guys at Ridley's office are making sure what we're doing works with what they're doing.

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    These writers are creating the Luke, the Vader, of the Dark Horse version of Prometheus, et al, and they're really pushing to make the characters special.
  12. Ultramorph
    Chris Roberson was just interviewed by CBR and spilled some major spoilers about his Aliens series, and had some exclusive new art work. Looks like I was unfortunately right about a few things:


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    CR: Initially we were really bummed when Fox came in and told us to trash our scripts. My first issue was already written and Patric [Reynolds] was already well into the pencils, but when we got the mandate that we include Amanda Ripley, Ripley's daughter who, I think, appears in one deleted scene of Aliens, that just opened a whole new world of really cool possibilities for us.

    CBR: So your series will dovetail with the new game, Alien: Isolation? Was there any collaboration between the writers and the game developers?

    CR: Creative Assembly was great to us. Obviously since those guys are over in the UK they couldn't physically be there in the writers room with us, but we got to see a lot of fantastic concept art, and, of course, they sent us enough story details for us to work around. All I can say is that my Aliens series picks up about two years after the events of the game, and it sort of provides the next logical step for Amanda's story. She's gone toe to toe with the creatures her mother faced, and now she's looking for answers. Through a few twists that Paul [Tobin] sets up in Prometheus, she winds up making her way LV-223, but I can't say much more on that.

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    CBR: We know that Prometheus is the "beating heart" of this reboot, so how much of a role will the Engineers play in your story?

    CR: The Engineers will be a very consistent presence in all the books. What's funny is that people very rarely ever address the other aliens in the Aliens universe. Randy Stradley, who has done a lot of work on Alien and Predator books in the past and wrote the very first AvP story, along with Kelley Sue [DeConnick] had a huge binder this thick of Alien bible stuff. I kind of made it my mission to pick and choose a few choice thing from the universe Dark Horse has built and work them in to give fans something to get excited about. So part of what I do in Aliens is address the relationship between the Engineers and this species called the 'Giffs', who are from a novel that John Shirley wrote a few years back. There a couple of things like that in the different series that fans should really love.

    http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070224171832/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8b/Tholianportrait.jpg

    Giffs. Of all things, Giffs.  :P My enthusiasm for this reboot was low after that disappointing ECCC panel, but I think this has finally broken my back. I'm passing on these until reviews are out and they're collected in trade. Why is it so hard to not screw Aliens stories up?

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id4114
  13. Xenomrph
    there's so much variety and uniqueness shown in both the movies and the EU that Predators' sport-hunting practices could be very similar to human sport-hunting practices - that there isn't so much "tradition" as there's individuals (or at best, small groups, tribes, or clans) who have personal preferences. Each clan might have internal "traditions", but they certainly aren't "traditions" that apply to the entire species.

    Even if there is a "code of honour", each individual predator decides how strictly he'll observe it on an actual hunt, especially if the predator is hunting solo. In Prey, it's obvious Broken Tusk is a predator who actually takes honour seriously, whereas many of his students couldn't give two sh*ts about honour when the senior hunters are no longer around. They just want to murder whatever crosses their path
    To take that one step further, even if the individual decides to eschew "honor" for whatever reason, he still might be held accountable by the other members of his clan if he gets caught (see: "AvP: Blood Time").
  14. happypred
    there's so much variety and uniqueness shown in both the movies and the EU that Predators' sport-hunting practices could be very similar to human sport-hunting practices - that there isn't so much "tradition" as there's individuals (or at best, small groups, tribes, or clans) who have personal preferences. Each clan might have internal "traditions", but they certainly aren't "traditions" that apply to the entire species.

    Even if there is a "code of honour", each individual predator decides how strictly he'll observe it on an actual hunt, especially if the predator is hunting solo. In Prey, it's obvious Broken Tusk is a predator who actually takes honour seriously, whereas many of his students couldn't give two sh*ts about honour when the senior hunters are no longer around. They just want to murder whatever crosses their path
  15. Xenomrph
    I mean previous material suggested that the traditional hunters abhor the idea of using attack dogs, as seen in Three World War and even Evolution.
    I'm not so sure on that. Just because the Super Predators do something doesn't mean non-Super Predators automatically hate it. Super Predators use cloaking, wristblades, shoulder cannons, masks, and tri-lasers, after all.

    I also have a problem with the word "traditional" being thrown around when it comes to Predators, since there's so much variety and uniqueness shown in both the movies and the EU that Predators' sport-hunting practices could be very similar to human sport-hunting practices - that there isn't so much "tradition" as there's individuals (or at best, small groups, tribes, or clans) who have personal preferences. Each clan might have internal "traditions", but they certainly aren't "traditions" that apply to the entire species.
  16. happypred
    The Super Predators could just be their own thing. They don't have to be Yautja or Hish. I understand that you don't want them to be Yautja, but writing them as Hish would only bring back the Hish concept. Better to just let the Hish concept die and have unique Super Predators.

    Who knows...maybe a good writer in the future might be able to make the "Super" Predators actually super. They don't come off as super in Predators. They come across as extremely arrogant and careless, even moreso than regular predators...and they end up dying rather stupidly (especially Tracker) 

    The Super Predators resemble the "Killers" of the 2009 series more than they do the Hish. I think it would make more sense to equate Supers and Killers as opposed to Supers and Hish   
  17. RakaiThwei
    I guess you could...but the question is why? The Hish and the Super Predators are both rather lame concepts, but the Hish are even worse IMO. If they decide to use the Super Predators, I'd prefer that they don't try to write them as Hish. Why mix up the two concepts? Writing the Super Predators as Hish wouldn't improve the Super Predators, it would make them even more lame

    Oh I agree that both are lame concepts and I would rather they didn't exist at all, but I also don't like the idea of the Super Predators being labeled as Yautja when the movie suggest that they are something similar along the lines to what a Romulan is to a Vulcan. So if you ask me, they shouldn't be labeled as Yautja at all.
  18. happypred
    However the Super Predators are supposed to be a cousin race or species to the traditional Predators. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to write the Hish as the Super Predators
    I guess you could...but the question is why? The Hish and the Super Predators are both rather lame concepts, but the Hish are even worse IMO. If they decide to use the Super Predators, I'd prefer that they don't try to write them as Hish. Why mix up the two concepts? Writing the Super Predators as Hish wouldn't improve the Super Predators, it would make them even more lame 
  19. RakaiThwei
    I like neither the Hish concept nor the Super Predator concept...but if I had keep one, I'd prefer Super Predators to Hish. Of course, my first choice would be to have neither. Yautja and Bad Bloods is what I've always been fond of.   

    I don't like the Hish or the Super Predator concept neither, so I agree with you there. However the Super Predators are supposed to be a cousin race or species to the traditional Predators. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to write the Hish as the Super Predators, and suggest that the Yautja and the Hish descended from a common ancestor but one branched off the other. This could also explain the cultural differences and the different hunting practices. Thinking about it now, the Dog and Wolf analogy isn't that too far off but neither would be comparing Chimpanzees to Banobos. Chimpanzees sort of have cultural differences to Banobos.. Chimps are aggressive and violent, and use violence to sort out pack issues where as Banobos believe in making love, not war to solve their problems.

    It sounds like this new series will probably stick to the "original movie predators". I've always felt like Yaujta are a solid expansion of the predator mythos based on the clan in Predator 2. I can only hope that this reboot keeps some elements of the nomadic, clan-based Yautja who hunt for both sport and honour. Aside from Steve Perry's Yautja, I thought Jeff Vandermeer's version of the predators in South China Sea was quite good.     

    What would make me either pass these books, or read them is if they write the "original" Predators as they were depicted in the first two films, but I wouldn't really like it if they were using the attack dogs in the hunt. I mean previous material suggested that the traditional hunters abhor the idea of using attack dogs, as seen in Three World War and even Evolution. So I would have problems with the traditional Predators using the attack dogs. I really hope those things we saw aren't hell-hounds, and given the look of the anatomy as they have six legs and different bodily build.. I don't think they are but.. I can't be too sure.
  20. Xenomrph
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    No arguments, but I want to hear somethings from the writers themselves. Any wrong in that?
    Certainly not. :)

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    Unpopular opinion, but I thought Rebellion did that quite beautifully. I loved AvP2010. I would go as even far as to say that might as well have been the third AvP installment in continuity with the AvP movies.
    I don't disagree there.

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    I don't think that they really so much as care about maintaining the reminder of two less than well received films. Granted I liked the AvPs, again another unpopular opinion but if anything merchandise is really meant to hook in the fans, reel them in and grab them for whatever cash that they can really dish out to obtain said items. Fans collect, for one reason for another.. Either way, Fox and the partners ends up getting the profits. It's about the money as far as merchandise is concerned.
    I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it also doesn't really change anything I'd said. :P
  21. happypred
    The Hish concept, as... awful as that pill was to swallow could still be used in Predator novels or such. Just write the Super Predators as Hish and the regular Predators as Yautja, there you go.

    I like neither the Hish concept nor the Super Predator concept...but if I had keep one, I'd prefer Super Predators to Hish. Of course, my first choice would be to have neither. Yautja and Bad Bloods is what I've always been fond of.

    It sounds like this new series will probably stick to the "original movie predators". I've always felt like Yaujta are a solid expansion of the predator mythos based on the clan in Predator 2. I can only hope that this reboot keeps some elements of the nomadic, clan-based Yautja who hunt for both sport and honour. Aside from Steve Perry's Yautja, I thought Jeff Vandermeer's version of the predators in South China Sea was quite good.     

     
  22. RakaiThwei
    Dark Horse doesn't need to be an authority in order to say what FOX thinks. :P At least, it hasn't stopped them in the past.

    No arguments, but I want to hear somethings from the writers themselves. Any wrong in that?

    AvP2010 referenced 'AvP' because Rebellion thought it would help their story.

    Unpopular opinion, but I thought Rebellion did that quite beautifully. I loved AvP2010. I would go as even far as to say that might as well have been the third AvP installment in continuity with the AvP movies.

    It's also something that keeps a franchise in the public consciousness and reminds people that something exists. If FOX didn't want people remembering the AvP movies and all the things in them, why would they keep authorizing things from it and keep reminding people of something they want everyone to forget or ignore?

    I don't think that they really so much as care about maintaining the reminder of two less than well received films. Granted I liked the AvPs, again another unpopular opinion but if anything merchandise is really meant to hook in the fans, reel them in and grab them for whatever cash that they can really dish out to obtain said items. Fans collect, for one reason for another.. Either way, Fox and the partners ends up getting the profits. It's about the money as far as merchandise is concerned.

    Compare it to, say, the Hish concept - evidently FOX literally told other EU writers to outright not reference the Hish concept. That could mean it's been retconned out of existence per FOX, but who knows?

    The Hish concept, as... awful as that pill was to swallow could still be used in Predator novels or such. Just write the Super Predators as Hish and the regular Predators as Yautja, there you go.
  23. Xenomrph
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    But I think we'll get something along the lines: "We're not an authority on what's canon or isn't" in regards to that question.
    Dark Horse doesn't need to be an authority in order to say what FOX thinks. :P At least, it hasn't stopped them in the past.

    The point is that just because one writer chooses to not incorporate a plot element from a source doesn't mean that source "isn't canon" anymore in the grand scheme of things - it just means that one writer is choosing not to let that source color the story they want to tell.
    Case in point: the upcoming Predator comics not having Super-Predators, or 'Predators' not directly referencing the plots of the AvP movies, or the writers of the upcoming comics saying they weren't going to reference the old comics. That doesn't mean that stuff "isn't canon", just that the writers aren't saddling the new stuff with that baggage because it doesn't help them tell the story they want to tell.
    AvP2010 referenced 'AvP' because Rebellion thought it would help their story.

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    I don't see how merchandise has any bearing on the canon or storyline of the franchise. Merchandise is something which fans buy to add to their collection.
    It's also something that keeps a franchise in the public consciousness and reminds people that something exists. If FOX didn't want people remembering the AvP movies and all the things in them, why would they keep authorizing things from it and keep reminding people of something they want everyone to forget or ignore?

    Compare it to, say, the Hish concept - evidently FOX literally told other EU writers to outright not reference the Hish concept. That could mean it's been retconned out of existence per FOX, but who knows?
  24. RakaiThwei
    Call it an educated guess based on past behavior. :)

    Ask the creators, I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

    Well LeonardoDaTurtle over at AliensvsPredator.net's Fan Q&A asked Dark Horse on what Fox's stance is on AvP and their canonicity. So hopefully, we might get an answer on that. But I think we'll get something along the lines: "We're not an authority on what's canon or isn't" in regards to that question. Long shot to get an answer but hopefully we'll get an answer regarding that.

    We're still getting prop replicas and other merchandise from the AvP movies to this day (S.H. Monsterarts just did the 'AvP' Alien and 'AvPR' Wolf, Sideshow recently did a mask from 'AvP', the 'AvP' Alien designs are showing up in the AvP miniatures game, and NECA has the 'AvP' figures in the pipeline). If they're intending to ignore the AvP films wholesale, they're doing a pretty garbage job of it. :P

    I don't see how merchandise has any bearing on the canon or storyline of the franchise. Merchandise is something which fans buy to add to their collection.. I'm sure there are many non-canonical characters in various franchises who have gotten toys and figures. But again, I don't see toys as having any real bearing whatsoever.
  25. Xenomrph
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    Can I ask how do you know this?
    Call it an educated guess based on past behavior. :)

    Ask the creators, I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

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    Explain "recently".

    And how do you know Fox is still supportive of the AvP films in other media? The last ones were AvP2010 and Evolution but Evolution only had the temples, not so much Karl Bishop Weyland or any mention of Charles.
    We're still getting prop replicas and other merchandise from the AvP movies to this day (S.H. Monsterarts just did the 'AvP' Alien and 'AvPR' Wolf, Sideshow recently did a mask from 'AvP', the 'AvP' Alien designs are showing up in the AvP miniatures game, and NECA has the 'AvP' figures in the pipeline). If they're intending to ignore the AvP films wholesale, they're doing a pretty garbage job of it. :P
  26. RakaiThwei
    I wish they had revealed a bit more, but I'm not surprised that they didn't. I think they're being so secretive not just to avoid spoiling things , but also because they fear that Fox will force further changes, and DH doesn't want to be in the position of promising things that don't pan out.

    I am glad that they are now accepting fan questions over at AliensvsPredator.net. Cause I asked maybe a couple and I hope that they answer them. Their answers will decide if I will buy the comics or just jump ship.
  27. Ultramorph
    I wish they had revealed a bit more, but I'm not surprised that they didn't. I think they're being so secretive not just to avoid spoiling things , but also because they fear that Fox will force further changes, and DH doesn't want to be in the position of promising things that don't pan out.
  28. RakaiThwei
    The authors are choosing to for the purposes of the story they want to tell, that doesn't mean it's "not canon" in the grand scheme of things.

    Can I ask how do you know this?

    I'm very confident it was a personal choice. FOX has been quite supportive of the AvP films in other media very recently.

    Explain "recently".

    And how do you know Fox is still supportive of the AvP films in other media? The last ones were AvP2010 and Evolution but Evolution only had the temples, not so much Karl Bishop Weyland or any mention of Charles.

    That's what made it extra hilarious to me when people would complain about "strict continuity" and how the EU "violated" it.
    As if the movies were much better. :P

    Hence why I'm a fan of "fuzzy continuity" (and I assume why others like a "multiverse" idea).

    Some of us would like a clear and strict continuity like Star Wars. But obviously we are never, ever so much as going to get that. I was surprised that Scott Allie had outright stated that the films didn't even match up very cleanly. Or to some, not very neatly. As for the multiverse idea... well... I like the idea of it but so far... that idea seemed to be shot down when they decided to shoe-horn this into the overall EU, which is something that I don't agree with.
  29. Xenomrph
    So just for my understanding... theyre taking the first three alien films, Predator 1-3, Prometheus and Alien Isolation; wrapping them all into one canon universe?
    Among other things (e.g.: everything else you didn't list).


    Except they are ignoring AVP & AVP:R.
    And likely the rest of the dumb shit.
    The authors are choosing to for the purposes of the story they want to tell, that doesn't mean it's "not canon" in the grand scheme of things.

    I wonder if the decision to ignore the AvP films was either a personal decision by the writers or mandated by Fox.
    I'm very confident it was a personal choice. FOX has been quite supportive of the AvP films in other media very recently.

    Scott Allie is more focused on earliest movies, says even all the movies don't really fit in a single neat line.

    No disputing that. Absolutely no disputing that.
    That's what made it extra hilarious to me when people would complain about "strict continuity" and how the EU "violated" it.
    As if the movies were much better. :P
    Hence why I'm a fan of "fuzzy continuity" (and I assume why others like a "multiverse" idea).
  30. RakaiThwei
    Well.. I was hoping that chat questions would be answered but... much to my disappointment, no.

    So what did we learn? Apparently, the female lead in this is Angela. And that some battles will be fought in space.
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