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  1. red_otter
    Quote from: Zenzucht on Apr 14, 2012, 02:49:10 PM
    It's perhaps a matter of various statements during different stages of principal photography, but I am slightly confused.

    I remember Ridley saying that they shot first 14-15 minutes of movie, so called "The Beginning of time" sequence like 2001, on Iceland. They apparently shot some LV-223 exteriors there as well (there were some photos of the props from the set, right?) and in Q&A video above, he also says there is 5 to 6 minutes of David walking through the ship, busy with some android/butler business.

    Therefore, Prometheus won't be classic three act movie? I mean, Overture: "The Beginning of Time", "The Prometheus", "The Temple", "Stealing the Fire", "The Punishment from the God(s)", "Coda (Alien DNA)", credits, David disco medley from the two years on Prometheus?

    And second thing.. It seems to me that nobody from the interviewers/press didn't make any review of so far answered things and they keep asking about the same stuff & stuff they obviously can't speak about in order to keep the secrecy until the release.. "Fortunately", Ridley doesn't hesitate to f-bomb anybody :D

    Very, very few films (even or perhaps especially classic ones) actually fall into the three-act structure. 4 or 5 acts is actually much more common. Also, your titles sound a little 2001-esque, although maybe that's appropriate given the themes of the film!
  2. fiveways
    Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 15, 2012, 01:58:55 PM
    Hopefully they'll release it as an 18's in Europe. Being in my mid 20s I don't fancy paying for something that's been watered down for 13 year olds.

    If that happens, which i seriously doubt, it would only be in countries with a late release.  the countries getting it on the 1st are getting the same version as the USA.  Any changes and they will shoot themselves in the foot as that encourages downloading.
  3. Snowdog
    with the 17 minutes i think he was talking about Legend. He stated before he hated how the test screenings went with that movie and that he stupidly decided to cut a lot out of the movie.
  4. Ratchetcomand
    I just hope the film can still be dark and good with a PG-13 rating. It seems like Fox hopes that this movie will bring back it's budget domestically then worldwide. Studios seem to look at the US box office then they do overseas.
  5. fiveways
    alien resurrection doesn't really help that reputation....

    Wish the budget and then with ad budget, it has to be PG-13.  They are spending a lot of this film. 

    Plus, Ridley's last couple movies didn't fair so well at the box office.
  6. OpenMaw
    Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Apr 14, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
    I don't know why studios think R rated movies don't well when Terminator 3, all three Matrix movies, The Hangover films and 300 did just fine?

    Prometheus is a new name. WE know it's an alien movie, but the name itself will mean nothing to a general audience beyond the marginal power of worth-of-mouth. Not to mention "Alien" has a bit of stigma thanks to the AVP films, it's not as easy a sell as you might think for some.

    300 was a comic book before it was a film. That's a built in fanbase.
    Terminator 3 is a sequel to a HUGELY successful set of movies. The audience was there.
    Hangover's a comedy - It costs far less to make then something such as this, which is an FX spectacle.

    You have to look at how much the film cost to make. Most of those films didn't cost near as much as Prometheus did. This is a HUGE movie with a rather large budget. They have to make that back, not only to recoup the costs and turn a profit, but to also justify a sequel if there is going to be one.
  7. Zenzucht
    Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Apr 14, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
    I don't know why studios think R rated movies don't well when Terminator 3, all three Matrix movies, The Hangover films and 300 did just fine?

    Terminator 3 was the third movie of already very successful franchise.

    Before The Wachowskis made The Matrix, they did another movie to prove they are able to direct a serious production & The Matrix was produced by Joel Silver, already a big name in the business..
  8. Ratchetcomand
    I don't know why studios think R rated movies don't well when Terminator 3, all three Matrix movies, The Hangover films and 300 did just fine?
  9. Zenzucht
    It's perhaps a matter of various statements during different stages of principal photography, but I am slightly confused.

    I remember Ridley saying that they shot first 14-15 minutes of movie, so called "The Beginning of time" sequence like 2001, on Iceland. They apparently shot some LV-223 exteriors there as well (there were some photos of the props from the set, right?) and in Q&A video above, he also says there is 5 to 6 minutes of David walking through the ship, busy with some android/butler business.

    Therefore, Prometheus won't be classic three act movie? I mean, Overture: "The Beginning of Time", "The Prometheus", "The Temple", "Stealing the Fire", "The Punishment from the God(s)", "Coda (Alien DNA)", credits, David disco medley from the two years on Prometheus?

    And second thing.. It seems to me that nobody from the interviewers/press didn't make any review of so far answered things and they keep asking about the same stuff & stuff they obviously can't speak about in order to keep the secrecy until the release.. "Fortunately", Ridley doesn't hesitate to f-bomb anybody :D
  10. fiveways
    Quote from: Eva on Apr 13, 2012, 07:00:57 PM
    Quote from: gooner_no1 on Apr 13, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
    None whatsoever.

    1. There won't be an alternative version with an extra 17 minutes; this is due to misreporting what Scott said in Paris, he was referring to another film which he'd restored 17 minutes to later on, but said that his cut on Prometheus is pretty much final.

    2. The author of that "article" is simply extrapolating based on that false piece of information.

    Right - thx for clearing that up. I don't speak French, so...  :P

    And from a US release point of view that would be box office suicide.  If they released the movie a week later and 17 minutes shorter in the states it would tank.  People would download the "real" version of it and f**k going to see it in the theatre.  Most of this forum would be doing that.  That would kill profits even more then a "R" rating.
  11. Michael Harper
    Quote from: Zenzucht on Apr 13, 2012, 09:57:09 PM
    Quote from: Eva on Apr 13, 2012, 07:00:57 PM
    Quote from: gooner_no1 on Apr 13, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
    None whatsoever.

    1. There won't be an alternative version with an extra 17 minutes; this is due to misreporting what Scott said in Paris, he was referring to another film which he'd restored 17 minutes to later on, but said that his cut on Prometheus is pretty much final.

    2. The author of that "article" is simply extrapolating based on that false piece of information.

    Right - thx for clearing that up. I don't speak French, so...  :P

    I am definitely for the 119min movie, I don't mind faster narrative. I think it's a matter of how experienced movie aficionado watches the movie.

    Anyway, it's interesting that some of the recent Ridley's movies have around + - 10 minutes in extended versions:

    Theatrical/extended:

    Robin Hood: 140min/156min
    American Gangster: 157min/176min
    Kingdom of Heaven: 144min/190min
    Black Hawk Down: 144min/152min
    Gladiator: 155min/171min

    If it will be 30 minutes of sequences/shots with Prometheus/Derelict class ship drifting through space, I will be happy :)

    30 minutes of David walking around the Prometheus! :P
  12. Zenzucht
    Quote from: Eva on Apr 13, 2012, 07:00:57 PM
    Quote from: gooner_no1 on Apr 13, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
    None whatsoever.

    1. There won't be an alternative version with an extra 17 minutes; this is due to misreporting what Scott said in Paris, he was referring to another film which he'd restored 17 minutes to later on, but said that his cut on Prometheus is pretty much final.

    2. The author of that "article" is simply extrapolating based on that false piece of information.

    Right - thx for clearing that up. I don't speak French, so...  :P

    I am definitely for the 119min movie, I don't mind faster narrative. I think it's a matter of how experienced movie aficionado watches the movie.

    Anyway, it's interesting that some of the recent Ridley's movies have around + - 10 minutes in extended versions:

    Theatrical/extended:

    Robin Hood: 140min/156min
    American Gangster: 157min/176min
    Kingdom of Heaven: 144min/190min
    Black Hawk Down: 144min/152min
    Gladiator: 155min/171min

    If it will be 30 minutes of sequences/shots with Prometheus/Derelict class ship drifting through space, I will be happy :)
  13. Eva
    Quote from: gooner_no1 on Apr 13, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
    None whatsoever.

    1. There won't be an alternative version with an extra 17 minutes; this is due to misreporting what Scott said in Paris, he was referring to another film which he'd restored 17 minutes to later on, but said that his cut on Prometheus is pretty much final.

    2. The author of that "article" is simply extrapolating based on that false piece of information.

    Right - thx for clearing that up. I don't speak French, so...  :P
  14. gooner_no1
    Quotehttp://www.scriptflags.com/2012/04/prometheus-multiple-running-times.html

    Any credibility to this story?

    None whatsoever.

    1. There won't be an alternative version with an extra 17 minutes; this is due to misreporting what Scott said in Paris, he was referring to another film which he'd restored 17 minutes to later on, but said that his cut on Prometheus is pretty much final.

    2. The author of that "article" is simply extrapolating based on that false piece of information.
  15. Eva
    Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere - it's hard to keep track where posters inform of rating issues, but I discovered this interesting tidbit:

    QuoteDirector Ridley Scott & the cast of Prometheus recenty took part in a multitude of Q&A press sessions for the movie in & a recording of the Paris event has emerged online [in French]. During the event it was also revealed that the movies run-time will be 1 hour & 59 minutes but there will also be an extended cut with an additional 17 minutes of footage. This is currently a very contentious issue with the fanbase & seems to imply that the shorter version is a PG-13 rating while the extended version is for an R rating & from what I am hearing the R-rating will be screened as the European threatrical release while the US will suffer the PG-13.

    http://www.scriptflags.com/2012/04/prometheus-multiple-running-times.html

    Any credibility to this story?
  16. NGR01
    This not hate but objectivity.
    Scott has never been an author he's a solid and gifted director who wants to fill seats.
    He's an artist with a strong businessman side.
    It's an insult.
  17. Valaquen
    Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 13, 2012, 12:46:34 PM
    Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 13, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
    ... since the 70's Scott has said he's a businessman, and makes movies for mass audiences and money.

    I posted yesterday that he's been a sell out since 82' (Blade Runner). And I'm holding to that. Probably why so many of his films have been good but not exceptional.
    And he's been wanting to mass market his movies since The Duellists. He just wasn't successful. People think 'sell-outs' who fail have more artistic integrity? Even going back to the The Duellists he was derided as less of an artist and more of an ad-man.
  18. T Dog
    Anyway back on topic.

    At the heart of it, he's pretty much a sell out.

    He's 73? You would think he'd give less of a shit about pleasing the studio and just making a last stab at perfection.
    Does he relish in his legacy of a man who pleased the studio heads?  He lets them distort his vision at the end of the day.

    I suppose the problem is, he's part artist part business man part just doing a job. He referred to his movies as "just a job" during one of the q and a's. Says it all really.
  19. NGR01
    Yes he said he cut 17 minutes from one of his recent movie that damaged the story.
    He didnt want to say what movie.

    A friend journalist who had a one on one interview asked him about the lenght Scott said hewas very happy with the 119mins cut. Once the shit start to hit the fans the events unfold quickly.
    The movie is mean and lean he said. No fat.
    He did not wanted to dwell into what has been cut, what to expect for the BR.

    I'm not expecting a cut as long as KINGDOM OF HEAVEN but more like 15/20 more minutes.
    From what i know you can't cut big chunk of the story and still make it work like he did wi (th KOH.
    It will probably have to do with the tone, violence, some background( like Shaw's father scene).
  20. Michael Harper
    Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 13, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
    The 17 minutes thing was NOT in relation to Prometheus.

    I think he was either referring to Robin Hood or Kingdom of Heaven. I'm steering more towards the latter, due to the two completely opposite reactions to the Theatrical Version and the Director's Cut. I've never seen so much diverse reactions to two versions of the same film - except for maybe Blade Runner. But then again, Kingdom of Heaven had about 45 minutes of additional footage, when Robin Hood did in-fact have about 17 minutes. But seeing as Ridley forgot Yaphet Kotto's name, I don't think it's outside the realm of extreme possibility that he made have simply gotten mixed up with which film had the specific amount of minutes cut.

    Has anybody else noticed that Ridley's hearing seems to be going! Everyone of these on-stage interviews he's done for Prometheus he's had hearing difficulties and blames anything but his own hearing, haha.
  21. Kol
    i reconsidered my thinkings 'bout the run time... and i came to one conclusion: the 2 hours only will affect largely on the first screening (when you see the movie for the first time), a bit disappointing not spending 3-4 hours in the universe of prometheus.

    but when prometheus becomes our favourite movie (of all time) and we'll watch it once in a week, when released on dvd, the 2 hours (+ 17 min) will be en0ugh, i think/hope.

    even aliens special edition became a bit too long in those years. but i won't dare watching the theatrical cut once of aliens.
  22. Divpax
    I don't really care in the slightest about the rating. What I do care about is the run time and if it has been heavily cut. Small shots of blood being cut out is fine but once you start messing with the run time by 20-30 minutes then we will have an underdeveloped and confusing mess like the theatrical cut of Alien 3, and we don't want that do we?
  23. Zeta Reticuli
    Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 13, 2012, 05:25:50 AM
    Not exactly off topic but here's a few things maybe someone could explain for me!!

    ...though please excuse a little ranting first...

    I recently saw a movie called The Hunger Games, recommended to me by friends after reading the book, so I was dragged along too. It wasn't exactly a bad film, just so long and unnecessary on too many occassions, I almost fell asleep watching it half way through,lol. But here's the thing! That movie is 142 minutes long, rated a 12a here in UK (the equivalent of PG-13 in the States), but there wasn't one time in the first week (except the really late showings) the queue to see it wasn't right round my local cinema, so clearly the length of a PG-13 film doesn't necessarily affect its popularity, yet it doesn't appear anyone at FOX nor Riddles himself, gave this any thought with their puny 119 minute effort.

    So why is this movie really finding it so hard to get a PG-13 rating, while Scott continues to lay the blame firmly with the MPAA (for reasons I'm curious about), and Rothman is quite happy defending everything because he knows he can't lose, I shudder to think what's going on behind the scenes. Like most films, I assume an uncut verson of Prometheus was made anywhere up to 180 minutes long, most of which would have been cut by the director and his assistant several times over before the MPAA sees anything, mostly unwanted material, resulting in a final cut for them to decide what needs to go in order to gain the required rating, which they still haven't done.

    Also with Prometheus it sounds like there were two seperate cuts made, an 'R' cut first for the DVD/Blu Ray, then a PG-13 cut from the same thing for the cinema release, is that right??? Anyway, reports suggest up to 17 minutes have supposedly been cut from this 'R' rated version in order to get that PG-13 the studio wanted, so one would assume the film was made with PG-13 in mind, but if that was the case what did FOX submit to the MPAA which they ended up cutting so much from before the movie even got an 'R' rating. Indeed, after all that, why is it the MPAA STILL haven't finished when, for all we know, they could realistically cut Prometheus down to 90 minutes before they are satisfied!! 

    Like I said, maybe I'm missing something here and someone else knows more about the film editing process than I do, but something tells me we're being screwed with this movie. Old Riddles is going to get his version out anyway so I doubt he's even bothered (he probably never wanted a PG-13 just like the rest of us), while those of you who prefer to pay extra for the pleasure of seeing Prometheus in 3D may lose out twice, especially if the medium doesn't do the it any justice (I've yet to see any live action movie really do 3D justice), while I suspect Rothman is laughing all the way to the bank even if this film only breaks even!!

    ...end of another rant!  lol

    the movie i'm going to see in the cinema will be a two hours teaser for the final cut that i will get a few months later.
    i will enjoy it and watch it with great anticipation for the complete uncut thing.  :P
  24. RoaryUK
    Not exactly off topic but here's a few things maybe someone could explain for me!!

    ...though please excuse a little ranting first...

    I recently saw a movie called The Hunger Games, recommended to me by friends after reading the book, so I was dragged along too. It wasn't exactly a bad film, just so long and unnecessary on too many occassions, I almost fell asleep watching it half way through,lol. But here's the thing! That movie is 142 minutes long, rated a 12a here in UK (the equivalent of PG-13 in the States), but there wasn't one time in the first week (except the really late showings) the queue to see it wasn't right round my local cinema, so clearly the length of a PG-13 film doesn't necessarily affect its popularity, yet it doesn't appear anyone at FOX nor Riddles himself, gave this any thought with their puny 119 minute effort.

    So why is this movie really finding it so hard to get a PG-13 rating, while Scott continues to lay the blame firmly with the MPAA (for reasons I'm curious about), and Rothman is quite happy defending everything because he knows he can't lose, I shudder to think what's going on behind the scenes. Like most films, I assume an uncut verson of Prometheus was made anywhere up to 180 minutes long, most of which would have been cut by the director and his assistant several times over before the MPAA sees anything, mostly unwanted material, resulting in a final cut for them to decide what needs to go in order to gain the required rating, which they still haven't done.

    Also with Prometheus it sounds like there were two seperate cuts made, an 'R' cut first for the DVD/Blu Ray, then a PG-13 cut from the same thing for the cinema release, is that right??? Anyway, reports suggest up to 17 minutes have supposedly been cut from this 'R' rated version in order to get that PG-13 the studio wanted, so one would assume the film was made with PG-13 in mind, but if that was the case what did FOX submit to the MPAA which they ended up cutting so much from before the movie even got an 'R' rating. Indeed, after all that, why is it the MPAA STILL haven't finished when, for all we know, they could realistically cut Prometheus down to 90 minutes before they are satisfied!! 

    Like I said, maybe I'm missing something here and someone else knows more about the film editing process than I do, but something tells me we're being screwed with this movie. Old Riddles is going to get his version out anyway so I doubt he's even bothered (he probably never wanted a PG-13 just like the rest of us), while those of you who prefer to pay extra for the pleasure of seeing Prometheus in 3D may lose out twice, especially if the medium doesn't do the it any justice (I've yet to see any live action movie really do 3D justice), while I suspect Rothman is laughing all the way to the bank even if this film only breaks even!!

    ...end of another rant!  lol 


  25. OpenMaw
    Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 13, 2012, 04:34:16 AM
    Where and when did the 'the derelict crashed' retconn start?

    Err... What do you mean by retcon in this case? As far as I know the idea has been brought up many times over the years and never really been agreed one way or the other. Some behind the scenes stuff has often suggested it landed there, but many fans have suggested it was a crashed ship. So I don't really think there's any major retconning going on. :)
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