There’s an interesting and frank interview with Ridley Scott over on Filmophilia who spoke to him back in July when he was filming in Iceland. There’s a few interesting points. He says that the film isn’t directly related to Alien but at the end of the third act, you’ll start to realise there’s a DNA of the first alien but not of the subsequent aliens. He then mentions what exactly Giger’s involvement was in the film. It wasn’t as extensive as we first thought and he just designed some murals for a chamber. He then theorizes what the Space Jockey creature actually is, and reiterating that it’s just a suit for something else. He talks about what Noomi brings to the film and how she compares with Sigourney Weaver. Finally, Ridley states that we won’t see the original xenomorph in the movie. Here’s the best bits:
EGE: Will you be using any of Giger’s original design for this film?
RS: We’ve had a pretty good relationship with Giger for many years. I was the first one to go see him in Switzerland, and persuade him to get on a plane. He wouldn’t get on a plane, because he was afraid of flying. And he finally came to Shepperton. He was with me for eleven months. Never went into town, stayed over a pub in Shepperton. Very non-Giger, not exotic. You’d think he’d be in a suite in a hotel. He’s in a pub. He was in a room over a pub, and he was very happy there. And yeah, I brought him in, I showed him what we were doing, showed him the story and he liked it a lot. So he’s doing a little bit of work for me. He’s been doing some murals, big murals, which we’ll see in almost one of the first chambers we encounter when we land where we’re gonna go.
EGE: Final question. I have a feeling what the answer will be, but many want to know. Will we see the original xenomorph in Prometheus?
RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!
Thanks to Darkoo for the news.
Scott and his bloody smoke machines
-Chris
and it seemed to be something that he never suffered from before
Asthma.
-Chris
Finch says that after three days he had "an extremely bad bronchile attack" whatever that is.
Mission to mars is quite retarded movie....
The only new revelation is that Finch reveals on the Blu-Ray that he wasn't quite suffering from the illness that they thought he was suffering from
It should be found in Disc Five which has the Truckers in Space Documentary
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What were we talking about, again?
Just no.
Be respectful, please. If you can't do that and keep getting sarcastic/passive-aggressive, then with respect, steps shall be taken.
and that is what everything ive seen has said.
OH REALLY?
Super glad to see you ignored the other user's post relating the discussion to go back to insulting my character and telling me to leave.
lol. but yes, PLEASE dont reply to me. I'm tired of your sass.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/196336/7_missing_performances_id_like_to_see.html
wasn't at the time a confusing between john hurt, the actor & john hurt, politician(?). and that was the reason why he wasn't allowed to go to the set in england?
on the blu-ray set it ws mentiones something like that.
Everybody's right. He was first choice and a late addition. The two aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
Yes, that was Jon Finch.
But if he took the role of Kane despite the illnes it could be more realistic(alien birth)....
well these reports are pretty useless without a source , and the Wiki comment seems to come from Beautiful Monsters which has an assortment of mistakes in it, but the writer of that book might have got it right and taken that comment from the Alien Quadrilogy documentary segment "Truckers In Space .>> casting" where John Hurt said was "I had been asked if I'd like to do Alien, but I had already committed to a South African film so that was dropped"
the difference is that i posted ideas for consideration and i got a ton of "NO THATS WRONG" with little or nothing to back it up.
the best retort ive gotten was "the whole internet is wrong, this one book is right and thats proven!"
sorry if i seem rude, like i said im a bit impatient with useless rhetoric and valequer was right, i should probably leave because contributing here is indeed childish of me. i forgot how argumentative and righteous fanboys are.
enjoy your forum. good day!
After the crap you gave me and now this...
I beginning to regret welcoming you to the thread, Mr. Know-it-all-know-nothing.
FOX only financed around 40% of Avatar (really!) and I think the rating was Cameron's aim. Avatar was called Project 880 before the title was announced, as they aimed to make a film that would encompass the 8-80 year old age gap. But yes, FOX should leave Ridley alone. This is ALIEN (oops, it isn't, but y'know!)
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Does anyone know how much of Prometheus fox is finanncing then? becuase i know Scott free productions have a hand in prometheus too, but in what context iam unsure, anyone got any ideas?
I was actually disheartened to hear that Cameron was continuing Avatar so suddenly. He had Battle Angel and a Hiroshima film on his plate, but alas.
FOX only financed around 40% of Avatar (really!) and I think the rating was Cameron's aim. Avatar was called Project 880 before the title was announced, as they aimed to make a film that would encompass the 8-80 year old age gap. But yes, FOX should leave Ridley alone. This is ALIEN (oops, it isn't, but y'know!)
prove it.
I think Avatar's success and popularity has overshadowed Cameron's work on Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, and T2, somehow. Those are very gritty films, possibly with the exception of T2, which has more polish but is no less dark and speculative [the first film was about pre-determination - but can you change your future? Should you try? Should you kill one man to save billions? Do we morally abide by deontology or consequentialism? what makes us human?] The first Terminator had all sorts of things that were hinted at or speculated which we didn't see; it had a mystery of its own, usually concerning the future war. The first half of The Abyss is quite creepy, especially the scene where they all enter the downed submarine and come across corpses and ... well, something else that is in there.
Avatar was easy, but Cameron's other sci-fi films are by no means purely summer blockbusters. They do have intellectual qualities to them, which Cameron was consistently praised for in the first half of his career. Films like Titanic and Avatar took that away from him; people were happier to roll their eyes. I'm not accusing ThisBethesdaSea of this, because I think he iterated his point very well, but a lot of Cameron criticism you see online amounts to ad hominems, and nothing else. He can be criticised but I think the ability to make an intelligent, dark sci-fi is not something he lacks.
[minor point: I thought it was interesting that Scott described Prometheus as an 'epic', that he namechecks Avatar as having raised the bar -these RS and JC guys are friends- and that there's a shot of Noomi in the teaser, pulling the throttle on a vehicle and reversing; a shot that is reminiscent of Ripley in Aliens driving the APC into the Hive.]
And what do you call things like 'GI Jane', 'Black Hawk Down' and 'Gladiator'?
Oh, but Scott is just as capable of putting in blockbusters with a superficial vibe in parts as anyone else. Just because they're well-crafted, doesn't mean they're not deliberately aimed at the blockbuster market.
Personally, I felt things like 'Kingdom Of Heaven' and 'Robin Hood' felt dull and uninteresting. They didn't engage me in their characters and Ridley Scott going for Orlando Bloom, of all people, as someone who was meant to come across as a leader of men... Ugh. No. That struck me as insane.
No, I think they've both got things in common and have, in a sense, perhaps even both learnt from one another (and don't forget Cameron's private screening of 'Avatar' was what apparently convinced Scott to make 'Prometheus' in 3D - they're definitely friends and speak to one another).
Remember, the director, himself, has said that this film is aiming to deliberately be "epic". That doesn't infers a purposeful aim at the blockbuster market, not the artistic mystery demographic.
'Aliens' was never trying to be 'Alien', but that doesn't mean to say it wasn't extremely dark and, yes, mysterious in places. The scenes of wandering through the colony and finding nothing but gaping holes caused by acid and "no bodies" comes to mind - as does visiting the nursery chamber and, later, the Queen's reveal. Then, later, when the extra scenes were added, the discovery of the derelict. Cameron knew how to play on the fears and expectations of an audience which knew, in advance, what those clues meant, without diminishing their atmospheric value.
Scott directs with a bit more abandon, he isn't as safe as Cameron is these days. Again, Prometheus deserves a sequel that's just as dangerous as the film appears to hint at. But maybe that's all just complete nonsense
To me that is absolute nonsense, Camerons films such as Terminator 1 and 2 and Aliens are grounded in reality which explore science fiction. Aliens is perfectly respectable film, which Cameron took in the logical direction with a good story, and told it well. The guy respected Scotts original and built upon it, by giving the audience the ultimate sci fi horror MORE aliens and he notched the pace up a gear too. I mean LV426 was so barren the wind blowing, colonist vehicles scattered about, doors flapping in the wind.Once inside cameron uses the element of silence and abandonment to make the viewer feel very uneasy. Where are the colonists? where are the xenomorphs? how many are there? what actually happened? The military elements of it cameron got spot on, and bishops character was very well written because cameron takes advantage of what we saw androids are capable of in alien, and he also develops Ripleys uneasiness around bishop. Cameron never overexposes the xenomorphs, he keeps the scenes tightly shot and what he done with the face huggers was great giving us a claustrophobic feel. I would love to see Cameron direct a prometheus sequel, he would take it in a different direction and give us something that would scare the living daylights out've us but also make us think. which is what he done with aliens. What your chatting about Cameron is absolute nonsense, he helped define the horror sci fi genre of the 80's with his hard work, just as Scott did with alien in 1979, and i actually prefer alien over aliens but i still acknowledge caeron is amazing, what you're saying is absolutely 'pedestrian', end of. So acknowledge cameron for the genius he is, not derogatory nonsense.
Cameron took a massive risk introducing the alien queen, so that's not safe it's very ballsy, i think you need to watch aliens again and the terminator films again and appreciate cameron for the great director he is.
I don't want to see a safe Prometheus sequel.
And don't forget, Cameron deliberately went and filmed the Jordans entering the derelict. If there had been the budget for it, I don't doubt he would have attempted to recreate the interior with just as much impressive attention to detail as he did for the shuttle (most people don't even realise Ripley's harpoon is by the door).
I completely understand what you are saying but I also think that it might be a little presumptuous too. Cameron really did expand the universe more than any other writer/director that has done so far. Whether or not that will change with Ridley's involvement in the prequel remains to be seen. One could also argue that without Aliens, Alien would be a far less recognized film because both films compliment each other so well.
To be honest, I really wouldn't be surprised if Cameron did tackle a sequel to Prometheus. It was Cameron, afterall, who inspired Ridley to go back into Sci-Fi and shoot Prometheus in 3D...after Ridley saw what Cameron had done/was doing with Avatar. It's odd but, in a way, one could argue that Prometheus already owes something of itself to James Cameron.
I think Cameron would be a good choice to make a sequel to Prometheus.
...and what's the betting neither Lambert nor Ripley had sex with him?
Weyland-Yutani was responsible for replacing Finch with Hurt a couple days before the Nostromo was set to leave for Earth ;-)
Roger Christian [Alien set designer] says Finch shot for a few days:
'he was there for the first couple of days. He was really trying, and he looked great, actually, as the character. And then he got so ill he just couldn't carry on, and Hurt just took over and Ridley didn't have to re-shoot that much; just the parts with [Finch]'
http://www.shadowlocked.com/2010030984/interviews/roger-christian-interview-part-2.html#finchkane
Frankly, yes, it does feel like a waste of time when a quick search to check your information would reveal the same results.
That is correct.
Taken from the following Alien blog:
http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html
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-wikipedia.
and with that im done. i realized i shouldnt post anything at all without backing it up, but i feel like im wasting my time when even a quick wiki search to check your information would have yielded the same results.
if anyone wishes to contend with my ideas please post sources. thank you.
actually they have done just that thing several times. not to mention the writer of the story has said...to paraphrase because im too lazy after lunch to copy paste the exact quote "this is a film about interspecies rape and taps into the male's fear of being orally raped"
dan o bannon also recommended giger for the art direction exactly for that reason. to say that there is nothing backing up my claim is to deny pretty much the entire film. lol
for a few things just off the bat the ship is called "mother" and the smaller ship detaches from the "umbilicus"
thats not counting the womb-like space jockey chamber and round womb-like area with an almost identical single person room in the "mother" console room.
then theres the inside of the ship being womb-like with soft flesh tones and no sharp edges and a nice humming sound as opposed to the ship's innards which were cold, sharp and filled with threatening sounds.
then theres the facehugger, a play on a doctor's hands grabbing a baby's head as it leaves a womb, another birth trauma point.
the alien's feminine body and penile head are so obvious they dont even need mentioning...
when ash tries to mimic the facehugger by shoving a magazine down ripley's throat she grabs at something that mimics one of those toy-dangly-things in a crib. the magazine is also a porno.
when the crew awaken from a womb-like room they are all wearing diapers...
the vaginal entrances to the derelict ship...
the xenomorph makes sounds that are eerily similar to a baby crying.
the entire film was meant to be cerebral and get in people's heads. no good director or producer explains every detail of their film, any successful work of art leaves itself intentionally vague to allow people to color in the lines of how they see it, but these are all things that work in tandem regardless of interpretation.
im actually getting bored of typing but the list goes on and on. i agree that alot of things can be speculated on as far as the film goes, which is why i enjoy it but thats all me just stating the obvious sets and motif of the film.
theres more going on as far as a religious undertone but im thats quite possibly just a coincidence and im still 'collating' about my thoughts on it. the alien was the son of the cain, which was a name chosen specifically, as well as the fact that cain was played by a man best known for his role as a drag queen in a film that was recently released before alien. also an intentional move by the director to tap into the sexual designs of the homosexual alien rape thing going on.
i could go on but im pretty sure its pointless... it certainly was not a by the numbers haunted house space film although it does have the appearance of one.
sorry for being sarcastic, i write long winded things and then get "NUH-UH" as a reply and i dont even see the point in a response at all. you have my attention, feel free to do something interesting with it. im all eyes. haha
excuse the rambling, im trying to stay awake and a bit coffeed out and kind of delirious haha