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Exclusive: More Jockey Images from Prometheus

We recently received another set of exclusive images from the set of Prometheus that look to be like the Space Jockey chair images we posted some months ago:

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  1. Dogme
    Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.
    It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.

    Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

    http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg

    Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

    -Chris
    The engineers sound like intergalctic chavs, smashing up bus stops, creating murals and starting the human race!
  2. Gash
    I got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

    The head looks Angle-European. If the Engineers were responsible for creating humans, then they must of guided own evolution to some degree. The suggestion is that they are the 'missing-link' somehow, and not for early humans, for modern humans.

    Here be dragons..

    I was recently reading through wmmvrrvrrmm's (most excellent) blog and came across this quote from Ridley:

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    ...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil,  was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.

    Maybe someone with more context on this comment can clarify (the Laserdisc edition of Alien, released in 1992?), but it sure is an intriguing statement. Unless he was totally drunk at the time. ::)

    -Chris

    Sounds like he's channeling ideas from Nigel Kneale's 'Quatermass and the Pit'. Fine with me, it's a great idea.
  3. ChrisPachi
    I got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

    The head looks Angle-European. If the Engineers were responsible for creating humans, then they must of guided own evolution to some degree. The suggestion is that they are the 'missing-link' somehow, and not for early humans, for modern humans.

    Here be dragons..

    I was recently reading through wmmvrrvrrmm's (most excellent) blog and came across this quote from Ridley:

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    ...and if the alien is really, what was it? Was it the face of the devil,  was it the face of the demon, because if you look at historical manuscripts and engravings, pictures, from wherever they come from, whether it's China, whether it's Europe, whatever the nationality, there's a kind of continuity of the idea of the perception of the demon, as there is about the dragon, right, so it's like taking off the mystical aspects of it and saying "it's nothing to do with that. It's a Mar..., no, Martian, Mars is not far away enough. It's a biological fact, it's a biological creature, and it's been here before.

    Maybe someone with more context on this comment can clarify (the Laserdisc edition of Alien, released in 1992?), but it sure is an intriguing statement. Unless he was totally drunk at the time. ::)

    -Chris
  4. Engineer1
    Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

    http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg

    Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

    -Chris

    Sounds and look perfectly right!
  5. ChrisPachi
    Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.
    It may be that the race that terraformed Earth did not intend to wait at all, but merely moved on. They may have gone dormant (I think you suggested this earlier) like the race in Dan O'Bannons origin story for Alien. The clue, whatever it is, may not have been intentional, so when the precocious humans get in their FTL star ship and land on the alien world they awaken them. Elizabeth Shaw is described as a woman of faith and a little naive, and it may be that she champions the missions, only to discover that her gods are monsters, quite literally.

    Further to the awakening idea, I have long thought that (based on the leaked SDCC images and the trailer) that the Jockey chair is actually activated by one of the crew.

    http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/apro3.jpg

    Just a guess of course, but I like the idea of a dormant ancient race being awoken, but rather than being benevolent they turn out to be down-right 'nasty'.

    -Chris

  6. BishopKind


    Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

    harlock,
    You've made some good points in your post.

    As for the time scale problem, maybe here is when the time travel issue enters on the movie scene...maybe  :)
    Though is not in my taste (I'd prefer nothing about time travel in Prometheus)... 
  7. harlock
    After thinking more on my earlier post about the Engineer being responsible for terraforming Earth I got to thinking about the plot-hole of the Giant Human head.

    So I got to thinking what if the Engineer was this "higher being and servant of the gods" and as such the gods, wanting Earth as a future domain, watch over the planet and engineer humanity, a race in the image of the gods, so they can terraform a world they know will be suitable to them, rather than creating an inhospitable world, wasting millenia of their time.

    The Engineer would be imprisoned for trying to give humanity something forbidden. Just like the Prometheus allegory Ridley alluded to in a recent interview.

    Now why a race of ancient god-like aliens would have so much interest in terraforming a planet then engineering a race in their image (one you would guess would be planned to be subservient to them and less technologically adept), watching over them and manufacturing their evolution over billions of years? The time-scale is the main thing that bothers me.

    I find it hard to believe they did this over so long purely to have a place to live on... why take so many billions of years to do this? Why not settle in once the ecosystem levelled out billions of years ago? Was Earth just a research petri dish of biological engineering (Perhaps why the Engineer is called as he is) to them?
    Did the Engineer rebelled against them, trying to save early humanity from being a slave-race to these alien gods with the gift of some advancement in technology and they got imprisoned for their efforts and so we are left to evolve and gain technology alone?

    Perhaps the gods left of their own will like in 2001 and left clues to find them when we were sufficiently advanced? Then we are to be judged of being worthy to continue to exist? Recent plot-points revealed allude to it, what with an archeological dig revealing a star-map.

    ...Maybe perhaps the gift to humanity from the Engineer was his own genes to some humans?? Then evolution helped along the way to differentiate us? That would suitably get the gods goats up enough, I'd think, putting someone elses booger into the petri dish.

    So many possibilities... any opinions?
  8. ThisBethesdaSea
    I guess because, based on all we know, or the little we know about Prometheus, deducing a big plot point like that based on some questionable damages is stretching logic. However, we are creatures of speculation to be sure. Tally ho!
  9. Engineer1
    Well Dark Knight rises was shot a lot on location, the production tried at first to prevent the leaks then they did not bother anymore. How can you stop people from taking pictures with their smart phones when you're shooting a brawl in Wall Street with hundreds of actors?
    As for the story same as Prometheus, nobody knows just guesses...
    PROMETHEUS has been shot mostly in closed sound stages or at isolated locations.
    A lot of movies get the same treatment and are hush hush (the next Neil Blombkamp for exemple ELYSIUM).
    Previous Scott's movies too...
    So PROMETHEUS has nothing special going on for that matter.
    We are just focused on this movie in particular.

    As for the new Batman movies.
    It would be a mistake to put them in the same wave of the comic book movie wave
    The thing with the Dark Knight movies is that it's more a drama action thriller set in some sort of alternate real world than comic book fantasy. Nolan followed every rules that Scott used for ALIEN or BLADE RUNNER and applied them to the super hero genre.
    If Scott did a Batman (or any superhero) movie i have no doubt it would look like Nolan's.

    Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

    Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.

    Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

    It's both i think.
    I have no doubt that the exploding ship is the derelict class Engineer's ship.
    Then you have the debris and piece of landing gear from the shoot in Iceland?
    Do the math. A human ship crashing into the Engineers ship to prevent him from reaching Earth.
    Janek last stand ;)
    And debris are flying all around, Shaw and Theron running for their lives.
  10. Gash
    Fox is so powerfull so they CAN prevent and stop leaks of set photos and trailers...This whole movie is soo secret about any detail. Something I haven't seen very long time...
    I agree. Dark Knight Rises is I think more highly anticpated, yet lotss and lots of pictures have surfaced. it only makes people want to know more.

    Dark Knight Rises? Really? Must be a genre thing, most of these comic strip/fantasy films leave me cold. To be honest I can't quite believe there are so many Batman films.

    Still I think it's great they are keeping a tight reign on info about Prometheus.
  11. ChrisPachi
    Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?
    Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.
    Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.
    It could be two completely different moments that are shown in the trailer. Firstly it shows the derelict, then people running from an massive encroaching shadow, then a shot shows that they are running from something that could be the derelict, and then the shot in question looks like something else altogether.


    The object in the last frame doesn't seem to fit with the object shown in the proceeding two.

    EDIT: There actually are some similarities


    -Chris

  12. Kol
    Just a hunch....in the leaked trailer it looks like what's firing down on the crew aren't rockets or bombs but whatever is in those urns?

    Consensus of opinion was that it's more likely just random debris raining down from the crashing ship.

    Many assumed it was an Engineer ship, but it could just as easily have been a human craft.

    i think that, too. for me the ship don't looks anyhow like the derelict kind. except for the short cut shown at the end of the trailer.
  13. psychonaut25
    As this thread progressed, I think we NEED the official trailer....With this leaked trailer it's like with UFO's...We have better and better HD cameras and phones that are HD recording capable,but when something interesting shows up, people have only the shittiest old phones around... :-[
  14. psychonaut25
    I'm not expecting Aliens type action movie at all from Prometheus, but Ridley Scott can make briliant action scenes too (Black Hawk Down)...I'm sure we will get our "action" dose in Prometheus too... ;)
  15. ChrisPachi
    Doesn't look like "wrong time, wrong place" to me at all...The crew members are holding guns in one scene..

    I just meant on that one sequence, of the astronaut running away from the big scary thing that is shooting out 'stuff'. In regards to the guns, if you look at how they are behaving it looks like a 'hands up, nobody move' kind of action, not a 'shoot the shit out of the alien monster' type action. I think these guys are the mercenaries that are listed in the cast and there is a human against human conflict as well.

    -Chris
  16. T Dog
    I mention the terraforming because Ridley said that the film deals with terraformers and Engineers in space.

    The waterfall seen from Norway also hints at a more barren Earth with water springing throughout it when we see "the start of time". You could argue this is the point when life started on Earth rather than the upspring of Homo Sapiens.

    Then you have to wonder why Jockeys are terraforming a planet. They cant just be doing it for shiz and giggles. Think how Lovecraftian it is to have a Jockey terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

    Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...

    Plus I feel the big theories Ridley mentions can be dealt with from this plotline.

    But wouldn't that mean they'd have to somehow end up a billion years in the past for that to work?
  17. ChrisPachi
    ...terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

    Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...


    I love the way you think. It could also be that the 'clue to the origins of mankind on Earth' is deliberate, a way of leading humans to the Engineers when they are sufficiently advanced enough and therefore 'ready' for whatever horrors they intend. It is a similar plot device to 2001 I know, but it's a good story arc IMO.

    ...and water on earth came from asteroids and comets who crashed on earth

    I know it's off topic, but this has been bugging me. Current scientific knowledge discounts the idea of the purely extraterrestrial origins of Earth's water and instead now suggests that a large percentage of it was already present in the material that formed the Earth, namely by the existence of hydrogen and oxygen.

    -Chris
  18. harlock
    I mention the terraforming because Ridley said that the film deals with terraformers and Engineers in space.

    The waterfall seen from Norway also hints at a more barren Earth with water springing throughout it when we see "the start of time". You could argue this is the point when life started on Earth rather than the upspring of Homo Sapiens.

    Then you have to wonder why Jockeys are terraforming a planet. They cant just be doing it for shiz and giggles. Think how Lovecraftian it is to have a Jockey terraform the planet for themselves (then something happens that they get stuck somewhere in space while waiting for the results) only for us to come along and awaken them, a by-product of the initial terraforming.

    Thats where I see the desperate battle for humanity's survival coming in, because now the Engineer is free and knows his planet is habitable for himself. A little genetic cleansing and he can move in...

    Plus I feel the big theories Ridley mentions can be dealt with from this plotline.
  19. Mustangjeff
    The earth has gone through so many exctintion events that you could enter the Space Jockeys at any point in a story and make them the cause.  It just depends on how "ancient" you want the race to be.  Maybe they saw Dinosaurs as an evolutionary dead end and released the Xenos on them (Xeno Dinosaurs would be something to see!).  Or, maybe they just decided to nudge that comet into the earth and come back later to check on the results.  That would certianly count as terraforming (like using a maul to tap in finishing nails but sometimes you just break out the big hammer).

    Maybe they decided the Neanderthal species was a dead-end and used some ampule goo to modify them into Homo sapiens back about 200K years ago?  The options are endless  ;)
  20. zuzuki
    I see them as being terraformers and probably an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

    People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

    Be interesting to see what the Jockey(s) will do. If they filmed at a waterfall, I assume they somehow get our waterworks going, which will of course hold all the genetic material that the plants and animals will evolve from.

    or they don't have anything to do with life in general and terraforming on earth.maybe they just created or engineered us. to say they terraformed the planet and created all lfe it means we will see our planet billions of years in the past and i don't think they will do that.plus humans only developed a few million years ago.so i doubt they terraformed the planet,created all kinds of live,then returned billions on hundreds of millions years after to put us on the map.

    just a thought.

    and water on earth came from asteroids and comets who crashed on earth
  21. ChrisPachi
    People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

    My understanding is that water came from the earth as a by product of the atmospheres formation, not from comets from space.

    ...an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

    That's a good theory.

    -Chris
  22. harlock
    I see them as being terraformers and probably an ampule held the primordial soup that was within the water that developed on our planet when its atmosphere began to settle down.

    People tend to not realise for a fair time the Earth was a barren rock without an atmosphere even, it is thanks to its gravity that (put very simply) it managed to pull in enough ice clusters from space and it was at the right heat to get build-ups of water, which led to an atmosphere being created.

    Be interesting to see what the Jockey(s) will do. If they filmed at a waterfall, I assume they somehow get our waterworks going, which will of course hold all the genetic material that the plants and animals will evolve from.
  23. ChrisPachi
    Or is this movie going to entirely dismiss the concepts of primitive human ape ancestors, cavemen, and dinosaurs?

    I guess you could have a story that has the Space Jockeys as life seeders, not necessarily creators. Like giant alien bees, traveling about the galaxy planting life on suitable planets. This puts the creation furphy aside and leaves evolution and everything that we know about the origins of life on earth intact, for the most part. It seems to fit with some of the rhetoric about the film as well.

    -Chris
  24. MrSpaceJockey
    Evolution. 

    Or is this movie going to entirely dismiss the concepts of primitive human ape ancestors, cavemen, and dinosaurs?

    Just because jockeys are a bunch of lab-geeks creating species doesn't mean they don't use scientific methods.
  25. aliennaire
    ... all I know is in Prometheus (the myth) god created man in his own image, which POSSIBLY points to the Space Jockey being humanoid at least...

    In the myth of Prometheus, the eponymous semi-god (if memory serves me right) poaches the fire and imparts it to the mankind, but none initiative is let go unpunished, so his liver is eaten out on the daily basis, hence the myth is not creating of man. And as we all have not seen the movie yet, Prometheus' lot (punished by higher beings) can be associated with E. Shaw's scientific crew, as well as with mysterious creatures aka Space Jockeys, subsequently SJ can be just another extraterrestial race, which is created by the same higher beings, who initiated life on Earth.

    The point is it's senseless to make any inferrences whithout having watched the movie itself (and distorting ancient Greek mythology to boot)  :)
  26. atlantis
    No... I meant let the Alien world stay Alien...as we all learned to love it...That's the reason I love Alien('79).. It was a unknowen species...superiour to us...The same with SJ...Unknown and mYsterious...I am convinced, if in Alien('79) the camera had zoomed in the coridor the eggs whare stored..and had shown a big Human head...all the magic was gone..and the movie had never reached the fame it has till date ..

    For me...

    Alien ( 1979) is the top...

    When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

    I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

    Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

    I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

    Regards: Atlantis


    Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.
  27. RoaryUK
    For me...

    Alien ( 1979) is the top...

    When Aliens came out, I liked it..till I saw the first aliens... how simple they where killed..The whole magic and mystery was gone...and That Alien Queen thing..turned the Alien in insect like creatures..so pitty...

    I don't even mention the other movies what followed...

    Prometheus: I hate to see that human head..this head only distroying the complete mystery of the Alien and SJ universe for me...

    I will go watch the movie when it comes out... And I really really hope, that the giant head was just a promotion stunt, to trick us in the wrong direction of how this movie will be ..

    Regards: Atlantis


    Ok so you don't like how Prometheus is implying that SJ's created humans because it is not backed by real world science? This is a movie, not a documentary or educational programming lol. I think science fictions movies are allowed to ignore reality, especially a movie like this.

    I read his post and i don't see how you got the "because its not backed by world science". He was saying the space jockey creating us and the xeno destroys the mystery for him. Can you point to me where he implyed that he didn't like it due to it not being backed by real world science?

    I'm not too keen on the idea of what the sculpture MIGHT mean either, all I know is in Prometheus (the myth) god created man in his own image, which POSSIBLY points to the Space Jockey being humanoid at least, we'll just have to see how it plays out.  It's worth mentioning though, many scientific quarters in the real world believe there's a fair chance we originated from somewhere else, that we're a product of some advanced form of humanity somewhere out there.

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    You can still see the wires on the Drop Ship from Aliens in various shots, does it spoil the film... of course not!!

    1) No one suggested the wires in Blade Runner spoiled the film and 2) you have to look for the dropship wires - they're not in your face like the spinner.

    As I understood it you were talking about how the effect stood out, and I my point was "who cares!"  I guess it did bother Riddles because he went in and scrubbed them out on Blade Runner, yet I hardly noticed anyway.  And even though wires are even MORE visible in the Blu-Ray version of Aliens Cameron left them in, because it didn't matter...that's all I'm saying!
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